blan89 159 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 amusingly some of the people that own modern day english bulldogs actually think that they'd be capable of taking on a bull! No offence but many AB & pit owners suffer the same delusion. I own a 95lb male AB who would have loved nothing better than having a go at the bull the local farmer put in the field next to the cottage i used to have in Somerset. I would have given the dog less than 30 seconds, this bull was close to half a ton, its head was at 6' high and the f*****g thing used to ram the farmers landy when it didnt want to be moved....english bulldogs ffs....they couldnt jump up to its hocks.... i seen a video of a little shit eatin pet ebt grabbing hold of a bull with no difficulty,then it jacked. do you not think a real bulldog could hold one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 seen this clip...dog did well to distract the bull so owner could get away but I just don't believe that any dog could get the better of a bull of that size. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f9CtnF5grM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fcuktheban 140 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 The dogs aim for the face which gives them a lot of control that's the same reason why they put a ring through a bulls nose. Just like a ferret aims for the rabbits eyes. It's instinct but the dog would have to be in very good shape to do any damage. In bull baiting the bulls were tethered so it wasn't a fair fight. Keeping low to the ground was helpful for the dog and the bulls naturally lower their head to see the dogs and aim for them. http://www.bulldoginformation.com/bull-baiting.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,969 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 The dogs aim for the face which gives them a lot of control that's the same reason why they put a ring through a bulls nose. Just like a ferret aims for the rabbits eyes. It's instinct but the dog would have to be in very good shape to do any damage. In bull baiting the bulls were tethered so it wasn't a fair fight. Keeping low to the ground was helpful for the dog and the bulls naturally lower their head to see the dogs and aim for them. http://www.bulldogin...ll-baiting.html good read that, what they used back then, i reackon was more like a APBT than any other breed. If you look back at the old bulldogs, alot looked alot like some of the big pits that pop up today. Some of the(reid) were big dogs 22in 65lb, and quite bulldog looking, we had a big bitch years ago similar to the above size and bully looking. Some say the ABD is like the old bulldog but i dont think as they are to big, like it said they went from mastiff type dog, for more quicker+strong+ smaller dog with tons of tenacity, and to me the only dog i can think of is well bred APBT. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bulldogman 55 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 amusingly some of the people that own modern day english bulldogs actually think that they'd be capable of taking on a bull! No offence but many AB & pit owners suffer the same delusion. I own a 95lb male AB who would have loved nothing better than having a go at the bull the local farmer put in the field next to the cottage i used to have in Somerset. I would have given the dog less than 30 seconds, this bull was close to half a ton, its head was at 6' high and the f*****g thing used to ram the farmers landy when it didnt want to be moved....english bulldogs ffs....they couldnt jump up to its hocks.... i seen a video of a little shit eatin pet ebt grabbing hold of a bull with no difficulty,then it jacked. do you not think a real bulldog could hold one? Depends on the breed of the bull, the thing this farmer used could roll a landy if it felt inclinded to so i would reckon a team of good bulldogs/pits would be needed. Most old type bullbaiting accounts would concur bulls were tethered and even then multiple dogs could be lost.....the dog may grip and hold but bulls could push the dog into the ground even with a nose hold.... If i was going to match anything to a bull it would have to be a smaller bulldog or an apbt....dont think anything else could have the power and manvourability, plus the brains......on no scrub the bulldog...lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unlacedgecko 1,466 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 I don't know anything about bull dogs or bull baiting, but most cattle herding dogs (ACD etc) are small, agile and quick. I can remember as a lad watching a pair of farm collies take it in turns to bait a large continental beef bull. This animal was 1500kgs plus. He was loose in a hemmel with a feed passage 3ft above. The dogs would take it in turns to jump down and rag on his head. He was trying to smash them against the wall or the floor. When he cornered one dog the other would nip at his hocks to turn him. The dogs were swapping every 10-15 seconds. These dogs were farm collies, probs about 24" tts and 60lbs. There was no one urging on these dogs, they were doing it for their own sport. If it had been one dog, or the wall been too high for the dogs to jump up, they would very quickly have been bloody ruin. This was a good 15 years ago so I could be mis-remembering. For a more recent photographed example, look up the two cur bred pit dogs which attacked a stock bull during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Compare this bull to the old drawings of English bull baiting. They look quite similar. http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/3952/ According to the article the dogs probs would have won had a passing soldier not shot them. It would be interesting (but totally inhumane and illegal) to see a pair of dogs of various breeds on bulls today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bulldogman 55 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) soldier should have shot the bull..if memory serves me right these pits hadn't eaten for over a week.... There is a tendancy to breed bigger and bigger bulldogs, even AB's appear to be getting bigger but most lose the working ability the larger they get. There have always been freakishly large apbt's and ab's but they were rarities and provided they could work people would use them in breeding programmes. The problem has been that some people have centred on size alone as a sales ploy and hence the wrecks seen at the start of the thread. Any dog over 85lb is going to struggle to work properly, my own male is 95lb and for me thats a little too big, he has thrown larger but fortunately his largest son can run 16m to pub and back in summer heat so he has good wind.... I admit I would like to see such a match...obviously born in the wrong era...lol Edited August 25, 2011 by Bulldogman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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