record keeping

[Greek Phil 5]

Davie

 

You have been banned off more sites than most. Some have banned you mpore than once under different monica's Longshot, SLDG, SLD, 6 Pointer, Wireviz to name but a few. I believe your latest ban was for abusing posters both on site and via the sites PM facility. A very familar modus operandi where you are concerned. I have no need to belittle people they do so quite adequate all on their own.

 

But i will say again and i thought the post was relevant that the keeping of records should remain with people who have there own areas of ground on which to manage deer. If you are an invited guest or if you only have a small area on which to shoot a few deer then record keeping is some what foolish and it is actually detrimental to the deer sector.

 

How can any form of record keeping be foolish or detrimental? Unless it might be used as evidence against you in a court of law?

 

i have been invited down anytime.

 

Here comes Pinocchio

Edited August 28, 2011 by Greek Phil

[Greek Phil 5]

Dan i run a deer group with 20 + members and most like to keep a wee record of there outing but the BP guides referring to Official Record keeping which will be law in the near future need to be submitted.Now if every one from the group kept records of deer shot or culled on there ground . I am sure it would lead to many a double count and this would then reflect in the figures given out of deer in our area. So for me if you don't have ground or if you ponce it from others leave it to them to keep the accurate records and that way the messors will not get confused with the chaps who are the real custodians of the deer.

 

Flawed in the extreme. But that's what folks have come to expect.

[danw 1,748]

Dan i run a deer group with 20 + members and most like to keep a wee record of there outing but the BP guides referring to Official Record keeping which will be law in the near future need to be submitted.Now if every one from the group kept records of deer shot or culled on there ground . I am sure it would lead to many a double count and this would then reflect in the figures given out of deer in our area. So for me if you don't have ground or if you ponce it from others leave it to them to keep the accurate records and that way the messors will not get confused with the chaps who are the real custodians of the deer.

 

I understand your concern but why wouldn't it be the landowners who have to submit the cull data rather than the individual stalker?I would think that would represent a much more efficient way of collating any information particularly as the land would have already been mapped for sfps ect

[wireviz 8]

My opinion on this and that's all it is that to many cooks spoil the broth. For instance i have taken out this season about 20 different stalkers who have successfully shot a deer on my ground.Some are from the very same group as my self. So who keeps the record ? me or the chap who pulls the trigger. There are quite a few out there that would quite happy collect incorrect data if it helped there cause eg to many deer. So for me it is the chap who has the stalking rights not the landowner or the chap who might get access on a few occasions.

Edited August 28, 2011 by wireviz

[danw 1,748]

My opinion on this and that's all it is that to many cooks spoil the broth. For instance i have taken out this season about 20 different stalkers who have successfully shot a deer on my ground.Some are from the very same group as my self. So who keeps the record ? me or the chap who pulls the trigger. There are quite a few out there that would quite happy collect incorrect data if it helped there cause eg to many deer. So for me it is the chap who has the stalking rights not the landowner or the chap who might get access on a few occasions.

 

 

Whilst I understand your point I personally think the land owner should be the one to submit cull records it would give a far more accurate level of data because it would be all encompassing and would include all deer shot no mater if it is shot by an amateur or professional, seems to me some may choose to hide the true records from the landowner for their own gain.

Edited August 28, 2011 by danw

[wireviz 8]

Dan that might be true but i know this in my area if you were to ask the landowners to keep the records they would tell you politely to go F your self. They are busy enough most of the farms land in the populated part of Scotland are small and one stalker may cover many so he is the man.If he wants to hide it for personal gain then that's tough that has been done by every one correct figures for anything deer related are very hard to find.

[Greek Phil 5]

I understand your concern but why wouldn't it be the landowners who have to submit the cull data rather than the individual stalker?I would think that would represent a much more efficient way of collating any information particularly as the land would have already been mapped for sfps ect

 

 

Dan

 

Accurtate record keeping is not hard. Especially if you keep to the KISS principle. All that it needs is an agreement between the land owner or the stalker/stalkers as to who is responsible for collating the data and who is responsible for its submission in the first and last place.

 

I know of two very successful DMG's where the stalkers all fill out a supplied record data sheet for each and every outing be that for stalking purposes or for the organised annual deer census weekendswhich are retuned to the DMG's secretary for collating. it ain't hard, it just requires a agreed procedure that everyone abides by.

 

Even more informal DMG's can agree to a more relaxed data collection system where they meet up a couple of times a year and produce their figures. You're not going to get an exact figurre this way but you're certainly going to be better informed than where no records are kept by anyone.

 

Those that claim false numbers in that the less formal precess are really only fooling themselves.

 

Some will claim that its all to easy to abuse or falsify records for some materialistic gain or for for some other incomprehensible reason. I would suggest that's more of an indication as to how their mind works and their attitudes to the reasons for keeping records than it has to do with anything that happens in the real world.

[Caprelous 217]

I think Stuart and Chris it is your selves that were banned many times from SD and other sites and still remain so (GREEK PHIL) Is a notorious troll that no mater what admin do of all sites seems to find his unwanted way back to abuse posters and belittle people.This is the action of a little man with what we call in Scotland weeman syndrome But i will say again and i thought the post was relevant that the keeping of records should remain with people who have there own areas of ground on which to manage deer. If you are an invited guest or if you only have a small area on which to shoot a few deer then record keeping is some what foolish and it is actually detrimental to the deer sector.

Chris i will guess that your statement of the .221 Fireball is at Vim as a side ways personal attack .Well that one is between you and him and like before i will wish you good luck mate.

THE PM System on the sites is for people to send messages they do not wish to show on the main board if you do not like them or wish for the sender to be reported there is that option as there is the block option.But to bring it to the main board to get some kind of sympathy from the posters is just like telling tails out of school. Grow a set stu and i will see you down in the borders over the winter Andrew will tell you i have been invited down anytime and i will be taking up his invite as will Bob.

 

 

Not on any management areas that I jointly control you wont

[wireviz 8]

We will see old man i shall shoot every thing i see on your bagged areas now thats a fact and unlike you i am good at what i do.It didnt takem me four years to get three deer shot :laugh:

[Caprelous 217]

[danw 1,748]

It beggars belief, how could any of you be taken seriously as professionals when you bicker like children if you must take it to pm rather than spoil yet another thread

[Water Badger 26]

thanks for the original informative reply but if I wanted a soap opera of bitching girls i would switch on the telly