Plummer terriers ( pre ban )

[donnyc 1,203]

One and a half then

[Cleanspade 3,322]

One and a half then

 

 

thanks for that. :laugh: in my defence i am being conservative i dont like to big up my dogs. if you go threequarter. i'll go with that

[Cleanspade 3,322]

I spoke to the man who used Merlin and he said about using Ace and i did hear about the stud price although the man i was speaking to NEVER moaned about it at all,i myself agree with what you say as for that price it should be proven worker and producer, shame as he could be an asset to the breed but that price will put some folk off i think.

 

 

if matt has a mind to. i'm sure ace will get a chance to prove he has what it takes. i for one wouldnt baulk at 150 quid. Ace i off a very nice small bitch that works well below. in Ivy .matt puts a lot of thought into his terriers and in my opinion is one of the few that gets out regular. and does very little boasting. and i breeding a very tidy small type of terrier

[donnyc 1,203]

One and three quarters then Thought there would be more, the amount that keep them on here

[fireman 10,917]

I'll be the 1/4 that makes it up to two whole ones as mine gets under the soil not enough times a season but then she wasn't got as an out and out digging dog,just an all rounder i can have a dig with.Just about all plummer owners don't own them as digging dogs but as allrounders so in % wise i'd say not many Donny, but then it's not us plummer owners worrying about it mate

[donnyc 1,203]

Ahh but (us plummer terrier owners should be)The few that usually jump in on Plummer threads saying theirs do graft to ground are a minority ..Long term surely the gene pool will have become too small to continue working lines..Either that or all the traits and faults will rear there ugly heads..Not a dig one way or another just curious

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Donnyc,I work a dog and a bitch regular to ground,the old dog has never disappointed as said on previous posts and the bitch,being of new blood is a lot stronger and and is as good as any patterdale,fell or russell I've owned and worked all types of terrier's in my 53yrs of age and settled on these as they are very intelligent and with correct entering make a first class dog,making sweeping comments like you do only shows your own limitations as to what you've dug to,don't make generalising remarks about a breed that you obviously know nothing about,there have always been a number of lads that have worked them hard,granted not all are on this website but if you took the time to find the more genuine lads who do get out regular then you'd change your tune,I'm not after an argument with you about my dogs better than yours but all I will say is I've had some very good dogs of all types and these suit the manner in which I hunt these days,I hunt in some capacity everyday having retired at the age of 42yrs and my dogs (lurcher's as well) have to be 100% for me to keep them,there are a lot of well known lads that know me on here and I don't keep sh*te,I have extensive permission ranging up to 40miles from where I live with at least 2 organised shoots on them and lots of estate farms to do the pest control on,I rely upon my dogs to keep my credibility with the farmers and guns so they must be good at what they do,if they were'nt they would be replaced with some that do,its as simple as that for me.

I understand that most terrierlads have a low opinion on plummers and I can see why as said in a previous post,most lads want a thick point and shoot dog as they have no understanding of how to treat or train up a dog that can bush,hunt up,retrieve,etc,the dog for them is obviously a patt or fell,we all keep the dogs that suit what we do and if plummers are not for you then so be it but there is no need to try and big yourself up by trashing another breed for the sake of it,young lads may be impressed by having a go but men like myself (and there are a few on here) that have been at it a long time and kept all types of terriers,worked them hard,made up our own minds what we keep but still keep a line of plummers then its you that should broaden your mind and wonder just why???I've owned lots of dogs that were not very good but I would never say they are all rubbish,there are good and bad in every breed and finding a decent line that works for you is what it is all about,never trash another mans choice just for the sake of it,you may have what you think are the best dogs in the world but remember it is only your opinion,others will think differently,we are not all the same,atb,wirralman

[fireman 10,917]

See what your saying Donny and your right we should be worried the working gene pool is small but these days most of the bad faults have gone or rarely rear their ugly heads .But likes been said there are a few lads trying to bring the best out of them and they do get their backs under the sod and in that there going in the right direction,but % wise your right not many but i will put my neck out and say just how many pats,lakies or even russells out there get grafted like they should?,% wise i'd say not many either mate and nothing wrong with debate or questions.

[donnyc 1,203]

Donnyc,I work a dog and a bitch regular to ground,the old dog has never disappointed as said on previous posts and the bitch,being of new blood is a lot stronger and and is as good as any patterdale,fell or russell I've owned and worked all types of terrier's in my 53yrs of age and settled on these as they are very intelligent and with correct entering make a first class dog,making sweeping comments like you do only shows your own limitations as to what you've dug to,don't make generalising remarks about a breed that you obviously know nothing about,there have always been a number of lads that have worked them hard,granted not all are on this website but if you took the time to find the more genuine lads who do get out regular then you'd change your tune,I'm not after an argument with you about my dogs better than yours but all I will say is I've had some very good dogs of all types and these suit the manner in which I hunt these days,I hunt in some capacity everyday having retired at the age of 42yrs and my dogs (lurcher's as well) have to be 100% for me to keep them,there are a lot of well known lads that know me on here and I don't keep sh*te,I have extensive permission ranging up to 40miles from where I live with at least 2 organised shoots on them and lots of estate farms to do the pest control on,I rely upon my dogs to keep my credibility with the farmers and guns so they must be good at what they do,if they were'nt they would be replaced with some that do,its as simple as that for me.

I understand that most terrierlads have a low opinion on plummers and I can see why as said in a previous post,most lads want a thick point and shoot dog as they have no understanding of how to treat or train up a dog that can bush,hunt up,retrieve,etc,the dog for them is obviously a patt or fell,we all keep the dogs that suit what we do and if plummers are not for you then so be it but there is no need to try and big yourself up by trashing another breed for the sake of it,young lads may be impressed by having a go but men like myself (and there are a few on here) that have been at it a long time and kept all types of terriers,worked them hard,made up our own minds what we keep but still keep a line of plummers then its you that should broaden your mind and wonder just why???I've owned lots of dogs that were not very good but I would never say they are all rubbish,there are good and bad in every breed and finding a decent line that works for you is what it is all about,never trash another mans choice just for the sake of it,you may have what you think are the best dogs in the world but remember it is only your opinion,others will think differently,we are not all the same,atb,wirralman

Firstly you need to read and digest my post ..I never slagged them .trashed them either ..Seen many plummers try and fail .And no I dont keep point and shoot dogs either ..Must have touched a sore point ..I just enquired how could you keep a decent gene pool with a minority of working plummers..Plummer owners always shout and scream when a plummer thread is ripped to shit seems by your reply you have started the slagging like I said it was a genuine enquiry and your answer says it all ..f**k off

[donnyc 1,203]

See what your saying Donny and your right we should be worried the working gene pool is small but these days most of the bad faults have gone or rarely rear their ugly heads .But likes been said there are a few lads trying to bring the best out of them and they do get their backs under the sod and in that there going in the right direction,but % wise your right not many but i will put my neck out and say just how many pats,lakies or even russells out there get grafted like they should?,% wise i'd say not many either mate and nothing wrong with debate or questions.

Yeah your right partly but those lakies pats and white dogs arent in a minority as compared to working (to ground) plummers..So really there is a greater gene pool for them to use ..

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Donny,all terrier breeds have suffered since the ban and gene pools of all terrier breeds will suffer as a consequence,as the numbers of people testing them in this country reduces then so does the viable working genepool,I kept good hardworking well bred strains in the 70's,80's and 90's,the likes of gould,nuttall,middleton stuff but most of these are slagged off now for being rubbish,its difficult to maintain a line even breeding worker/worker,we can all only breed off the best thats available to us and hope it comes near the mark,as with plummers all terrier breeds have suffered by too much rubbish being bred for the show ring and not work,I attend most major gamefairs and shows and if you look hard there aren't many hardworked decent dogs about that you would want to own in them anymore,go back 20yr and good hardbitten workers were commonplace,by the way what terriers do you keep yourself and do they work at all ?? WIRRALMAN

[donnyc 1,203]

I keep some white terriers and some borders ..Yes I go ratting sometimes The (ban) has not affected me at all

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Donny,then you will know what I mean about generalising remarks,Borders have suffered as much as plummers in their lack of decent workers and are a rareity among a working genepool so you are in the same boat as us plummer owners as regards that,I've been out with lots of well bred borders and have never seen one that I'd want to own,they are slow starters,many are oversized and they too have suffered from a serious influx of show stock,I'm sure if you put up a thread on who works their borders to ground then they will be in the minority as well,I was out last night with a well bred border,its a lad off here and it was nowhere near anything that we pushed out from cover,this dog has a lot of good blood in it (oxcroft,etc) but they are nothing like the borders we used 25yr ago,they always appear when the hard work is done,as for white lakies,they are rock hard and are exactly what they look like and most would not get to ground in earths around here ,they are very limited in their use for larger quarry,so as you say you've seen many plummers try and fail then I have seen similar in the breeds you keep,making generalising remarks will always come back and bite you on the a*rse,maybe I've only seen poor ones as I'm 100% sure you have only seen rubbish bred from non-workers,f*ck off is not really a balenced debate and yet again shows your level of intelligence,I'm all for opinions and balenced debate to help further breeding standards among our terriers so by all means give viable comments that are constructive and not one line personalised opinion without basis,I look forward to your next one liner of "F*CK OFF" WIRRALMAN

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Were plummers even created with the intention of being earthdogs?

I was always under the impression they were an above ground vermin dog that a tiny minority have tried to work underground.

 

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

FTB

[WILF 46,875]

Were plummers even created with the intention of being earthdogs?

I was always under the impression they were an above ground vermin dog that a tiny minority have tried to work underground.

 

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

FTB

 

I was also under that impression mate