longest 'line' of lurcher to lurcher bred dogs

[skycat 6,174]

and although she never worked them seriously herself, they had free run of her farm:

 

sounds like a puppy farm if she was breeding lots of lurchers that never got worked

 

 

Oh dear: someone's got the wrong end of the stick. This was in the days before lurchers were being bred for money, churned out like factory produce. Anne was a very well respected person who ran a sheep farm, not a puppy farm. She kept lurchers because she liked them: and no, she didn't work them herself, but most of the dogs she bred went to working homes. I don't know how many litters she bred in total, but it was certainly not very many: and was usually on demand as she always had people wanting her dogs.

 

Nowadays there are more lurchers being bred than ever before, and more being passed from pillar to post than ever before: Anne established her line in the days before the dog market was saturated. I had to wait several years before I got my second pup from her, and I only discovered her dogs through word of mouth. Glad I did though. They may not be any better than any other lurchers but they suit me and have certain traits built in which I treasure: natural retrievers for one, great temperaments and pretty good all rounders. Good old fashioned lurchers. They are as a line, fairly sensitive, which wouldn't many of today's lurcher men: 'buy it this week, sell it the next' mentality, and I wouldn't even call them a line, more of a type. Anne is now in her 80s, if she's still alive, and I don't think she's bred a litter for many years

 

So please, before you jump in with conclusions and comments about puppy farming, either do your homework or ask a question!

[Guest dances]

Why would you have a dog from generations of nonworkers?

[skycat 6,174]

You obviously didn't read the post properly: most of her dogs went to working homes. They were used to breed back into the line. I can't be arsed to argue with people who are just trying to wind me up any more: read the post: OK, I'll repeat it: Anne ran a sheep farm: her lurchers had free run of the place, and spent most of their days catching and bringing home rabbits and hares. The first dog I got of her breeding was a very lightly built bitch who stood just 24" and took all quarry I put in front of her: rabbit, hare, fox, deer. The line has probably dissipated now, but the dogs I have still have the same traits which were so highly prized in the days before the internet ruined most things. HJKC: hunt, jump, kill, carry. And they did it all naturally with no training. They were naturals at everything: in those days, long before Mr Hancock started farming dogs, and before Plummer got into lurchers and wrote his books, there were actually people who bred and worked lurchers: have a read of Ted Walsh's books. These lurchers weren't bred for specific quarry, nor were they bred for show or to make a fast buck: they were working lurchers, just like there have been for hundreds of years.

I hope that explains things a bit better: I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that young people refuse to believe that there was anything worth knowing before their lifetimes LOL

[DUCKWING 302]

 

SKYCAT ,

 

IGNORE THE KIDS WITH A FEW YEARS UNDER THEIR BELTS THAT ARE NOW EXPERTS AND .....

 

" FULL TO THE TOP WITH THE LID ON "

 

I MET POWERS AS A KID AT LAMBOURN SHOW I BELIEVE , VERY NICE LOOKING BITCHES SHE HAD WITH HER THAT DAY .....

 

THE OLDEST LINE I KNOW OF IS ONE LOCALLY BRED BY A FEW MINING FAMILYS THAT ARE INDEED RELATED THEMSELVES ...... THIS LINE GOES BACK TO AN OUTSTANDING CUR X SNACK .... [ COLLIE X WHIPPET / GREYHOUND ] WHICH WAS BRED IN THE LATE 50s , THE FAMILY HAS REGULARY PRODUCED OUTSTANDING WORKERS , A FEW OUTCROSSES HAVE BEEN USED TO OUTSTANDING DOGS , A DEERHOUND CUR GREYHOUND NOTEABLEY , AND MORE RECENTLY A SALUKI HYBRED PRODUCING GOOD HARE KILLERS ....... WHEATHER THAT ENTERS THE GENE POOL WHO KNOWS , THOUGH TWO IVE SEEN A FEW YRS BACK WERE CAPABLE OF DOING A MULTITUDE OF TRADITIONAL LURCHER REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS RUN DOWN A DAYTIME HARE ......

 

ALL THE BEST

 

 

DUCKWING

 

 

[brookie 1,193]

You obviously didn't read the post properly: most of her dogs went to working homes. They were used to breed back into the line. I can't be arsed to argue with people who are just trying to wind me up any more: read the post: OK, I'll repeat it: Anne ran a sheep farm: her lurchers had free run of the place, and spent most of their days catching and bringing home rabbits and hares. The first dog I got of her breeding was a very lightly built bitch who stood just 24" and took all quarry I put in front of her: rabbit, hare, fox, deer. The line has probably dissipated now, but the dogs I have still have the same traits which were so highly prized in the days before the internet ruined most things. HJKC: hunt, jump, kill, carry. And they did it all naturally with no training. They were naturals at everything: in those days, long before Mr Hancock started farming dogs, and before Plummer got into lurchers and wrote his books, there were actually people who bred and worked lurchers: have a read of Ted Walsh's books. These lurchers weren't bred for specific quarry, nor were they bred for show or to make a fast buck: they were working lurchers, just like there have been for hundreds of years.

I hope that explains things a bit better: I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that young people refuse to believe that there was anything worth knowing before their lifetimes LOL

well said skycat

[boyo 1,398]

anne p owers bred some superb lurchers that were well in demand they were all like peas in a pod as far as type was concerned they were also a very fast line of lurcher that did well in racing showing and in the feild her best known probally being a little rough bitch called bridgette if my memory serves me correct . theres pictures of this bitch in one of my lurcher books might br walshs lurchers and longdogs but not quite sure without checking . and dances just because anne powers didnt work them doesnt mean they were not workers because beleive me she didnt get any complaints about her pups . and when you saw her own lurchers they did not get as fit as they were sat in the house or kennel .

[juckler123 707]

Think linnet in there is related as well had one off of Anne in 1980 one of the best dogs ive ever owned still got one about me now down from him .

Last time i was at Annes shed just had one run over on the A38 like she said the roads had become much busier since she first had lurchers and they soon start to go further and further afield my mate also lets his free roam not many survive.

Annes Kizzy

 

Edited August 9, 2011 by juckler123

[skycat 6,174]

I remember her saying that Chalkwarren. There is something very personable about them, in general. Of course mine are now a long, long way from the line that Anne bred.........I added Saluki, from a little dog from the Merlin/Eve etc lines. Added all sorts via different lurcher to lurcher bred dogs and bitches. A friend of mine used Poser, who was Anne's stud dog back in the early 90s, and mine come down from him. The original bitch I got from Anne's breeding sadly died at an early age through injury, but she was one of the most amazing dogs I've ever known: almost feral in her attitude, but totally biddable, and quite brilliant on the lamp on any game.

 

She seldom got bitten by a fox, and had this technique where she'd run along side the fox, make a pretend strike as though going for the back of its neck, then, when the fox raised its head in retaliation to bite her, she throw herself sideways and get it by its by now exposed throat: it worked every time. This didn't work quite the same way with muntjak, and she once got her shoulder laid open to the bone by a big buck. She never made a sound though, and managed to get it by the throat and shut the damn thing up. My vets, who were at the time just starting out in practice and very pro hunting, accepted half the munty in part payment for the subsequent surgery. Whispa recovered fast and we were back in business in no time, though she really did have too much heart for a bitch of her size and build. She was white rough coated with brindle patches and not dissimilar to that funny looking white lurcher in Walsh's book. Them were the days

[Simoman 110]

Great post Penny, Muntjac as part payment eh, bit different nowdays And as soon as i saw the thread title i thought of juckler123

[tinytiger 855]

I remember her saying that Chalkwarren. There is something very personable about them, in general. Of course mine are now a long, long way from the line that Anne bred.........I added Saluki, from a little dog from the Merlin/Eve etc lines. Added all sorts via different lurcher to lurcher bred dogs and bitches. A friend of mine used Poser, who was Anne's stud dog back in the early 90s, and mine come down from him. The original bitch I got from Anne's breeding sadly died at an early age through injury, but she was one of the most amazing dogs I've ever known: almost feral in her attitude, but totally biddable, and quite brilliant on the lamp on any game.

 

She seldom got bitten by a fox, and had this technique where she'd run along side the fox, make a pretend strike as though going for the back of its neck, then, when the fox raised its head in retaliation to bite her, she throw herself sideways and get it by its by now exposed throat: it worked every time. This didn't work quite the same way with muntjak, and she once got her shoulder laid open to the bone by a big buck. She never made a sound though, and managed to get it by the throat and shut the damn thing up. My vets, who were at the time just starting out in practice and very pro hunting, accepted half the munty in part payment for the subsequent surgery. Whispa recovered fast and we were back in business in no time, though she really did have too much heart for a bitch of her size and build. She was white rough coated with brindle patches and not dissimilar to that funny looking white lurcher in Walsh's book. Them were the days

was the bitch called whispa or whiska,i think i remember you writing about her in a magazine called irish hunting shooting and fishing.( a good few years back)

[skycat 6,174]

OMG! That was years and years ago: the magazine doesn't exist now does it? Shame: it had a good variety of field sports in there. Yes, that was the same Whispa I just mentioned in the post.

 

Juckler: I didn't know Anne till a bit later: '89 I think. She said that she had to be careful only to let one dog out at a time so they didn't encourage each other to go off too far.

 

Whilst Anne didn't breed specifically for colour, she did like fawns: being supposedly one of the original colours in lurchers. Thomas Bewick, the naturalist and engraver, did a book called the History of the Quadruped, in the 1700s. There is a picture of a fawn lurcher in there, and to read what he says you could almost say that they were looked on as a breed.

 

I never really liked fawn as a colour, and then I happened to throw up some fawns in a brindle to brindle mating.............

 

 

[breeze 1,339]

Skycat . . . Don't you have any old pic's of Ann's dog's ? ? Would be interesting to see them, especially that Poser dog

[skycat 6,174]

I've got a photo somewhere: I'll have to scan it in. It's amazing how he changed in both coat length and colour as he got older. He was a real sandy brindle as a young dog, and later went much rougher coated and almost blue brindle. The dog in this photo (which I bred) is one of his great grandsons, and looks very similar in size and type:

 

He is the sire to the two fawn bitches in the photo in my previous posts. He doesn't work, but I know the line sufficiently well to have used him over one of my unrelated bitches: the fawns are decent workers. I wouldn't say they are world beaters, but how many really are? They do me well enough: what I like is the instinct they have, the instinct to know how to deal with a variety of game: its gotta be in the genes.

[mighty celt 996]

good thread this an some nice dogs 2.

 

love the old tumbler looking lurchers.

[Penda 3,341]

I remember her saying that Chalkwarren. There is something very personable about them, in general. Of course mine are now a long, long way from the line that Anne bred.........I added Saluki, from a little dog from the Merlin/Eve etc lines. Added all sorts via different lurcher to lurcher bred dogs and bitches. A friend of mine used Poser, who was Anne's stud dog back in the early 90s, and mine come down from him. The original bitch I got from Anne's breeding sadly died at an early age through injury, but she was one of the most amazing dogs I've ever known: almost feral in her attitude, but totally biddable, and quite brilliant on the lamp on any game.

 

She seldom got bitten by a fox, and had this technique where she'd run along side the fox, make a pretend strike as though going for the back of its neck, then, when the fox raised its head in retaliation to bite her, she throw herself sideways and get it by its by now exposed throat: it worked every time. This didn't work quite the same way with muntjak, and she once got her shoulder laid open to the bone by a big buck. She never made a sound though, and managed to get it by the throat and shut the damn thing up. My vets, who were at the time just starting out in practice and very pro hunting, accepted half the munty in part payment for the subsequent surgery. Whispa recovered fast and we were back in business in no time, though she really did have too much heart for a bitch of her size and build. She was white rough coated with brindle patches and not dissimilar to that funny looking white lurcher in Walsh's book. Them were the days

i like the sounds of these dogs sound pretty handy indeeed,wish the vets by me would take half a munty in payment