up the beam 65 Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Albert sorry i have tried seveal times tonite to reply to your post but i am having network problems and only getting half of what im tryiny to say up each time and seem to be coming across all wrong and i supose my first post didnt help that much, but the kc registration thing realy upset me as it is something i am realy against but i will go into that later.I have been going to your game fairs for as long as i can rember long before i had working dogs and always give them my support i have no problem with you or them at all. Yes i agree with you that they are second to non in the country and that the effort time and money involved shows year after year and yes we do need to move forward but the fact that Mr Irwin is not running the terriers and lurchers anymore will be a great step forward on its own but i have been around the lurcher ring for many years seen lots of people come and go myself included and know the type of people who attend and you will always get one person bending the rules should it be a greyhound running as an over 23 or an under 23 in the whippet racing but bring kc registration papers into play will not eliminate this as you cannot link the dog to the paper work this is why greyhounds have ear markings and racing books.If this is the start of things to come i think you will see a big drop in numbers at the ring side if it was that easy sporting whippet would have been all kc racing by now but i think even they know its not practical for kc papers to be at working dog shows like this. UTB, Thanks for your post. You obviously feel strongly about this and I respect that. I think it was you who made the suggestion to me about an 'elite class ' for lurcher racing and as you can see we have started to take this on board albeit again in an interim fashion. As you have guessed I put my own viewes in a forthright fashion and I don't mind others putting theirs in a similar manner. BUt I think it is better all round if you decide to criticise something you make a suggestion how to improve it. As I said to Speedy above this is an interim measure for Birr only to see how it goes. But there are other ways including height/weight how reg and non reg whippets can be classified in order to give the maximum number of people the widest opportunity to compete fairly at this and other shows. BUT at the end of the day at Birr there should be no whippet excluded from racing this year. Albert yes it was myself that made the sugestion about elite classes.I think some of the things the club are planing for Birr are great ideas eg the race for non winners etc.I just wanted to air my views in the hope that others would join me and make the point clear on how a large majorty of people feel about kc papers at working dog show i do not want to stir things up so enough said from me .Thank you for taking time to read my posts and for the replys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Albert sorry i have tried seveal times tonite to reply to your post but i am having network problems and only getting half of what im tryiny to say up each time and seem to be coming across all wrong and i supose my first post didnt help that much, but the kc registration thing realy upset me as it is something i am realy against but i will go into that later.I have been going to your game fairs for as long as i can rember long before i had working dogs and always give them my support i have no problem with you or them at all. Yes i agree with you that they are second to non in the country and that the effort time and money involved shows year after year and yes we do need to move forward but the fact that Mr Irwin is not running the terriers and lurchers anymore will be a great step forward on its own but i have been around the lurcher ring for many years seen lots of people come and go myself included and know the type of people who attend and you will always get one person bending the rules should it be a greyhound running as an over 23 or an under 23 in the whippet racing but bring kc registration papers into play will not eliminate this as you cannot link the dog to the paper work this is why greyhounds have ear markings and racing books.If this is the start of things to come i think you will see a big drop in numbers at the ring side if it was that easy sporting whippet would have been all kc racing by now but i think even they know its not practical for kc papers to be at working dog shows like this. UTB, Thanks for your post. You obviously feel strongly about this and I respect that. I think it was you who made the suggestion to me about an 'elite class ' for lurcher racing and as you can see we have started to take this on board albeit again in an interim fashion. As you have guessed I put my own viewes in a forthright fashion and I don't mind others putting theirs in a similar manner. BUt I think it is better all round if you decide to criticise something you make a suggestion how to improve it. As I said to Speedy above this is an interim measure for Birr only to see how it goes. But there are other ways including height/weight how reg and non reg whippets can be classified in order to give the maximum number of people the widest opportunity to compete fairly at this and other shows. BUT at the end of the day at Birr there should be no whippet excluded from racing this year. Albert yes it was myself that made the sugestion about elite classes.I think some of the things the club are planing for Birr are great ideas eg the race for non winners etc.I just wanted to air my views in the hope that others would join me and make the point clear on how a large majorty of people feel about kc papers at working dog show i do not want to stir things up so enough said from me .Thank you for taking time to read my posts and for the replys. UTB, Thanks for your earlier suggestion about the 'elite class' and we hope to develop the novice or non winners class further in future. There are obviously mixed views on how we decided to break down the whippets into two classes. This was one of a few ideas put forward and the easiest to implement. You are right the weight of opinion on the forum has been against this but the weight in terms of emails /calls has been more balanced. The KC/NOn KC Reg will be used this year at Birr but we weill probably move on to height/weight for next years three fairs. Can we have opinions on this? Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patterdale666 1,620 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Looking forward to this show had a good day last year Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeview 791 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 UTB, Thanks for your earlier suggestion about the 'elite class' and we hope to develop the novice or non winners class further in future. There are obviously mixed views on how we decided to break down the whippets into two classes. This was one of a few ideas put forward and the easiest to implement. You are right the weight of opinion on the forum has been against this but the weight in terms of emails /calls has been more balanced. The KC/NOn KC Reg will be used this year at Birr but we weill probably move on to height/weight for next years three fairs. Can we have opinions on this? Albertj I cant find one reply in this topic from the diehard racers, maybe they have swung it with emails Y.I.S Leeview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 UTB, Thanks for your earlier suggestion about the 'elite class' and we hope to develop the novice or non winners class further in future. There are obviously mixed views on how we decided to break down the whippets into two classes. This was one of a few ideas put forward and the easiest to implement. You are right the weight of opinion on the forum has been against this but the weight in terms of emails /calls has been more balanced. The KC/NOn KC Reg will be used this year at Birr but we weill probably move on to height/weight for next years three fairs. Can we have opinions on this? Albertj I cant find one reply in this topic from the diehard racers, maybe they have swung it with emails Y.I.S Leeview LV, If you also look at the thread 'What is a Whippet' and some of the other whipet related threads on the K9 forum you will see that opinion is also fairly well split there. We probably went for the easiest option for the first time we have split the whippets into two classes for racing but I am surprised that people haven't welcomed an honest attempt by the club and ourselves to offer more races, more prizes and the opportunity to move closer to racing 'like with like'. I have received some very positive calls and emails suggesting that the fairest way to split the whippets is by weight ( I would be concerned that weight could vary with the same dog and this could lead to constant weighing) or by height ( this has the advantage of being a constant) - although some argue that this would favour some of the heavier dogs. What is clear is that we will not get universal agreement on this. For this year it is split on the basis of KC registered/or not. Next year is a whole new ball game so lets have your own views and the views of others on the pros and cons of the best ways to split the whippet racing classes. AlbertJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Looking forward to this show had a good day last year Thanks - I hope you will enjoy it even more this year. We have more stands than ever especially those of a country sports and living nature including the largest display of guns we have ever had. We have superb prizes throughout and many more new attractions.Just keeping our fngers crossed for good weather!Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TICKET CONCESSION. ALL ORDERS FOR TICKET CONCESSIONS MUST BE WITH ME BY TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK. AFTER THIS NORMAL ADMISSION PRICE APPLIES. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patterdale666 1,620 Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Looking forward to this show had a good day last year Thanks - I hope you will enjoy it even more this year. We have more stands than ever especially those of a country sports and living nature including the largest display of guns we have ever had. We have superb prizes throughout and many more new attractions.Just keeping our fngers crossed for good weather!Albertj Sounds good, a bit of luck the weather will be good for the weekend. lookin forward to it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
speedy1234 5 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 went down to the racing on sat and seen a kc whippet race but no un reg whippet race instead i seen what looked like an under 23 race for good sake there was even a rough coated dog in this race and as you can see from pics on here of the winner i think anyone that knows what a whippet looks like knows that is not a whippet . you said there was going to be a kc whippet race and a non kc whippet race what happened why were these dogs alound to run in the whippet class. Maybe im wrong but i thought that a kc whippet race was for people that had papers for there whippets and a non kc was for people that didnt have papers for there WHIPPETS. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 went down to the racing on sat and seen a kc whippet race but no un reg whippet race instead i seen what looked like an under 23 race for good sake there was even a rough coated dog in this race and as you can see from pics on here of the winner i think anyone that knows what a whippet looks like knows that is not a whippet . you said there was going to be a kc whippet race and a non kc whippet race what happened why were these dogs alound to run in the whippet class. Maybe im wrong but i thought that a kc whippet race was for people that had papers for there whippets and a non kc was for people that didnt have papers for there WHIPPETS. Speedy, Didn't see the racing as I was busy elsewhere and the decisions on what dog raced was down to the organising club. I think most people think they did a superb job overall. This classification of the whippets was a genuine attempt to address the concerns expressed on the various forums so as to be as inclusive as possible. It was not meant to disadvantage anyone. It was made clear it was an experiment to see how things went this year. Both the organising club and I are happy to hear positive suggestions on how the classifications of the whippets can be improved for 2012. Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leanne23 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) ive a big blue lugna whippet where does he stand in all this even though ive papers for him he is twice the weight off any other show bred whippet so if the weight and height thing comes out then my dog hasnt a chance to race with his breed even though he is papered but alot bigger than the adverage size whippet ??????????? Edited August 31, 2011 by Leanne23 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
speedy1234 5 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 the man who had the winning whippet has been on saying he raced it in the non peds class was there such a class? if there was, why was there no class for fully whippets with no papers? . come on now you had long enough to sort this all out or were you only thinking about kc whippets when making up the classes . you were there handing out the prices so can you tell me was martin tuckers dog a whippet or not .Maybe roscrea club were not as good as everyone is making out if they put a lurcher in a whippet class. fairplay to you if you can give me a yes or no to the whippet question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 the man who had the winning whippet has been on saying he raced it in the non peds class was there such a class? if there was, why was there no class for fully whippets with no papers? . come on now you had long enough to sort this all out or were you only thinking about kc whippets when making up the classes . you were there handing out the prices so can you tell me was martin tuckers dog a whippet or not .Maybe roscrea club were not as good as everyone is making out if they put a lurcher in a whippet class. fairplay to you if you can give me a yes or no to the whippet question. I was not asked for my opinion when I was at the prize giving. AND at that stage no one challenged the result. Had there been a challenge and I had been asked to look at the dog and give my opinion I would have done so. As I have said before we decided to try to resolve an issue about the whippet racing by putting in an extra classification - this was an honest attempt to do so which cost us extra prize money. As I have said we will consider other positive suggestions how we can resolve this issue but as far as I am concerned you or no one else sets the time that we have. The matter will be discussed with our event organisers and taking into account other suggestions we will announce our classifications for 2012. This could include one, two, three or no classifications for whippets. Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lesleyd 24 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 albert at all your shows you have a whippet and lurcher judge why not ask them to do an extra jod for you and get them to take the names for the racing. owner and dog to go put there name down and what class they would like it to race in and if the lurcher and whippet judge agree with this class then it will be put in this class. just an idea to stop the cheating . maybe have some mussel behind them just incase lol lesley d 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 albert at all your shows you have a whippet and lurcher judge why not ask them to do an extra jod for you and get them to take the names for the racing. owner and dog to go put there name down and what class they would like it to race in and if the lurcher and whippet judge agree with this class then it will be put in this class. just an idea to stop the cheating . maybe have some mussel behind them just incase lol lesley d best thing to do is BAN THE KC REG DOGS and get back to working dogs more fun for THE TRUE HUNTING MAN Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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