AlbertJ 569 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Racing at the Irish Game & Country Fair Birr Saturday 27th August starting at 12.30 with Terrier Racing organised by the Roscrea Working Dog Club contact Shane Lee 00353 863296667. 1. Terriers 2. KC Registered Whippet – must show registration papers. 3. Un Reg Whippet If the owners of the winning whippets in each class want to race against each other for top whippet I will put up a tankard for the winner. 4. Novice Lurcher any size any age over 10 months. This is confined to lurchers that have not won a race. This is part of a new competition for which other shows will be offered qualifiers. There will be a final for all ‘Novice Race qualifiers’ at Shanes Castle on 7th July 2012 for the Philip Lawton Director’s Trophy. Winner receives two tickets for Shanes Castle Game Fair in 2012. 5. Special Under 24” Lurcher Race. 6& 7. Master Mc Grath Challenge Qualifying Races – Under 23” and Over 23” Lurcher Races. Both Over 23” Champion and Over 23” Champions to qualify for the final of the 2nd Annual Master Mc Grath Challenge at the Shanes Castle Fair 7th July 2012. Winners receive Master Mc Grath Caps; limited edition qualifying Scrolls and Redmills Dog Food plus subscription to Irish Countrysports and Country Life magazine plus two tickets to Shanes Castle Fair in 2012. Prizes : €50 for the winner of each of the 7 races plus Trophy. Rosettes for 1st and Second sponsored by Redmills, Irish Countrysports and Country Life magazine , Premier Event Catering and Countryside Alliance Ireland. There will also be a demonstration by the Roscrea Club of racing from traps. Terrier & Lurcher Show organised by the Glenbank Working Dog Club Contact Matt Lee Tel :00 353 860654553 on Sunday 28th August starting off at 12.30 with the family pet show. Entry fees for all show and racing classes : €3 per entry. Game Fair Ticket Concessions for Terrier & Lurcher owners : Please note these must be ordered from Albert Titterington before the 15th August 2011. Call me on 048 44839167 or email me for details. 1.A family ticket and a years subscription to Irish Countrysports and Country Life magazine €30. 2. A two day family ticket for €35. 3. Adult two day ticket for €15. 4. Adult one day ticket plus year’s subscription to Irish Countrysports and Country Life magazine €15. Normal Prices are : Family €35 Adult €15 Child between 5 -15 €5. This includes free parking and free programme and of course Lord & Lady Rosse have very kindly opened their Museum and world famous gardens ( Normally costing €25 family;€9 adult and €5 child) to the public over the time of the Fair and these additional attractions are included within the cost of the Fair admission tickets. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
up the beam 65 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Looks like a lot of thought has went into this NOT!!! such a load of balls, was going to go but not now after reading this. A select few being taken by the hand again and stuff the rest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Looks like a lot of thought has went into this NOT!!! such a load of balls, was going to go but not now after reading this. A select few being taken by the hand again and stuff the rest. Perhaps you would share what you don't like about this. Yes, a lot of thought and discussion did go into this to try to give a range of events in which the widest range of people could compete for good prizes and to try to give good value for money in terms of admission to what will be a really good Irish game fair. It is part of an evolving programme to try to extend the opportunities for people to race their dogs like against like and to actually spread the prizes around a bit. Of course I like to have premium events like the Master Mc Grath and Five Nations with big prizes just as we have a €3,500 shotgun for the top clay prize. I make no apology for this because our ambitions for our fairs - which are much more than terriers , whippets and lurchers- is overall to match or exceed most of the prize funds at fair in the UK. We also want to encourage the opportunities for international competition on Irish soil. You have implied we are 'pandering to the few' and I would challenge you to name any show that has as many valuable prizes spread throughout the show and racing and available to 'the many.' Or any other show organiser in Ireland or even the UK that has put as much prize money into the terrier & lurchers. OR to suggest how you would do it better. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
up the beam 65 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) Also prize money only encourages people to cheat. Edited August 3, 2011 by up the beam 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longstone lad 1 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 un reg whippet [bANNED TEXT] a joke its either a whippet or not this is to suit the few with under 23 non peds who cant win against the top under 23 but try to lick ur balls albert sence you have come on the scene you have caused more fk ups Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 un reg whippet [bANNED TEXT] a joke its either a whippet or not this is to suit the few with under 23 non peds who cant win against the top under 23 but try to lick ur balls albert sence you have come on the scene you have caused more fk ups I have been on the 'Game Fair Scene' for 34 years and introduced many of the attractions that are now standard at any show. The reason why our shows continue to grow is because of our innovation and I will not be put of introducing new events and ideas by people who are almost wholly negative. In consultation with a wide number of people we have come up with some new classes to give people more choice. As I say this is an evolving process and we will take cognisance of all sensible suggestions for other changes. . Why can't you come up with a positive input to the discussion and help evolve /develop the terrier, whippet and lurcher events into something that the majority of people are satisfied with and can enjoy. I consider that the extra classes give a better chance of people being able to compete with like for like and I genuinely am genuinely stunned that by us giving extra prizes and extra opportunities for competition that people should be so negative - I cannot think that would happen in any other competitive section of our events. Are you genuinely saying that we should only have a class for KC registered whippets? Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Also prize money only encourages people to cheat. Also prize money only encourages people to cheat. What a poor opinion you have of your fellow enthusiasts. When you win prize money you can always as I do put it back into the organising club funds. I think good prizes encourages excellence and if I compete , win or lose, I like to compete against the best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
up the beam 65 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Also prize money only encourages people to cheat. Also prize money only encourages people to cheat. What a poor opinion you have of your fellow enthusiasts. When you win prize money you can always as I do put it back into the organising club funds. I think good prizes encourages excellence and if I compete , win or lose, I like to compete against the best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
speedy1234 5 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 i can just see your ad on here for your show next year i think it will read kc whippets only at this show . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted August 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 i can just see your ad on here for your show next year i think it will read kc whippets only at this show . Speedie, Can you make your point a bit clearer. We have no plans to make the whippet racing KC only as this would exclude many owners. We may refine these classifications in the future eg we would intend to possibly break the novice class down by type. BUT IF YOU WANT TO IMPLEMENT CHANGE YOU HAVE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE. THIS IS THE START OF A PROCESS NOT THE END! As you are probably aware there were a number of views expressed on the K9 Lurcher forum about what way we should define whippets for our racing. We took account of these and other consultations when we discussed the final classification with the organising club. Our objective was simple to try to give the widest range of competitions and to be inclusive by giving more people the opportunity to compete fairly.. We have more classifications than ever before and of course these can be changed in the future but I am amazed that people cannot welcome an evolving situation where we are trying to improve our terrier, whippet and lurcher events and try to improve it by making positive suggestions. We had a very productive meeting with the organising club and the above is the result of quite lengthy discussions. It can be improved upon in 2012. Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
speedy1234 5 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 why change at all ? these working dog shows have been going for years fine yes there is a few people that have a moan or two but why not leave things the way they were . i know there was alot of fuss made about a dog run in the whippet race in shanes castle that afew people said was not a whippet but if you look into this abit more you will see that the person doing alot of the moaning usally wins the whippet race when that whippet/lurcher is not there . it seems to me that you have got a bit to friendly with some people and are not seeing past these people when making calls for these shows. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
speedy1234 5 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 so my whippets that our full whippets but have no papers still have to run with the so called whippets how is this fair? thing is there is a few people at these shows who have been trying for the past few years to make these shows kc only and you have just gave them a helping hand in this . why not go by height Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcher330 2,297 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Albert i enjoy all your shows but i have 2 whippet that would have been registered i bothered to get them registered but my whippets are for working and for some fun in the summer showing and racing and i dont think they should be but in a separate class because i did'nt pay the kc to but their breeding on paper .i dont think the k.c has any place at these shows they might be trying to change but they have already destroyed so many working breeds and working dogs is what these shows are meant to be about.looking forward to Birr it's always a great weekend but i think it should be left the way it was 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
up the beam 65 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Albert sorry i have tried seveal times tonite to reply to your post but i am having network problems and only getting half of what im tryiny to say up each time and seem to be coming across all wrong and i supose my first post didnt help that much, but the kc registration thing realy upset me as it is something i am realy against but i will go into that later.I have been going to your game fairs for as long as i can rember long before i had working dogs and always give them my support i have no problem with you or them at all. Yes i agree with you that they are second to non in the country and that the effort time and money involved shows year after year and yes we do need to move forward but the fact that Mr Irwin is not running the terriers and lurchers anymore will be a great step forward on its own but i have been around the lurcher ring for many years seen lots of people come and go myself included and know the type of people who attend and you will always get one person bending the rules should it be a greyhound running as an over 23 or an under 23 in the whippet racing but bring kc registration papers into play will not eliminate this as you cannot link the dog to the paper work this is why greyhounds have ear markings and racing books.If this is the start of things to come i think you will see a big drop in numbers at the ring side if it was that easy sporting whippet would have been all kc racing by now but i think even they know its not practical for kc papers to be at working dog shows like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
speedy1234 5 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 so is there anybody that is happy with this kc and non kc ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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