terrier killing fox

[CWN-HELA 228]

seen one dog that would bite through the skull of the fox and another bitch that had a knack of braking their jaw 90% of the time

[nitestalker 28 209]

had a 3/4 pat 1/4 lake dog wud kill a fox everytime if it was only 2ft he wud hav em dead in the ground lost em 2 ground in the end gud dog atb

[hedz31 1,308]

I can count the number of dogs able to kill a fox to ground on 1 hand very easily that ive bred,never been fond of them and the ones that did it never how could ye say had the knack for it they were just idiots that banged away like lunatics till either the fox was dead or ye broke through and they always came out a horrendus mess,give me a nice steady baying mixer anyday

[fish 148]

I can count the number of dogs able to kill a fox to ground on 1 hand very easily that ive bred,never been fond of them and the ones that did it never how could ye say had the knack for it they were just idiots that banged away like lunatics till either the fox was dead or ye broke through and they always came out a horrendus mess,give me a nice steady baying mixer anyday

same for me bud

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

I've not dug to many terriers, but I see no reason why a dog couldn't be taught to take a throat hold using a 'straw' carcass. If anyone has read the Neils Sondergaard book, 'Working With Dogs for Deer', they will know what I mean. In it the author has a roe deer skin stuffed with straw and sewn up. He explains how to teach a tracking dog to take hold of the throat using the skin. This is done from an early age in all training sessions. I recognise that a tracking dog on wounded deer and a terrier below ground are very different dogs in different situations, but I see no reason why a terrier couldn't be encouraged to learn a throat hold in this manner.

[the_stig 6,614]

reason i asked, is i know a guy that keeps some terriers, an he says it can.....

 

 

i doubt it can be taught(but a wise man once told me, not to doubt what i dont know ), but he puts a young keen dog on the throat of the foxes it meets in its entering, an swears that if or when 1 of his terriers gets a chance, it will take a throat hold over any other....

 

 

 

an i know this guy has done his fair share, been at it a long time

 

Would this guy live down near me and written a few books as he told me the same thing when i did some work at his kennels for him

 

 

 

nope mate, the guy lives up north, an widnae even read a book never mind write 1 ahaha

 

a few members on this site was on the dig while we were having the conversation last season as it goes

 

Haha fair enough!

 

Ive been told the same as you though by a very experienced guy that everyone has heard of so there may be something to it

 

Would this same man say use a stick??LOL A man who detested hard terriers yet used many when he could ..Another whiskey

:whistling:

[Bosun11 537]

I had a Lakie years back that killed with a throat hold, seen him use it in railway drains a few times, seemed to have a knack for it that didn't see him take much stick, he used it for about three seasons. Came unstuck one day and took a face full, never went back to that throat hold, just waded right in forever after, still killed 'em but would end up a mess every time.

Thing is, his mother always killed foxes by wading right in, and his father on the few occasions he killed in, used a throat hold.

[OldNog 432]

reason i asked, is i know a guy that keeps some terriers, an he says it can.....

 

 

i doubt it can be taught(but a wise man once told me, not to doubt what i dont know ), but he puts a young keen dog on the throat of the foxes it meets in its entering, an swears that if or when 1 of his terriers gets a chance, it will take a throat hold over any other....

 

 

 

an i know this guy has done his fair share, been at it a long time

 

Would this guy live down near me and written a few books as he told me the same thing when i did some work at his kennels for him

 

 

 

nope mate, the guy lives up north, an widnae even read a book never mind write 1 ahaha

 

a few members on this site was on the dig while we were having the conversation last season as it goes

 

Haha fair enough!

 

Ive been told the same as you though by a very experienced guy that everyone has heard of so there may be something to it

 

Would this same man say use a stick??LOL A man who detested hard terriers yet used many when he could ..Another whiskey

 

The same guy that detests terriers that arent white.....especiailly blackuns

[k9delboy 138]

cheers lad some good replys..when people say they have a hard dog, are they just stupid and ( get smashed up ) ive seen my share..but a dog that kill is that a cleva dog ???? CWN-HELA

Agree with you on this one.

[fat man 4,741]

I've not dug to many terriers, but I see no reason why a dog couldn't be taught to take a throat hold using a 'straw' carcass. If anyone has read the Neils Sondergaard book, 'Working With Dogs for Deer', they will know what I mean. In it the author has a roe deer skin stuffed with straw and sewn up. He explains how to teach a tracking dog to take hold of the throat using the skin. This is done from an early age in all training sessions. I recognise that a tracking dog on wounded deer and a terrier below ground are very different dogs in different situations, but I see no reason why a terrier couldn't be encouraged to learn a throat hold in this manner.

Now im not trying to take the piss but a straw fox wont bite back,in my opinion that is shite talk.

[christian71 3,187]

I've not dug to many terriers, but I see no reason why a dog couldn't be taught to take a throat hold using a 'straw' carcass. If anyone has read the Neils Sondergaard book, 'Working With Dogs for Deer', they will know what I mean. In it the author has a roe deer skin stuffed with straw and sewn up. He explains how to teach a tracking dog to take hold of the throat using the skin. This is done from an early age in all training sessions. I recognise that a tracking dog on wounded deer and a terrier below ground are very different dogs in different situations, but I see no reason why a terrier couldn't be encouraged to learn a throat hold in this manner.

 

THINK THAT IS A LOAD OF SHITE

[Guest busterdog]

I've not dug to many terriers, but I see no reason why a dog couldn't be taught to take a throat hold using a 'straw' carcass. If anyone has read the Neils Sondergaard book, 'Working With Dogs for Deer', they will know what I mean. In it the author has a roe deer skin stuffed with straw and sewn up. He explains how to teach a tracking dog to take hold of the throat using the skin. This is done from an early age in all training sessions. I recognise that a tracking dog on wounded deer and a terrier below ground are very different dogs in different situations, but I see no reason why a terrier couldn't be encouraged to learn a throat hold in this manner.

 

THINK THAT IS A LOAD OF SHITE

 

Totalt agree, killing foxes is something thats learnt through work or comes naturaly. I rag carcasses with my youngsters and what i find is the braver more forward pups will hold the business end (head and throat), but in all the years i've had terriers I've only had one kill fox on a regular basis. Most of the terriers i work get up close and personal but haven't got the knack to kill fox on what i would call a regular basis, they kill the odd fox but nothing like the way my old border x did.

[The Breeder 156]

I've not dug to many terriers, but I see no reason why a dog couldn't be taught to take a throat hold using a 'straw' carcass. If anyone has read the Neils Sondergaard book, 'Working With Dogs for Deer', they will know what I mean. In it the author has a roe deer skin stuffed with straw and sewn up. He explains how to teach a tracking dog to take hold of the throat using the skin. This is done from an early age in all training sessions. I recognise that a tracking dog on wounded deer and a terrier below ground are very different dogs in different situations, but I see no reason why a terrier couldn't be encouraged to learn a throat hold in this manner.

 

THINK THAT IS A LOAD OF SHITE

 

Totalt agree, killing foxes is something thats learnt through work or comes naturaly. I rag carcasses with my youngsters and what i find is the braver more forward pups will hold the business end (head and throat), but in all the years i've had terriers I've only had one kill fox on a regular basis. Most of the terriers i work get up close and personal but haven't got the knack to kill fox on what i would call a regular basis, they kill the odd fox but nothing like the way my old border x did.

I told you Bernie has got a border up there for you

[Guest busterdog]

I've not dug to many terriers, but I see no reason why a dog couldn't be taught to take a throat hold using a 'straw' carcass. If anyone has read the Neils Sondergaard book, 'Working With Dogs for Deer', they will know what I mean. In it the author has a roe deer skin stuffed with straw and sewn up. He explains how to teach a tracking dog to take hold of the throat using the skin. This is done from an early age in all training sessions. I recognise that a tracking dog on wounded deer and a terrier below ground are very different dogs in different situations, but I see no reason why a terrier couldn't be encouraged to learn a throat hold in this manner.

 

THINK THAT IS A LOAD OF SHITE

 

Totalt agree, killing foxes is something thats learnt through work or comes naturaly. I rag carcasses with my youngsters and what i find is the braver more forward pups will hold the business end (head and throat), but in all the years i've had terriers I've only had one kill fox on a regular basis. Most of the terriers i work get up close and personal but haven't got the knack to kill fox on what i would call a regular basis, they kill the odd fox but nothing like the way my old border x did.

I told you Bernie has got a border up there for you

 

 

I was sold this dog as a border when i was in my teans, i was told never to let another dog toground with him as he'd kill it as fast as a fox . The first dig i ever had to him was in a small rabbit burrow, i followed him with the old knocker box and he made contact almost instantly, the fox moved just a few feet further up the bank and i was following with the box when i thought f**k the box, i didn't need it as i could see the floor lifting. The spade was put to work and i was through in seconds but it was still to late for this fox, it was no small fox, it was a well built dog fox but he was no match for Ben the border lol, he'd smashed it's scull and was busy crunching what was left of it. To this day i've never seen a dog with the knack of killing like he had.

 

PS never did get to the bottom of whether he was a full border.

[The Breeder 156]

I've not dug to many terriers, but I see no reason why a dog couldn't be taught to take a throat hold using a 'straw' carcass. If anyone has read the Neils Sondergaard book, 'Working With Dogs for Deer', they will know what I mean. In it the author has a roe deer skin stuffed with straw and sewn up. He explains how to teach a tracking dog to take hold of the throat using the skin. This is done from an early age in all training sessions. I recognise that a tracking dog on wounded deer and a terrier below ground are very different dogs in different situations, but I see no reason why a terrier couldn't be encouraged to learn a throat hold in this manner.

 

THINK THAT IS A LOAD OF SHITE

 

Totalt agree, killing foxes is something thats learnt through work or comes naturaly. I rag carcasses with my youngsters and what i find is the braver more forward pups will hold the business end (head and throat), but in all the years i've had terriers I've only had one kill fox on a regular basis. Most of the terriers i work get up close and personal but haven't got the knack to kill fox on what i would call a regular basis, they kill the odd fox but nothing like the way my old border x did.

I told you Bernie has got a border up there for you

 

 

I was sold this dog as a border when i was in my teans, i was told never to let another dog toground with him as he'd kill it as fast as a fox . The first dig i ever had to him was in a small rabbit burrow, i followed him with the old knocker box and he made contact almost instantly, the fox moved just a few feet further up the bank and i was following with the box when i thought f**k the box, i didn't need it as i could see the floor lifting. The spade was put to work and i was through in seconds but it was still to late for this fox, it was no small fox, it was a well built dog fox but he was no match for Ben the border lol, he'd smashed it's scull and was busy crunching what was left of it. To this day i've never seen a dog with the knack of killing like he had.

 

PS never did get to the bottom of whether he was a full border.

Do you know who bred him