gnasher16 30,062 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 2.didnt have to see a very old formerly good boxer get embarrassed by getting beaten in a sport he has no background in. In all fairness,it sums up the difference in the quality of the 2 sports.....the fact out of shape ex boxers like Mercer/Toney can walk into mma fights at top level........that would never be allowed the other way round,and rightly so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 2.didnt have to see a very old formerly good boxer get embarrassed by getting beaten in a sport he has no background in. In all fairness,it sums up the difference in the quality of the 2 sports.....the fact out of shape ex boxers like Mercer/Toney can walk into mma fights at top level........that would never be allowed the other way round,and rightly so. its a f*****g circus,i honestly cant think why these great athletes degrade themselves by taking part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 26,068 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 2.didnt have to see a very old formerly good boxer get embarrassed by getting beaten in a sport he has no background in. In all fairness,it sums up the difference in the quality of the 2 sports.....the fact out of shape ex boxers like Mercer/Toney can walk into mma fights at top level........that would never be allowed the other way round,and rightly so. its a f*****g circus,i honestly cant think why these great athletes degrade themselves by taking part. money we all need it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 2.didnt have to see a very old formerly good boxer get embarrassed by getting beaten in a sport he has no background in. In all fairness,it sums up the difference in the quality of the 2 sports.....the fact out of shape ex boxers like Mercer/Toney can walk into mma fights at top level........that would never be allowed the other way round,and rightly so. its a f*****g circus,i honestly cant think why these great athletes degrade themselves by taking part. money we all need it they'd probably make more money having open workouts/sparring sessions in vegas or hosting those personality dinner things. dont forget mate its not just one night of work,theres the training which will be a a lot harder on them at their age and trying to learn new skills etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trappa 518 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 MMA is mixed martial arts. Ive no problem with a boxer having a go !?! Mercer did well, toney didnt. Whats the issue? The vast majority of the fighters have specialised in one martial art so why not one of the older ones having a go? Or an out of shape one having a go? Randy has only just retired and hes touching 50. Roy nelson is as fat as feck yet he is doing great. Thats the beauty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 MMA is mixed martial arts. Ive no problem with a boxer having a go !?! Mercer did well, toney didnt. Whats the issue? The vast majority of the fighters have specialised in one martial art so why not one of the older ones having a go? Or an out of shape one having a go? Randy has only just retired and hes touching 50. Roy nelson is as fat as feck yet he is doing great. Thats the beauty. just the same as if Mercer went back to boxing now and challenged any top 50 heavyweight,i'd be betting he'd get destroyed, and it would tarnish a lot of peoples view of him in years to come. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHanded. . 110 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Gnashed the fighter that was in with Hughes was Carlos Newton, it was the fight where Newton had him in a triangle an Hughes stood up an drop him on his head an got the ko it's still not clear whether Hughes went out an that's what caused him to drop Newton an ko him. Stefan bonner/forest griffin was a great fight Also sanchez/guida Sanchez/kampman Jerry bohlander was a young lad in the early UFCs was always great to watch had a massive heart Maurice smith was also a good fighter to watch then you had young Vitor juiced up blowin people out the water until randy got his hands on him an wore him put. I still think all these fighters of old wouldn't stand a chance against most of the mma fighters today. Does anyone agree that the rematch of Royce an shamrock was one of the worst fights in a history? I've got most UFC starting from UFC 1 m missing a couple of 30,s I've been told they never got released for some reason. Is anyone goin to the UFC on bonfire night in Birmingham? The only fights upto now that have been put together is leben can't remember his opponent an thiago alves is fighting also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,062 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 MMA is mixed martial arts. Ive no problem with a boxer having a go !?! Mercer did well, toney didnt. Whats the issue? The vast majority of the fighters have specialised in one martial art so why not one of the older ones having a go? Or an out of shape one having a go? Randy has only just retired and hes touching 50. Roy nelson is as fat as feck yet he is doing great. Thats the beauty. What it really shows is the desperation of the ufc as an organisation and mma as a sport An out of shape over the hill Randy Couture would never be allowed by any boxing organisation to step into a ring with Vladimir Klitchsko for example.......it just would never be allowed to happen. What reason could there be to think Mercer or Toney could compete in a different sport at the top level......likewise what reason is there to think any of them mma boys could step into a boxing ring at top level......the difference is boxing is still a noble and dignified sport with morals...........ufc is only one step up from silly boys wwe wrestling as far as im concerned....which is a shame as the sport itself is very interesting and competetive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trappa 518 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I'll be there shanded, should be good. Gnasher, I disagree with you strongly. You do know your fighting and i respect that a lot but boxing still noble and dignified???? You must be joking! Its a complete farce. Boxers get spud after spud fed to them to get their win ratio up, thats wrong and certainly not noble or dignified, nor is the vile rhetoric they spew before a fight. If we take the UFC as an organisation, there is no fixed fights where the winner is decided earlier, not one. Your first fight will be against a decent fighter, think daley kampmann, think al turk kongo, i could go on. The level of respect (mostly) is far higher than any other sport. (watch pat barry v crocop) i stopped watching boxing properly years ago after getting sick of what were fixed fights. Anyway, thats me on this thread as im passionate about mma and think its the future of combat sports, and im certain boxing is corrupt and a moribund sport, and if I carry on it will only end up a slanging match and i dont want that. All the best, trappa. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I'll be there shanded, should be good. Gnasher, I disagree with you strongly. You do know your fighting and i respect that a lot but boxing still noble and dignified???? You must be joking! Its a complete farce. Boxers get spud after spud fed to them to get their win ratio up, thats wrong and certainly not noble or dignified, nor is the vile rhetoric they spew before a fight. If we take the UFC as an organisation, there is no fixed fights where the winner is decided earlier, not one. Your first fight will be against a decent fighter, think daley kampmann, think al turk kongo, i could go on. The level of respect (mostly) is far higher than any other sport. (watch pat barry v crocop) i stopped watching boxing properly years ago after getting sick of what were fixed fights. Anyway, thats me on this thread as im passionate about mma and think its the future of combat sports, and im certain boxing is corrupt and a moribund sport, and if I carry on it will only end up a slanging match and i dont want that. All the best, trappa. Agree with you 100% Trappa...........theres not a boxing match in the world nowadays that would make me switch over from the MMA events. Boxing is a farce now, a little cut or a couple of stumbles and the fight is finished.... The UFC is an awesome attraction.....would love to go over to the USA sometime and watch a big event. Proper athletes battling it out till they are actually KO'd or submitted.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,062 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) Its worth remembering the people who run the sport of " mma "....sold it out long ago,dont forget this was originally sold to the public as " a real fight "....no holds barred ? cage fighting ? no rules fighting ?....they quickly decided against that idea and started to call it mixed martial arts when tv companies refused to air it and certain states banned it......today it has more rules than any other combat sport and is certainly not a real fight.Thats a massive turnaround of the entire sport in around 15 years.....In well over 100 years the rules of boxing have never changed. As for boxers being stopped on cuts.........boxing as a sport is far more dangerous than mma,there is absolutely no comparison between a busted jaw,stitches etc in mma to the permanent brain injuries and deaths that we have sadly seen in the boxing ring. To me ufc/mma is a trend...ive been to a few its like being out on a stag do !....near all the fans are a certain age group,most have the obligatory ufc starter kit of tattoo sleeve and affliction t shirts....and all stand there screaming and doing silly childlike hand gestures.....compare that to the almost eerie silence of a knowledgable boxing crowd at small hall venues like the York Hall and it really puts into perspective the difference in class and tradition differences of the 2 sports.Ufc is nowhere near as popular as boxing,and never will be......look at the simple facts.....Oscar dela Hoya earned twice as much in 1 fight against Mayweather than Chuck Liddell earned in his entire career !....Liddell ( the highest earner in the sport )reportedly earned 10 million in his career.....Dela Hoya earned just under 1 billion !.....Couture/Lesnar earned both fighters a combined total of 700,000......Mayweather/Paquiao ( it it happens ) is likely to earn them 50 million combined. As for boxers fighting spuds........its called learning your trade....something mma fighters dont do because theres no amateur/pro divide......dont get me wrong,i like the sport of mma i can understand the appeal as it requires a good allround athlete....but it cannot be compared to boxing on any level,except of course for personal preference. Edited July 26, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Its worth remembering the people who run the sport of " mma "....sold it out long ago,dont forget this was originally sold to the public as " a real fight "....no holds barred ? cage fighting ? no rules fighting ?....they quickly decided against that idea and started to call it mixed martial arts when tv companies refused to air it and certain states banned it......today it has more rules than any other combat sport and is certainly not a real fight.Thats a massive turnaround of the entire sport in around 15 years.....In well over 100 years the rules of boxing have never changed. As for boxers being stopped on cuts.........boxing as a sport is far more dangerous than mma,there is absolutely no comparison between a busted jaw,stitches etc in mma to the permanent brain injuries and deaths that we have sadly seen in the boxing ring. To me ufc/mma is a trend...ive been to a few its like being out on a stag do !....near all the fans are a certain age group,most have the obligatory ufc starter kit of tattoo sleeve and affliction t shirts....and all stand there screaming and doing silly childlike hand gestures.....compare that to the almost eerie silence of a knowledgable boxing crowd at small hall venues like the York Hall and it really puts into perspective the difference in class and tradition differences of the 2 sports.Ufc is nowhere near as popular as boxing,and never will be......look at the simple facts.....Oscar dela Hoya earned twice as much in 1 fight against Mayweather than Chuck Liddell earned in his entire career !....Liddell ( the highest earner in the sport )reportedly earned 10 million in his career.....Dela Hoya earned just under 1 billion !.....Couture/Lesnar earned both fighters a combined total of 700,000......Mayweather/Paquiao ( it it happens ) is likely to earn them 50 million combined. As for boxers fighting spuds........its called learning your trade....something mma fighters dont do because theres no amateur/pro divide......dont get me wrong,i like the sport of mma i can understand the appeal as it requires a good allround athlete....but it cannot be compared to boxing on any level,except of course for personal preference. Obviously you are a boxing fanatic Gnasher but to the average joe public boxing is going downhill. Nobody outside the boxing world wants to hear about the rules and the class, they want to see blood and guts and to be entertained. How many times do you hear people moaning after staying up all night to see a fight stopped for a silly cut or a stoppage when the guy is still clearly trying to defend himself. I remember having a few videos of black and white boxing bouts.....cant remember the fight but i think it was one of the very first televised fights......loads of rounds, guy got his jaw broken in the first round and fought on till whatever round????????? I do believe that MMA will only get stronger and with gyms opening up all over the country people who maybe wouldn't have made a boxer might make a very good MMA fighter..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,062 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) Obviously you are a boxing fanatic Gnasher but to the average joe public boxing is going downhill. Nobody outside the boxing world wants to hear about the rules and the class, they want to see blood and guts and to be entertained. How many times do you hear people moaning after staying up all night to see a fight stopped for a silly cut or a stoppage when the guy is still clearly trying to defend himself. I remember having a few videos of black and white boxing bouts.....cant remember the fight but i think it was one of the very first televised fights......loads of rounds, guy got his jaw broken in the first round and fought on till whatever round????????? I do believe that MMA will only get stronger and with gyms opening up all over the country people who maybe wouldn't have made a boxer might make a very good MMA fighter..... I know a lot of genuine fight fans....but i dont know any who all they want to see is " blood and guts "......if you want to watch blood and guts watch a horror film or go stand outside a nightclub on a friday night..... Genuine fight fans want to see technical ability,guts,athleticsm and every quality that makes a fighter a good one.....blood and guts doesnt even come into it. Your not seriously comparing the stitches a ufc fighter might get to the serious life changing injuries suffered in boxing rings year in year out. " to the average joe public boxing is going downhill " they was saying that in the 50,s then in the 60,s and some folk are still saying it now.......read what i said a future Mayweather/Paquiao fight is expected to earn each man 25 mill and the fight is estimated to gross upwards of 100 million..............where do you think all that money comes from the tooth fairy ?....it comes from the joe public you say dont like boxing anymore......now,compare those $$ figures to ufc.....and theres your answer. Edited July 26, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Obviously you are a boxing fanatic Gnasher but to the average joe public boxing is going downhill. Nobody outside the boxing world wants to hear about the rules and the class, they want to see blood and guts and to be entertained. How many times do you hear people moaning after staying up all night to see a fight stopped for a silly cut or a stoppage when the guy is still clearly trying to defend himself. I remember having a few videos of black and white boxing bouts.....cant remember the fight but i think it was one of the very first televised fights......loads of rounds, guy got his jaw broken in the first round and fought on till whatever round????????? I do believe that MMA will only get stronger and with gyms opening up all over the country people who maybe wouldn't have made a boxer might make a very good MMA fighter..... I know a lot of genuine fight fans....but i dont know any who all they want to see is " blood and guts "......if you want to watch blood and guts watch a horror film or go stand outside a nightclub on a friday night..... Genuine fight fans want to see technical ability,guts,athleticsm and every quality that makes a fighter a good one.....blood and guts doesnt even come into it. Your not seriously comparing the stitches a ufc fighter might get to the serious life changing injuries suffered in boxing rings year in year out. " to the average joe public boxing is going downhill " they was saying that in the 50,s then in the 60,s and some folk are still saying it now.......read what i said a future Mayweather/Paquiao fight is expected to earn each man 25 mill and the fight is estimated to gross upwards of 100 million..............where do you think all that money comes from the tooth fairy ?....it comes from the joe public you say dont like boxing anymore......now,compare those $$ figures to ufc.....and theres your answer. I should have realised every word or phrase i used would be scrutinised with the added which is pretty compulsary with your posts. Are you saying that boxing is better now than it was years ago when a fight was a fight.....? Boxing has been around for centuries so thats maybe where its picked up a fan base.... Maybe i'm talking from a personal level that the entertainment has all but gone, obviously no one else thinks like that......silly me... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I wouldnt criticise mma as a sport,its rules are based around grappling which doesn't appeal to me personally just as im sure boxing doesnt appeal to others. the fact is though athletes like mercer and Toney have proven themselves as boxers more than the mma fighters they come up against have as cage fighters,the main reason being there are a lot more boxers and they tend to be a lot more motivated than other athletes leading to a much bigger talent base. thats why i say they're tarnishing their legacy,people will remember them getting beaten by inferior athletes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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