video on the police.

[scothunter 12,609]

we need to learn and retain our rights (they mean nothing if we dont) but the police should be punished severely for misinforming the public about their rights,and far worse for false arrest,assault,harassment etc that goes with them arresting those who protect their rights.

 

does anyone know of any times the police have been charged for these crimes?

 

Feck me you prattle on about human rights then say cops should be punished different to the man on the street, what about their rights to a fair trial, not be funny mate but you sound like one of anachist idiots who find it funny smashing shop windows and throwing paint all over innocent people.

The cops have a hard job to do, yes some are pratts but where would be without them???

 

where would we be without them?

well we're too unstable atm to be completely without them,but we certainly dont need more than a fraction of what we have imo.

 

of course anyone who abuses a position of trust should be dealt with more harshly (teacher,police constable,traffic warden etc even pcso),as should anyone who violates another persons human rights,but who said they dont get a fair trial.

 

in a stable society whats wrong with anarchy?

 

are you seriously saying that we need less cops?also if im reading you right you are also saying one day we could do without them altogether?you really do hate establishment dont you

[Buch 145]

Ive got no problem with establishment, my whole job is establishment and doing what im told. What i do have a problem with doing what im told for an easy ride. No way. If you dont stand up for yourself ... your rights, you dont deserve them. Thousands have died for your right to live in a free country and no jumped up PCSO or jobsworth copper is going to stick me on a database for no reason. As i said before if you need proof of corruption watch the news for the next copper to go over phone hacking.

 

If some one does something wrong arrest them, if they havnt you cant just bully them and try to take there details. Its pathetic. Pathetic individuals, doing a job badly. Coppers are pricks end of. Id like some one to tell me a story were they have had a good experiance with coppers but i recon the bad experiances out way the good.

[scothunter 12,609]

Ive got no problem with establishment, my whole job is establishment and doing what im told. What i do have a problem with doing what im told for an easy ride. No way. If you dont stand up for yourself ... your rights, you dont deserve them. Thousands have died for your right to live in a free country and no jumped up PCSO or jobsworth copper is going to stick me on a database for no reason. As i said before if you need proof of corruption watch the news for the next copper to go over phone hacking.

 

If some one does something wrong arrest them, if they havnt you cant just bully them and try to take there details. Its pathetic. Pathetic individuals, doing a job badly. Coppers are pricks end of. Id like some one to tell me a story were they have had a good experiance with coppers but i recon the bad experiances out way the good.

 

dont need anyone on here to tell you the good things and compassionate things they do.going to some parents door at the wee hours and telling them thier kid has been killed in a car smash.not to mention the kids found alive,or taking paedos of the streets,the list is endless really.im no cop lover by any means.but im not so blinded by my hatred towards them to realise that it would be one shit state of affairs if they werent around.

 

as for blan saying whats wrong with anarchy.jesus man your f*****g mental

[Buch 145]

Ive got no problem with establishment, my whole job is establishment and doing what im told. What i do have a problem with doing what im told for an easy ride. No way. If you dont stand up for yourself ... your rights, you dont deserve them. Thousands have died for your right to live in a free country and no jumped up PCSO or jobsworth copper is going to stick me on a database for no reason. As i said before if you need proof of corruption watch the news for the next copper to go over phone hacking.

 

If some one does something wrong arrest them, if they havnt you cant just bully them and try to take there details. Its pathetic. Pathetic individuals, doing a job badly. Coppers are pricks end of. Id like some one to tell me a story were they have had a good experiance with coppers but i recon the bad experiances out way the good.

 

dont need anyone on here to tell you the good things and compassionate things they do.going to some parents door at the wee hours and telling them thier kid has been killed in a car smash.not to mention the kids found alive,or taking paedos of the streets,the list is endless really.im no cop lover by any means.but im not so blinded by my hatred towards them to realise that it would be one shit state of affairs if they werent around.

 

as for blan saying whats wrong with anarchy.jesus man your f*****g mental

 

All im saying is ive never see any of these "good things" in action, all ive seen is the bad... does that mean its doesnt happen? No. I just means the coppers have done nothing good for me ever ...

 

In all honestly, back to talking about the guy in the video, how likely is it that a chubby, pale, "geek" is goin to be a terrorist. if hes a nonce arrest him for that. If hes not just let him crack on, use the polices time for important stuff like tracking real pedos down and arresting robbers. Its just easyer to pick on random joe blogs in the street than it is to do real police work.

[undisputed 1,664]

I,m not the biggest fan of the police , but why didn,t he just give his details , he wasn,t taking photos of historic monuments or nice scenic landscapes , he was in the shopping area , he could of been a peadophile or terrorist , and just because he wasn,t he could of understood the concerns it would cause and just give his details ffs ..apologies if it was RFYL

 

maybe he values his human right to privacy and wants to retain it,regardless of what he could or could not of been doing he did not break a single law.

Maybe he should of valued my right as a tax payer not to have my money wasted on tying up police time and recourses , when a name and address wold have settled it .

the police wasted their time and your money not the citizen who wanted to retain his human rights.

 

or should the police be allowed to commit any human rights violations they like if it saves time?

 

how about looking at it this way, 2 blokes out in a shopping centre taking pictures nothing wrong with that i hear you say, next day your wife and children are out in the same shopping centre sudenly there is a load bang just as your wife and children walked past a shop the bomb that was left by the 2 blokes taking inocent photos has blown them to bits, would you still be harping on about their human rights then, no you would want them dead or at best in your gun sights.

 

see the arguement from both sides if they were just trying out their new camera's all well and good and the police would have left it at that, but no they wanted to be obnoxious and try and stick 2 fingers up at the police.

 

whether you like it or not we have to have some honest police who want to help keep people safe we have enough corrupt government and police officials in this country to last us all a life time let the genuine police do their job and cooperate with them if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about if you act like a twat that is how they will treat you.

 

 

 

paul

 

 

People have a short memory of what happens in the UK, remember the Arndale centre in manchester in 1996 when 200 people were injured by a bomb.

I pointed out to someone at the weekend at my work that if they want to take picture of the shopping centre then they need to explain the purpose of the photos and provide some id for us to photocopy for our records, this is part of our anti-terrorism plan. Most people are quite understanding once things are explained to them but now and again you get the complete prick who refuses to do this........so we pass their vehicle details for the police to investigate instead which no doubt is more of an inconvenience than if they had just played by our rules.

 

Are you the security guard that tried to detain the photographer in the shopping mall?

[scothunter 12,609]

well they caught weirdo years ago who was giving my mother weirdo phone calls at all hours,found me in town when i wondered of as a toddler and reunited me with my parents.im sure my mum has a regretted that they did on a few occasions though lol

 

also caught the guy who stuck a gun in my mums face when he was robbing the shop she was the mangeress.turned out it was fake,but she didnt know that shook her up.

Edited July 19, 2011 by scothunter

[blan89 159]

well they caught weirdo years ago who was giving my mother weirdo phone calls at all hours,found me in town when i wondered of as a toddler and reunited me with my parents.im sure my mum has a regretted that they did on a few occasions though lol

 

also caught the guy who stuck a gun in my mums face when he was robbing the shop she was the mangeress.turned out it was fake,but she didnt know that shook her up.

 

any member of the public could of done all those things,in fact the police could of done them all without any special powers.

 

 

yes all the laws i care about can legally be enforced by any citizen,thats why i think we need far less police.

in a stable society what is wrong with anarchy?

[scothunter 12,609]

well they caught weirdo years ago who was giving my mother weirdo phone calls at all hours,found me in town when i wondered of as a toddler and reunited me with my parents.im sure my mum has a regretted that they did on a few occasions though lol

 

also caught the guy who stuck a gun in my mums face when he was robbing the shop she was the mangeress.turned out it was fake,but she didnt know that shook her up.

 

any member of the public could of done all those things,in fact the police could of done them all without any special powers.

 

 

yes all the laws i care about can legally be enforced by any citizen,thats why i think we need far less police.

in a stable society what is wrong with anarchy?

 

didnt know that members of the public could tap into the telephone exchange to trace a call.blan you are delving into the realms of fantasy mate.whats wrong with anarchy you ask.eh quite a f*****g lot actually.so you would be quite happy living in a lawless country.instead of your neighbours hating you for chaining up your dogs and reporting you to the rspca like you have said.in your f****d up world,they could just come around and burn your house to the ground with you in it.

 

ah f**k paying for our shopping were just gonna take it,no c**t pays bills we settle arhuments by just killing people who piss us off,i would give it 6months and this country would be a war zone.anarchy lmao your no right mate

[blan89 159]

well they caught weirdo years ago who was giving my mother weirdo phone calls at all hours,found me in town when i wondered of as a toddler and reunited me with my parents.im sure my mum has a regretted that they did on a few occasions though lol

 

also caught the guy who stuck a gun in my mums face when he was robbing the shop she was the mangeress.turned out it was fake,but she didnt know that shook her up.

 

any member of the public could of done all those things,in fact the police could of done them all without any special powers.

 

 

yes all the laws i care about can legally be enforced by any citizen,thats why i think we need far less police.

in a stable society what is wrong with anarchy?

 

didnt know that members of the public could tap into the telephone exchange to trace a call.blan you are delving into the realms of fantasy mate.whats wrong with anarchy you ask.eh quite a f*****g lot actually.so you would be quite happy living in a lawless country.instead of your neighbours hating you for chaining up your dogs and reporting you to the rspca like you have said.in your f****d up world,they could just come around and burn your house to the ground with you in it.

 

ah f**k paying for our shopping were just gonna take it,no c**t pays bills we settle arhuments by just killing people who piss us off,i would give it 6months and this country would be a war zone.anarchy lmao your no right mate

 

well you've clearly thought that through,i mean look at Belgium its worse than the green zone.

 

and yes why could a court order not just be given to anyone judged by his peers to have sufficient reason? I'd prefer a private investigator to deal with any crime committed against me than a police officer who has no interest in anything other than boosting his/her quotas.

Edited July 19, 2011 by blan89

[blan89 159]

well they caught weirdo years ago who was giving my mother weirdo phone calls at all hours,found me in town when i wondered of as a toddler and reunited me with my parents.im sure my mum has a regretted that they did on a few occasions though lol

 

also caught the guy who stuck a gun in my mums face when he was robbing the shop she was the mangeress.turned out it was fake,but she didnt know that shook her up.

 

any member of the public could of done all those things,in fact the police could of done them all without any special powers.

 

 

yes all the laws i care about can legally be enforced by any citizen,thats why i think we need far less police.

in a stable society what is wrong with anarchy?

 

didnt know that members of the public could tap into the telephone exchange to trace a call.blan you are delving into the realms of fantasy mate.whats wrong with anarchy you ask.eh quite a f*****g lot actually.so you would be quite happy living in a lawless country.instead of your neighbours hating you for chaining up your dogs and reporting you to the rspca like you have said.in your f****d up world,they could just come around and burn your house to the ground with you in it.

 

ah f**k paying for our shopping were just gonna take it,no c**t pays bills we settle arhuments by just killing people who piss us off,i would give it 6months and this country would be a war zone.anarchy lmao your no right mate

 

although your version of anarchism does sounds more fun than the real one,maybe just for a week or so,that'd be enough time to blow up every rspca center in the country i think.

 

and Brian May,i wonder what he'd look like tied with his hair on fire.

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

In my eyes he didnt make a dick of himself. He didnt nothing wrong. The police wanted his infomation without a good legal reason. He didnt give it so they arrested him for a jumped up reason ... and got his details that way ... the realeased him without charge. What does that say about the situation to you? To me its abuse of power or the use of power they shouldnt have. Your pick. Ive had plenty dealings with the police and if your saying the best way to deal with them is to "tell them what they want to hear and let them get on there way" then unfortunatly your totaly deluded. The default should always be tell the police nothing. Nothing. The police are they to protect the public as a whole not an individual. "You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence". "Anything you do say may be given in evidence". Evidence against you. The police will never listen to what you say and then think to them selves crikey yer this bloke seems like a decent chap i dont think he did it. If the police can stiff you with a crime then they will.

 

 

 

How naive !.....for the sake of spending 3 minutes with a copper and answering 2 questions....he actually spent 6 hours with them in an ol bill shop and most probably answered a lot more than 2 questions......

Had he not been an attention seeking twat he would have give his name and address.....with no warrants or what not he,d have been sent on his way............but no.

Now lets say he did happen to have something to hide,he could have got away with 2 simple Q & A,s......yet now they are starting to look into his life and what he,s all about......all of a sudden that stolen generator in his garage has become an issue that otherwise didnt need to be.

If its a case of being a smartypants hero or being sensible..........sorry but sensible wins hands down for me.

And besides....if they got his details anyway then what was the point in the whole thing he just wasted 6 hours on something that could have taken 3 minutes.

 

i can understand your mind set,but its the here and now path of least resistance that your thinking,do you not think the police will use these powers more often if they feel they can get away with it?

 

the precedent has to be set that abusing these powers (and even having them)is not acceptable,the police and the laws they uphold have far too much power over our lives,people need to have the courage to stand up to them for the precedent to be set,not to sound condescending but i dont think your going to understand no matter how i put it.

 

.....silly me i just dont understand

Blan my guess is your still a young lad,and i dont mean by reference to 89 being your dob......Not to be giving a " during the war " type of speech....but hopefully if your smart you will steer clear of police and therefore have no reason to have an opinion on them..........however if the time comes when they are in your life you will clearly see that the easy way is the smart way !......A policeman is a criminals enemy....a criminal is a policemans enemy....there dont need to be a silly " i hate coppers " attitude.....you dont hate bunnies do you but on a night out with the dogs they may well be your enemy.....like anything you learn to respect your enemy,the more you understand the way they work the easier opponent they become........this silly "stamping the feet and having the courage to stand up to them " did what for the man in that video exactly ?...no he didnt get charged but are we to believe he walked out of the plod shop having still not giving his details ?.....course he gave them,so what exactly did he stand up to,nothing ! He should have either gone all the way or not at all but 6 hours later he had clearly had enough.....he proved absolutely nothing other than he was bookworm smartypants.

As for what " good " you have seen the police do.....well what " good " should they be doing their not their for your pleasure or entertainment......personally ive never been treated bad by them and any shit thats come my way i deserved...im sure sometimes they overstep the mark but they are human beings doing a tough job...a job we as civilians have to accept they make certain judgement calls as they are qualified to do the job and we,re not.

Nothing worse in my book than someone getting nicked then sitting whingeing about how unfair it all is.....whether you or i like it or not....the police are an essential part of our communities....to not have them is just plain ludicrous.

[blan89 159]

 

In my eyes he didnt make a dick of himself. He didnt nothing wrong. The police wanted his infomation without a good legal reason. He didnt give it so they arrested him for a jumped up reason ... and got his details that way ... the realeased him without charge. What does that say about the situation to you? To me its abuse of power or the use of power they shouldnt have. Your pick. Ive had plenty dealings with the police and if your saying the best way to deal with them is to "tell them what they want to hear and let them get on there way" then unfortunatly your totaly deluded. The default should always be tell the police nothing. Nothing. The police are they to protect the public as a whole not an individual. "You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence". "Anything you do say may be given in evidence". Evidence against you. The police will never listen to what you say and then think to them selves crikey yer this bloke seems like a decent chap i dont think he did it. If the police can stiff you with a crime then they will.

 

 

 

How naive !.....for the sake of spending 3 minutes with a copper and answering 2 questions....he actually spent 6 hours with them in an ol bill shop and most probably answered a lot more than 2 questions......

Had he not been an attention seeking twat he would have give his name and address.....with no warrants or what not he,d have been sent on his way............but no.

Now lets say he did happen to have something to hide,he could have got away with 2 simple Q & A,s......yet now they are starting to look into his life and what he,s all about......all of a sudden that stolen generator in his garage has become an issue that otherwise didnt need to be.

If its a case of being a smartypants hero or being sensible..........sorry but sensible wins hands down for me.

And besides....if they got his details anyway then what was the point in the whole thing he just wasted 6 hours on something that could have taken 3 minutes.

 

i can understand your mind set,but its the here and now path of least resistance that your thinking,do you not think the police will use these powers more often if they feel they can get away with it?

 

the precedent has to be set that abusing these powers (and even having them)is not acceptable,the police and the laws they uphold have far too much power over our lives,people need to have the courage to stand up to them for the precedent to be set,not to sound condescending but i dont think your going to understand no matter how i put it.

 

.....silly me i just dont understand

Blan my guess is your still a young lad,and i dont mean by reference to 89 being your dob......Not to be giving a " during the war " type of speech....but hopefully if your smart you will steer clear of police and therefore have no reason to have an opinion on them..........however if the time comes when they are in your life you will clearly see that the easy way is the smart way !......A policeman is a criminals enemy....a criminal is a policemans enemy....there dont need to be a silly " i hate coppers " attitude.....you dont hate bunnies do you but on a night out with the dogs they may well be your enemy.....like anything you learn to respect your enemy,the more you understand the way they work the easier opponent they become........this silly "stamping the feet and having the courage to stand up to them " did what for the man in that video exactly ?...no he didnt get charged but are we to believe he walked out of the plod shop having still not giving his details ?.....course he gave them,so what exactly did he stand up to,nothing ! He should have either gone all the way or not at all but 6 hours later he had clearly had enough.....he proved absolutely nothing other than he was bookworm smartypants.

As for what " good " you have seen the police do.....well what " good " should they be doing their not their for your pleasure or entertainment......personally ive never been treated bad by them and any shit thats come my way i deserved...im sure sometimes they overstep the mark but they are human beings doing a tough job...a job we as civilians have to accept they make certain judgement calls as they are qualified to do the job and we,re not.

Nothing worse in my book than someone getting nicked then sitting whingeing about how unfair it all is.....whether you or i like it or not....the police are an essential part of our communities....to not have them is just plain ludicrous.

 

the only laws i care for in this country's common law,where i can be arrested by any member of the public if I infringe it,at best the police should only be here to enforce those laws and ensure arrests are processed properly.

 

im not a criminal in the mind of any reasonable person,i dont break any common laws,allowing the precedent to be set that police can violate any of our human rights and get away with it will be pushed further that's just human nature,its these sort of decisions that shape society imo and on principle i dont want to lie down to that.

 

like I said mate different mind sets,you want to get away with things here and now or go about your business here and now relatively undisturbed (and what you said would achieve this),i want to slow down the rise of this police state in the unlikely hope that it buys enough time for us to find a solution.

[foxfan 479]

Hmm, how to restore people's faith in the police, the problem seems to have arisen since the police were required to meet 'targets' This led to them picking easy targets such as motorists and otherwise law abiding people who have fallen foul of some statute or other, in the main they abandoned much real police work, lets face it, now many of them are nothing more than revenue collectors.

They need to get back to real police work to regain the respect and help of the public.

[blan89 159]

Hmm, how to restore people's faith in the police, the problem seems to have arisen since the police were required to meet 'targets' This led to them picking easy targets such as motorists and otherwise law abiding people who have fallen foul of some statute or other, in the main they abandoned much real police work, lets face it, now many of them are nothing more than revenue collectors.

They need to get back to real police work to regain the respect and help of the public.

 

tbh ive got nothing against police personally,im sure some of them are actually well intentioned.

 

But society would be a lot better off without having so many and without them having any 'special powers' imo.

[gnasher16 30,121]

allowing the precedent to be set that police can violate any of our human rights and get away with it

 

Its only a violation of your human rights if thats what you as an individual take it to be..............to most people being asked your details by a copper after acting suspiciously is basic common procedure that you accept like a grown up.........unless of course you happen to be an attention seeker who is happy to spend 6 hours doing exactly the same thing that could have taken 3 minutes,while making a video of it of course