video on the police.

[BI9JOHNNY 25]

im not a great fan of the cops,but anything that helps in the fight of terrorisim i accept.even if it is a inconvience to me.

 

would you forgo your human right to privacy because the police dont like that you are filming a public place despite the fact it isn't illegal?

 

tbh i dont see how that pertains to terrorism anyway,if a terrorist wanted to get photo's of an area they would do it one way or the other.

so do you think it is right to forgo your right to privacy whilst out shopping with your children and it's fine for any tom to take pictures of you and your family without your consent

and i say this as a street photographer with years of experience.....he was a geek who obviously has something to hide....maybe...if he doesn't then why not cooperate am sure if some big brute came along and took his camera off him he would be screaming to cooperate with the police then...

 

A geek who had something to hide? That rediculous. Ok then arrest any one wearing trackies because there going to beat up grannies, arrest anyone with a decentish car because there drug dealers, arrest any one with a laptop because there into kiddie porn, arrest any one with a screwdriver because there after robbing some ones house.

 

Theres a differance to some bloke walking after you taking loads of pictures over and over, harasing you, and a bloke who snaps a picture of your kid getting a bar of chocolate off a bloke in a Father Christmas outfit. If youve got a problem with being in peoples photos then you live in the wrong country kida, because every one carries a camera around with them in there pockets and sooner or later you might happen to be in a nice picture of Nelsons column or a exiting picture of a bloke out walking his nice looking and fast dogs.

 

What the hell if youve got nothing to hide why dont you go to the coppers and get them to put a anklet thing on so they know were you are at all times ... never know it might help in there anti-terrorism investigations.

i will take it the expression of KIDA means you are living in cloud cookoo land the other side of the water where most camera's are either owned by crimewatch or are taking pics of your better half for internet fun lololol grow up FELLA

[rob190364 2,594]

Check this one out....this is pretty bad...

 

[blan89 159]

 

In my eyes he didnt make a dick of himself. He didnt nothing wrong. The police wanted his infomation without a good legal reason. He didnt give it so they arrested him for a jumped up reason ... and got his details that way ... the realeased him without charge. What does that say about the situation to you? To me its abuse of power or the use of power they shouldnt have. Your pick. Ive had plenty dealings with the police and if your saying the best way to deal with them is to "tell them what they want to hear and let them get on there way" then unfortunatly your totaly deluded. The default should always be tell the police nothing. Nothing. The police are they to protect the public as a whole not an individual. "You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence". "Anything you do say may be given in evidence". Evidence against you. The police will never listen to what you say and then think to them selves crikey yer this bloke seems like a decent chap i dont think he did it. If the police can stiff you with a crime then they will.

 

 

 

How naive !.....for the sake of spending 3 minutes with a copper and answering 2 questions....he actually spent 6 hours with them in an ol bill shop and most probably answered a lot more than 2 questions......

Had he not been an attention seeking twat he would have give his name and address.....with no warrants or what not he,d have been sent on his way............but no.

Now lets say he did happen to have something to hide,he could have got away with 2 simple Q & A,s......yet now they are starting to look into his life and what he,s all about......all of a sudden that stolen generator in his garage has become an issue that otherwise didnt need to be.

If its a case of being a smartypants hero or being sensible..........sorry but sensible wins hands down for me.

And besides....if they got his details anyway then what was the point in the whole thing he just wasted 6 hours on something that could have taken 3 minutes.

 

i can understand your mind set,but its the here and now path of least resistance that your thinking,do you not think the police will use these powers more often if they feel they can get away with it?

 

the precedent has to be set that abusing these powers (and even having them)is not acceptable,the police and the laws they uphold have far too much power over our lives,people need to have the courage to stand up to them for the precedent to be set,not to sound condescending but i dont think your going to understand no matter how i put it.

[Buch 145]

No I said kida because your acting like a kid. Its not a simple situation but your over simplifying it. It boils down to if your happy to give your personal details out to people who you should be able to trust, but actualy cant. I wouldnt trust a copper as far as i could throw em, ive not had a good experiance with em. Like i said, ive been told of these magical "decent" coppers but ive never met one. If you need proof of police coruption you only need to look at the front pages of tomorrows papers.

 

On the subject of how would you feel if family were blown up and the terrorists wernt spotted as far as im concerned if my rights are so erroded by the fact i cant take pictures of a bloke in a santa outfit then the terrorist have already won.

[blan89 159]

No I said kida because your acting like a kid. Its not a simple situation but your over simplifying it. It boils down to if your happy to give your personal details out to people who you should be able to trust, but actualy cant. I wouldnt trust a copper as far as i could throw em, ive not had a good experiance with em. Like i said, ive been told of these magical "decent" coppers but ive never met one. If you need proof of police coruption you only need to look at the front pages of tomorrows papers.

 

On the subject of how would you feel if family were blown up and the terrorists wernt spotted as far as im concerned if my rights are so erroded by the fact i cant take pictures of a bloke in a santa outfit then the terrorist have already won.

 

thats very true,aside from the fact their was never a real investigation into 7/7 and assuming who we're told done it did indeed do it,does anyone really think in a crowded place even a complete moron could not go undiscovered filming covertly?

[artic 595]

Who knows how they were taking photos.

 

If the area was a authorised area under the The Terrorism Act, then the officers can stop and also search members of the public who are taking photos. Discretion? Yes it should be used. Their police powers should be used proportionately, and not really target photographers.

 

That member of the public in my eyes was being obstructive, and the female police officer needs to go back to police academy. There were plenty of powers she could of used to end that tomfoolery.

 

[Qbgrey 4,091]

that prat got to much time on his hands,going out to wind the old bill up,notice we didnt see how or what he was taking pics of,could of been taking photos of the cctv,familys,kids,etc,then he goes and bores us with a f...k 10 min video of pure shit.if he was takin pics of my kids id be wanting to know why,if theres lots of people taking pics of family standing in front of a monument then fair enough,not just random photos of people with no relation to him.

[twobob 1,497]

No I said kida because your acting like a kid. Its not a simple situation but your over simplifying it. It boils down to if your happy to give your personal details out to people who you should be able to trust, but actualy cant. I wouldnt trust a copper as far as i could throw em, ive not had a good experiance with em. Like i said, ive been told of these magical "decent" coppers but ive never met one. If you need proof of police coruption you only need to look at the front pages of tomorrows papers.

 

On the subject of how would you feel if family were blown up and the terrorists wernt spotted as far as im concerned if my rights are so erroded by the fact i cant take pictures of a bloke in a santa outfit then the terrorist have already won.

 

thats very true,aside from the fact their was never a real investigation into 7/7 and assuming who we're told done it did indeed do it,does anyone really think in a crowded place even a complete moron could not go undiscovered filming covertly?

its nothing new mate the coppers doing as they like ask any one about the miners strike where you would get stopped thrown against a van smacked in the face before they asked what you were doing,stopped you from travelling and turned you round smashed the windows on cars.

[foxfan 479]

Everything you need to know about the police. (you will need a good attention span)

 

http://www.tpuc.org/content/police_private_political_army

[blan89 159]

Everything you need to know about the police. (you will need a good attention span)

 

http://www.tpuc.org/content/police_private_political_army

 

every time i see your avatar i get a stronger urge to click on it.

[Bradford Lad 74]

we need to learn and retain our rights (they mean nothing if we dont) but the police should be punished severely for misinforming the public about their rights,and far worse for false arrest,assault,harassment etc that goes with them arresting those who protect their rights.

 

does anyone know of any times the police have been charged for these crimes?

 

Feck me you prattle on about human rights then say cops should be punished different to the man on the street, what about their rights to a fair trial, not be funny mate but you sound like one of anachist idiots who find it funny smashing shop windows and throwing paint all over innocent people.

The cops have a hard job to do, yes some are pratts but where would be without them???

[undisputed 1,664]

I,m not the biggest fan of the police , but why didn,t he just give his details , he wasn,t taking photos of historic monuments or nice scenic landscapes , he was in the shopping area , he could of been a peadophile or terrorist , and just because he wasn,t he could of understood the concerns it would cause and just give his details ffs ..apologies if it was RFYL

 

maybe he values his human right to privacy and wants to retain it,regardless of what he could or could not of been doing he did not break a single law.

Maybe he should of valued my right as a tax payer not to have my money wasted on tying up police time and recourses , when a name and address wold have settled it .

 

 

Maybe the Police should have thought of that when they held him for all those hours then released him without charge. The thing I dont get is the notion that for a quiet life you should just go along with what your being asked to do just like sheep. Dont think, just do what your told. There's a follow up vid on utube were they have a senior police officer in admitting that it was an abuse of power and shouldn't have happened. Most photographers if asked will not take your pic and any that harrass you or refuse you can report to the police or if there's none around kick him in the nuts

[blan89 159]

we need to learn and retain our rights (they mean nothing if we dont) but the police should be punished severely for misinforming the public about their rights,and far worse for false arrest,assault,harassment etc that goes with them arresting those who protect their rights.

 

does anyone know of any times the police have been charged for these crimes?

 

Feck me you prattle on about human rights then say cops should be punished different to the man on the street, what about their rights to a fair trial, not be funny mate but you sound like one of anachist idiots who find it funny smashing shop windows and throwing paint all over innocent people.

The cops have a hard job to do, yes some are pratts but where would be without them???

 

where would we be without them?

well we're too unstable atm to be completely without them,but we certainly dont need more than a fraction of what we have imo.

 

of course anyone who abuses a position of trust should be dealt with more harshly (teacher,police constable,traffic warden etc even pcso),as should anyone who violates another persons human rights,but who said they dont get a fair trial.

 

in a stable society whats wrong with anarchy?

[dave1372 83]

like someone else commented,wait till the next 7/7 and then finding out the cops didnt approach anyone cause it could be construed to be breaching thier rights.this whole topic is being taken out of concept.if a cop asks you your name and what your doing,answer him,by all means ask him to explain his concern for approching you.comming back with a load of old tosh about your civil rights and refusing to give your name,well is quite frankly childish.also i might add 9times out of 10 the people who bleat about civil liberties are the same unwashed c**ts who smash up cities and businesses and break into animal testing labs.

 

i will even go one better,i think this country is to soft when it comes to how you deal with people.how many little arseholes are taken on free holidays and such,or most on here bleat about how soft jails are,cant have it both ways.

 

Well said that man

[dave1372 83]

I,m not the biggest fan of the police , but why didn,t he just give his details , he wasn,t taking photos of historic monuments or nice scenic landscapes , he was in the shopping area , he could of been a peadophile or terrorist , and just because he wasn,t he could of understood the concerns it would cause and just give his details ffs ..apologies if it was RFYL

 

maybe he values his human right to privacy and wants to retain it,regardless of what he could or could not of been doing he did not break a single law.

Maybe he should of valued my right as a tax payer not to have my money wasted on tying up police time and recourses , when a name and address wold have settled it .

the police wasted their time and your money not the citizen who wanted to retain his human rights.

 

or should the police be allowed to commit any human rights violations they like if it saves time?

 

how about looking at it this way, 2 blokes out in a shopping centre taking pictures nothing wrong with that i hear you say, next day your wife and children are out in the same shopping centre sudenly there is a load bang just as your wife and children walked past a shop the bomb that was left by the 2 blokes taking inocent photos has blown them to bits, would you still be harping on about their human rights then, no you would want them dead or at best in your gun sights.

 

see the arguement from both sides if they were just trying out their new camera's all well and good and the police would have left it at that, but no they wanted to be obnoxious and try and stick 2 fingers up at the police.

 

whether you like it or not we have to have some honest police who want to help keep people safe we have enough corrupt government and police officials in this country to last us all a life time let the genuine police do their job and cooperate with them if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about if you act like a twat that is how they will treat you.

 

 

 

paul

 

 

People have a short memory of what happens in the UK, remember the Arndale centre in manchester in 1996 when 200 people were injured by a bomb.

I pointed out to someone at the weekend at my work that if they want to take picture of the shopping centre then they need to explain the purpose of the photos and provide some id for us to photocopy for our records, this is part of our anti-terrorism plan. Most people are quite understanding once things are explained to them but now and again you get the complete prick who refuses to do this........so we pass their vehicle details for the police to investigate instead which no doubt is more of an inconvenience than if they had just played by our rules.