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[Guest dee mac]

  On 15/07/2011 at 21:39, micheal rennicks said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:44, liamdelaney said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:29, micheal rennicks said:

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

exactly that mick prob of the mute hard reckless type that i mentioned that you d rather have out quick before the thing gets messy i think the man your thinking off also dug his young dog of 18 months 3 times in the one day and in several big places over a period of time too were there was no panic and everything was at a more pleasurable pace because the dog had a brain and did also drop one of his dogs in one of the biggest earths that you may know and dug a very nice fox and in your words THATS FIRST TIME I VE DUG THIS PLACE .

[liamdelaney 2,587]

  On 15/07/2011 at 21:39, micheal rennicks said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:44, liamdelaney said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:29, micheal rennicks said:

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

 

Once he gets him in a stop end the good dog keeps him there(regardless of size)Whats your point about the man digging we have all seen them he has a shite dog and he knows it but does not want anybody else to know.Any class dog could have a bad day but if he made a habit of it his day would get worse FOR HIM. I dont understand the bit about the to well fed.

[smasher 1,055]

I would say the 'GOOD DOGS' of today are no better or worse than those of yester year,just better equipment available now,having said that i would say there is a higher percentage of shite about now,with lads breeding for the wrong reasons,a good dog is a good dog no matter what eara it is from

[donnyc 1,203]

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:51, hunt said:

So here's food fir thought donny you've been involved with terriers for a long tIme are your dogs better now than then in the so called halcyon days

NO..they are not ..They have been adapted to the current situations regarding temperament workstyle and the legislation

[alan626 305]

the dogs back then had plenty of time to settle wit there brock before the lad even knew where his dog was the dogs in the hole today is only there 5 mins and all ready the quarry can hear the spades coming and the bar being pushed trough so if he has being dug enough times he knows wat to do and he will put presure on the dog and push him back , i think some of the lads of today just dont give the dogs enough time to settle and are quick to make a judgement that its a bad dog JMO

[micheal rennicks 17]

  On 15/07/2011 at 21:50, dee mac said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 21:39, micheal rennicks said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:44, liamdelaney said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:29, micheal rennicks said:

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

exactly that mick prob of the mute hard reckless type that i mentioned that you d rather have out quick before the thing gets messy i think the man your thinking off also dug his young dog of 18 months 3 times in the one day and in several big places over a period of time too were there was no panic and everything was at a more pleasurable pace because the dog had a brain and did also drop one of his dogs in one of the biggest earths that you may know and dug a very nice fox and in your words THATS FIRST TIME I VE DUG THIS PLACE .

is that the one where ye lost or didnt have a pick.i personally dont want them out quick my view is the little bit of time will hopefully get them to bark more,as for that young dog your on to a good thing.more space in the van now for other stuff.less dogs to bring.

[donnyc 1,203]

  On 15/07/2011 at 22:20, alan626 said:

the dogs back then had plenty of time to settle wit there brock before the lad even knew where his dog was the dogs in the hole today is only there 5 mins and all ready the quarry can hear the spades coming and the bar being pushed trough so if he has being dug enough times he knows wat to do and he will put presure on the dog and push him back , i think some of the lads of today just dont give the dogs enough time to settle and are quick to make a judgement that its a bad dog JMO

 

That last sentence is so so true .Too much rushing in .Better have a cuppa and a smoke then think about getting the tools out

[micheal rennicks 17]

  On 15/07/2011 at 21:56, liamdelaney said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 21:39, micheal rennicks said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:44, liamdelaney said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:29, micheal rennicks said:

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

 

Once he gets him in a stop end the good dog keeps him there(regardless of size)Whats your point about the man digging we have all seen them he has a shite dog and he knows it but does not want anybody else to know.Any class dog could have a bad day but if he made a habit of it his day would get worse FOR HIM. I dont understand the bit about the to well fed.

your words any class dog has a bad day,making habit of it we all know the ending there.im just saying these animals are just trying to get away from you.have you ever and i doubt it come across one that is coming to meet the dog at the entrance,i have and im telling you they put back the hardest or brainest dogs.that mans dog was very good in fairnest nothing shite about it,just waiting for it to settle didnt happen that day prob not relevant to you.being well fed big dogs is all i mentioned in my first post so for you to come the conclusion they were shite baffles me.being good and strong doesnt mean braindead just it makes it harder for stuff to get around them.holding them is bit easier too.we beg to differ.

[Guest dee mac]

  On 15/07/2011 at 22:22, micheal rennicks said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 21:50, dee mac said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 21:39, micheal rennicks said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:44, liamdelaney said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:29, micheal rennicks said:

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

exactly that mick prob of the mute hard reckless type that i mentioned that you d rather have out quick before the thing gets messy i think the man your thinking off also dug his young dog of 18 months 3 times in the one day and in several big places over a period of time too were there was no panic and everything was at a more pleasurable pace because the dog had a brain and did also drop one of his dogs in one of the biggest earths that you may know and dug a very nice fox and in your words THATS FIRST TIME I VE DUG THIS PLACE .

is that the one where ye lost or didnt have a pick.i personally dont want them out quick my view is the little bit of time will hopefully get them to bark more,as for that young dog your on to a good thing.more space in the van now for other stuff.less dogs to bring.

no the one that had no pick was nt nothing too do with him im afraid that was nt his dog as for space you need a few dogs too get plenty of digging but you can have an empty van if your mates have plenty of digging dogs and are happy too just do the digging. but your right in what your saying its time in the ground that makes them and nice too see the one s you breed come good it a nice old feeling eh mick

[fat man 4,741]

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:43, hunt said:

But stuff was pts so therefore uneducated I'd say years ago not many were let run

Again hunt that was down to the individual,some were maybe pts but a lot were bagged and used for the trials and then released.Back then was the same as now,keep killing the game and sooner or later it will be hard to find game.

[micheal rennicks 17]

  On 15/07/2011 at 22:39, dee mac said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 22:22, micheal rennicks said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 21:50, dee mac said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 21:39, micheal rennicks said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:44, liamdelaney said:

  On 15/07/2011 at 20:29, micheal rennicks said:

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

exactly that mick prob of the mute hard reckless type that i mentioned that you d rather have out quick before the thing gets messy i think the man your thinking off also dug his young dog of 18 months 3 times in the one day and in several big places over a period of time too were there was no panic and everything was at a more pleasurable pace because the dog had a brain and did also drop one of his dogs in one of the biggest earths that you may know and dug a very nice fox and in your words THATS FIRST TIME I VE DUG THIS PLACE .

is that the one where ye lost or didnt have a pick.i personally dont want them out quick my view is the little bit of time will hopefully get them to bark more,as for that young dog your on to a good thing.more space in the van now for other stuff.less dogs to bring.

no the one that had no pick was nt nothing too do with him im afraid that was nt his dog as for space you need a few dogs too get plenty of digging but you can have an empty van if your mates have plenty of digging dogs and are happy too just do the digging. but your right in what your saying its time in the ground that makes them and nice too see the one s you breed come good it a nice old feeling eh mick

we all have to start somewhere you forget that as for the digging i love it,putting the spade into the ground no hangover with like minded people gives me great satifaction.up at 7 out for 8 full day nearly done at 12,lots of different spots with the mates top class dogs. .pups of my own to run on ya cant beat it.not have to listen to dung priceless.no messers dogs up to there game not 3 foot back,nice feeling ehh dee.

[fat man 4,741]

Nothing as good as seeing a young dog do the buisness for the first time,priceless.

[Butler 396]

You make it sound like back in the day every dig lasted for hours.....................not true. Yes some could but what most forget is alot of the earths that can be worked these days because of locators, were swerved with a capital "S" back in the day also.

[hunt 30]

There's still a good few folk swerving these days too lol

[fat man 4,741]

  On 16/07/2011 at 00:07, Butler said:

You make it sound like back in the day every dig lasted for hours.....................not true. Yes some could but what most forget is alot of the earths that can be worked these days because of locators, were swerved with a capital "S" back in the day also.

Ive already said that there was a lot of places a terrier could not be tried for obvious reasons..eg..too deep,but even the earths they did do a dog was longer in the ground than a dog with locater on.Not easy locate a terrier to ground in a 6ft hole without a collar and maybe it windy aswell,no matter how good a sounder it is.We were often a couple of hours before you would get even the slightest mark on a dog,then you had to try and pin point where it was coming from.The locater was a brilliant invention,and what no one has mentioned it has imo saved the lives of a lot of good dogs simply because you are able to dig to them in less time which could avoid a dog been smoothered or killed to ground.