Quality

[fat man 4,741]

would you say we have better quality because of the modern technology we have?

either way, a terrier is exspected to see the job through both today and in the past.

if anything, id say the majority saying we have better quality today because they look nicer and to 'some', looks sell and win rosettes/trophys, which in turn,adds more to the price of a stud or litter of pups. in the world of show enthusiasts, rarely do you hear of pups going free, unlike that of the working side..

 

the lines of old,the true lines are slowly vanishing due to outcrosses to produce a better looking terrier and due to wanting to create ones own lines.

 

READ THE POSTS.How could we have better quality because of the technology when a dog is located in five minutes.

maybe so but to waste a full day on locating a dog and then digging him out equals one dog one dig th elocator now gives the chance for multiple digs in a day therefore the dogs are getting more game and in my eyes better tested the so called heroic old time digging men where nine times out of ten digging multiple dogs FACT

Hunt could you explain how a dog in the ground for an hour is better tested than a dog thats in the ground all day,in my mind its time in the ground that tests a dog,especially if its game thats been dug before.

[EVERYDOGHASHISDAY 9]

So you have a tube that is a few feet around ,and game that has seen it all before ,very few dogs will keep that in one place over a long period of time , In my opinion as long as the dog doesnt walk out ,but stays in contact with it all the time ,the dogs a good one, one swallow dont make a summer.JMHO

[tinytiger 831]

would you say we have better quality because of the modern technology we have?

either way, a terrier is exspected to see the job through both today and in the past.

if anything, id say the majority saying we have better quality today because they look nicer and to 'some', looks sell and win rosettes/trophys, which in turn,adds more to the price of a stud or litter of pups. in the world of show enthusiasts, rarely do you hear of pups going free, unlike that of the working side..

 

the lines of old,the true lines are slowly vanishing due to outcrosses to produce a better looking terrier and due to wanting to create ones own lines.

 

READ THE POSTS.How could we have better quality because of the technology when a dog is located in five minutes.

maybe so but to waste a full day on locating a dog and then digging him out equals one dog one dig th elocator now gives the chance for multiple digs in a day therefore the dogs are getting more game and in my eyes better tested the so called heroic old time digging men where nine times out of ten digging multiple dogs FACT

Hunt could you explain how a dog in the ground for an hour is better tested than a dog thats in the ground all day,in my mind its time in the ground that tests a dog,especially if its game thats been dug before.

theres nothing like finally breaking through to a dog at 2 in the morning with your back broke after thinking they were probably dead

Edited August 3, 2011 by tinytiger

[hunt 30]

fatman i aggree a good dig that lasts the day is whats its all about but with the collars of today and a good team of digging men you can soon shift some muck and that is on educated game i understand your no mug and more than likely have anything in your kennel that is either i like you enjoy digging everything is released if at all possible and the dogs are tested there is no free ride here in my pens but we are getting away from the subject even with a collar a dog can be in the ground all day some times more single handedly years ago they were doubled up when worked without a collar the quality of dogs moved up a level when the collars were invented look at all the books at alll the so called big named terriers from old wilkinsons rip hardastys turk they were all in pretty good shape considering they were so called heroic standard dogs everything was killed there was no let him run we will dig him again these dogs in my opinion wouldnt of stood the pace when faced with educated stuff as for the quote of everydoghasits days if your dog is shoved out the way and wont see it through to the end then it is no good mate sadly no matter how hard the job is the dog should see it through ive seen the stuff time and time again and im sure the likes of fatman have to come and meet the dog any little chink in the armour of the dog is tested only the strong survive the proper operator will buckle down and show him who is boss and you will get a result

[laner 6]

the invention of the locator was a great thing but i also think its made poor terriers look good and great terriers look average,

[fat man 4,741]

Hunt i agree that with the invention of the locator things have changed for the better,ie,not as many dogs lost to ground and no need for goin around with your ear stuck to the ground trying to sound a dog,but as far as there been better standard of dogs about ,i have to agree with laner that the locator has made bad dogs look good and top class dogs look moderate.How many terriers will do an hour to ground and be dug to week in week out using the locator,but the same terriers ask them to do 3 or 4 hours to ground and there out behind your arse and had enough.I know that there are dogs that do long spells in the ground even with the locator,but as far as quality of terriers go i personally think the dogs of today are no better than the ones from back pre locator.I know and have dug with and still do men that are at the game well over 50year and i never seen them double up,as for books i think people read too much in to what there reading in some of these,i judge a dog by what it does in the ground when im on the dig with it working,and as any of the lads i dig with would tell you im not behind at telling them a dog is shite if i think it is.As i have said before the locator was a great invention for the terrierman and for the terrier,i would not put a dog to ground without it but it does not make a terrier a better dog.jmho.

[hunt 30]

It's all down to the standard of the man who owns the dog the one hour wonder dog to some are all they require but to a committed digging man they wouldn't waste feeding the same dog there put down in my opinion if your committed your standards are higher than once a month Joe

[phantomflanflinger 24]

more shite

[VOON 1,317]

So how to know you have quality then?? Whats the standard a dog or bitch has to reach, before their deemed worthy of breeding?

 

 

Voon

[hedz31 1,308]

far better dogs out there years ago theres more shite out there than good dogs these days its not the dogs faults its the cunis that breed them and so called test them

[stevie g 2005 125]

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

 

Once he gets him in a stop end the good dog keeps him there(regardless of size)Whats your point about the man digging we have all seen them he has a shite dog and he knows it but does not want anybody else to know.Any class dog could have a bad day but if he made a habit of it his day would get worse FOR HIM. I dont understand the bit about the to well fed.

have u any of these good dogs that dont ever get shifted because they can shift the best dogs

[stevie g 2005 125]

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

 

Once he gets him in a stop end the good dog keeps him there(regardless of size)Whats your point about the man digging we have all seen them he has a shite dog and he knows it but does not want anybody else to know.Any class dog could have a bad day but if he made a habit of it his day would get worse FOR HIM. I dont understand the bit about the to well fed.

your words any class dog has a bad day,making habit of it we all know the ending there.im just saying these animals are just trying to get away from you.have you ever and i doubt it come across one that is coming to meet the dog at the entrance,i have and im telling you they put back the hardest or brainest dogs.that mans dog was very good in fairnest nothing shite about it,just waiting for it to settle didnt happen that day prob not relevant to you.being well fed big dogs is all i mentioned in my first post so for you to come the conclusion they were shite baffles me.being good and strong doesnt mean braindead just it makes it harder for stuff to get around them.holding them is bit easier too.we beg to differ.

have you ever and i doubt it come across one that is coming to meet the dog at the entrance,i have and im telling you they put back the hardest or brainest dogs.

 

:yes:

[liamdelaney 2,587]

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

 

Once he gets him in a stop end the good dog keeps him there(regardless of size)Whats your point about the man digging we have all seen them he has a shite dog and he knows it but does not want anybody else to know.Any class dog could have a bad day but if he made a habit of it his day would get worse FOR HIM. I dont understand the bit about the to well fed.

have u any of these good dogs that dont ever get shifted because they can shift the best dogs

No my dogs are pets.

[hedz31 1,308]

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

 

Once he gets him in a stop end the good dog keeps him there(regardless of size)Whats your point about the man digging we have all seen them he has a shite dog and he knows it but does not want anybody else to know.Any class dog could have a bad day but if he made a habit of it his day would get worse FOR HIM. I dont understand the bit about the to well fed.

have u any of these good dogs that dont ever get shifted because they can shift the best dogs

No my dogs are pets.

Are they any good at flyball

[stevie g 2005 125]

lads i think give respect to old billy the stuff of today or yesterday,if he wanted really to move he would.the size now of the dog is the key fill up the tube more and gives the terrier more of an advantage.obviously he has to be keen,the comparison is no locators many years ago so you looking for a very steady dog.having to dig 6 7 foot holes for it to move would be nightmare.even today.how many times have you come across a dog by accident not knowing its lines and it turned out to be a dinger.just my rant.

 

That is wrong wrong wrong.These are the shite dogs I was talking about. A good dog lets no badger pass and one hole is dug.Back then if you gave two or three hours locating dig six or seven feet and then the dog moves(HE DID NOT COME HOME)That was the way it was and should still be.

so your telling me a small type patt will keep a good size big fox,where ever he wants him,all he doing is annoying him an educated sham will wait then move before break in.now to call them shite dogs is a bit harsh just cause there a little too well fed,i seen certain man on here digging very fast to a dog of his one day.no leaving him too long in case of what still baffles me.the hole was top of the ground.liam your telling me you never and i mean never seen a so called class dog not let the big lad pass.they not robots.

 

Once he gets him in a stop end the good dog keeps him there(regardless of size)Whats your point about the man digging we have all seen them he has a shite dog and he knows it but does not want anybody else to know.Any class dog could have a bad day but if he made a habit of it his day would get worse FOR HIM. I dont understand the bit about the to well fed.

have u any of these good dogs that dont ever get shifted because they can shift the best dogs

No my dogs are pets.

as long as ur happy with them