albino fear

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My best working hob is a albino and he producing some very good working albinos. It's never seemed to effect mine.

[Ideation 8,216]

There is no getting away from the fact that albino animals are genetically less sound than normally coloured animals. My granddad chain smoked untipped fags all his life, lived to be 90 odd, doesn't prove smoking doesn't give you cancer. All I'm saying is that the defects are well documented and I've seen them myself, what you do with that information is up to you but just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. By the way ferrets with good eyesight work just as well in the dark as blind ferrets do, I don't get what people have got against ferrets that can see !

 

 

No one here was arguing that these defacts did not exist, that they get albinos with defects, but just that the vast majority are fine.

 

As for ferrets seeing or not, as long as my ferrets appear to have a good quality of life and are 'happy / content' thats enough for me. I'm not sure they get that hung up about not being able to see birds flying over head.

So would you breed terriers with poor eyesight then ?

 

Totally different animal, with a different application, and life style, so no, not if it was severe.

 

I know you would like to trap me into being an 'irresponsible breeder' etc.

 

We are not talking blind, or deaf animals, but those with a potentially, slightly reduced sensory ability in certain areas.

 

Would i breed a blind terrier no, would i breed from a top worker, that seemed to have marginally worse eyesight than other dogs, probably.

 

And we have already said that most albinos do not have problems, so as long as they are an albino with no obvious abnormalities, or any kind of symptoms of struggling due to eye/ear problems, whats the problem with breeding from them?

 

I think the working ferret world has far far greater problems than folk breeding albino ferrets.

 

(for the record i have poleys, albinos, sandys, silvers, so i am not particularly pro any color)

 

Double standards, poor old ferret looses out again ! As for probably breeding from a top working terrier with a known eyesight defect, shame on you !

 

 

Jesus mate, can you hear yourself?

 

"Poor old ferret loses out again"

 

I care for my ferrets very well, and take breeding working ferrets very seriously. I would not breed an animal born defective, but one with slightly worse eyesight over it's life than my others, if there seems to be no noticeable difference to the quality of the animals life and it is in all other terms, healthy, and it is a very good worker, i see no problem breeding that animal with another animal (with fantastic eyesight if you want) to produce ferrets for myself.

 

And as we have fecking said, its academic, as most of the albinos are fine.

 

As for terriers, i'm no terrierman, so what the feck do i know, i'm a bloody ferret man.

 

Now at the very same time i do actually agree with you that it is very strange to breed for a 'defect' in that albinoism is one.

 

As handy as it is in the cover.

 

But my albinos have all been healthy and i have just had a litter where the albino kits are as healthy as the colored.

 

So i guess i'm only going from what i have and what i have had, and if i had had an unhealthy/deformed ferret i probably would be put off albinos.

[fcuktheban 140]

There is no getting away from the fact that albino animals are genetically less sound than normally coloured animals. My granddad chain smoked untipped fags all his life, lived to be 90 odd, doesn't prove smoking doesn't give you cancer. All I'm saying is that the defects are well documented and I've seen them myself, what you do with that information is up to you but just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. By the way ferrets with good eyesight work just as well in the dark as blind ferrets do, I don't get what people have got against ferrets that can see !

 

I did post earlier a part of an article saying any ferret carrying the albino gene could have the same problems as an albino but it occurs more frequently in the lighter ferrets like sandy, bew and silver so it isn't just albinos that have these problems. I don't know of many ferrets that don't have albino in their genes. People would have to breed poley to poley until the jills are no longer throwing light kits just to try to remove this potential health issue. romany52 do your jills ever throw light coloured kits?

No one here was arguing that these defacts did not exist, that they get albinos with defects, but just that the vast majority are fine.

 

As for ferrets seeing or not, as long as my ferrets appear to have a good quality of life and are 'happy / content' thats enough for me. I'm not sure they get that hung up about not being able to see birds flying over head.

So would you breed terriers with poor eyesight then ?

 

Totally different animal, with a different application, and life style, so no, not if it was severe.

 

I know you would like to trap me into being an 'irresponsible breeder' etc.

 

We are not talking blind, or deaf animals, but those with a potentially, slightly reduced sensory ability in certain areas.

 

Would i breed a blind terrier no, would i breed from a top worker, that seemed to have marginally worse eyesight than other dogs, probably.

 

And we have already said that most albinos do not have problems, so as long as they are an albino with no obvious abnormalities, or any kind of symptoms of struggling due to eye/ear problems, whats the problem with breeding from them?

 

I think the working ferret world has far far greater problems than folk breeding albino ferrets.

 

(for the record i have poleys, albinos, sandys, silvers, so i am not particularly pro any color)

 

Double standards, poor old ferret looses out again ! As for probably breeding from a top working terrier with a known eyesight defect, shame on you !

 

 

Jesus mate, can you hear yourself?

 

"Poor old ferret loses out again"

 

I care for my ferrets very well, and take breeding working ferrets very seriously. I would not breed an animal born defective, but one with slightly worse eyesight over it's life than my others, if there seems to be no noticeable difference to the quality of the animals life and it is in all other terms, healthy, and it is a very good worker, i see no problem breeding that animal with another animal (with fantastic eyesight if you want) to produce ferrets for myself.

 

And as we have fecking said, its academic, as most of the albinos are fine.

 

As for terriers, i'm no terrierman, so what the feck do i know, i'm a bloody ferret man.

 

Now at the very same time i do actually agree with you that it is very strange to breed for a 'defect' in that albinoism is one.

 

As handy as it is in the cover.

 

But my albinos have all been healthy and i have just had a litter where the albino kits are as healthy as the colored.

 

So i guess i'm only going from what i have and what i have had, and if i had had an unhealthy/deformed ferret i probably would be put off albinos.

 

 

Something didn't work right so I'll try it again...

 

I did post earlier a part of an article saying any ferret carrying the albino gene could have the same problems as an albino but it occurs more frequently in the lighter ferrets like sandy, bew and silver so it isn't just albinos that have these problems. I don't know of many ferrets that don't have albino in their genes. People would have to breed poley to poley until the jills are no longer throwing light kits just to try to remove this potential health issue. romany52 do your jills ever throw light coloured kits?

Edited July 17, 2011 by fcuktheban

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Still find it shocking that so long as it does the job people don't mind breeding deaf blind ferrets !

 

I'm just wondering what the odds are of them being deaf or blind? There are people on here that have had them for many years with only a few that have had any signs of issues.

As I've said mate, I've had ferrets for 51 yrs, I don't believe any albino ferret can see as well as a ferret should. It's up to the individual what they breed, I was just stating that the OP was correct and that I'd seen it, and that was the reason I favored polecat crosses.

 

Have you bred albino ferrets? Do your jills ever throw light coloured kits?

[romany52 313]

Still find it shocking that so long as it does the job people don't mind breeding deaf blind ferrets !

 

I'm just wondering what the odds are of them being deaf or blind? There are people on here that have had them for many years with only a few that have had any signs of issues.

As I've said mate, I've had ferrets for 51 yrs, I don't believe any albino ferret can see as well as a ferret should. It's up to the individual what they breed, I was just stating that the OP was correct and that I'd seen it, and that was the reason I favored polecat crosses.

 

Have you bred albino ferrets? Do your jills ever throw light coloured kits?

No mate, they are supposed to be eu polecats but as I didn't breed the original stock I say they are crosses just in case, having said that they have never thrown a light kit even when mated to light jills belonging to other people.

[fcuktheban 140]

Still find it shocking that so long as it does the job people don't mind breeding deaf blind ferrets !

 

I'm just wondering what the odds are of them being deaf or blind? There are people on here that have had them for many years with only a few that have had any signs of issues.

As I've said mate, I've had ferrets for 51 yrs, I don't believe any albino ferret can see as well as a ferret should. It's up to the individual what they breed, I was just stating that the OP was correct and that I'd seen it, and that was the reason I favored polecat crosses.

 

Have you bred albino ferrets? Do your jills ever throw light coloured kits?

No mate, they are supposed to be eu polecats but as I didn't breed the original stock I say they are crosses just in case, having said that they have never thrown a light kit even when mated to light jills belonging to other people.

 

Why would you breed albino chipmunks when you know without a doubt it is a defect?

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

 

 

Something didn't work right so I'll try it again...

 

I did post earlier a part of an article saying any ferret carrying the albino gene could have the same problems as an albino but it occurs more frequently in the lighter ferrets like sandy, bew and silver so it isn't just albinos that have these problems. I don't know of many ferrets that don't have albino in their genes. People would have to breed poley to poley until the jills are no longer throwing light kits just to try to remove this potential health issue. romany52 do your jills ever throw light coloured kits?

 

 

What you seem to forget is that albinism occurs naturally in nearly all forms of animals and birds including humans. So breeding polecat to polecat for generations would not give you a 100% guarantee that the line would not produce an albino. Think about it where did the first albino ferrets come from?

 

TC

[romany52 313]

Still find it shocking that so long as it does the job people don't mind breeding deaf blind ferrets !

 

I'm just wondering what the odds are of them being deaf or blind? There are people on here that have had them for many years with only a few that have had any signs of issues.

As I've said mate, I've had ferrets for 51 yrs, I don't believe any albino ferret can see as well as a ferret should. It's up to the individual what they breed, I was just stating that the OP was correct and that I'd seen it, and that was the reason I favored polecat crosses.

 

Have you bred albino ferrets? Do your jills ever throw light coloured kits?

No mate, they are supposed to be eu polecats but as I didn't breed the original stock I say they are crosses just in case, having said that they have never thrown a light kit even when mated to light jills belonging to other people.

 

Why would you breed albino chipmunks when you know without a doubt it is a defect?

That was 30 yrs ago when I didn't know any better.

[fcuktheban 140]

Still find it shocking that so long as it does the job people don't mind breeding deaf blind ferrets !

 

I'm just wondering what the odds are of them being deaf or blind? There are people on here that have had them for many years with only a few that have had any signs of issues.

As I've said mate, I've had ferrets for 51 yrs, I don't believe any albino ferret can see as well as a ferret should. It's up to the individual what they breed, I was just stating that the OP was correct and that I'd seen it, and that was the reason I favored polecat crosses.

 

Have you bred albino ferrets? Do your jills ever throw light coloured kits?

No mate, they are supposed to be eu polecats but as I didn't breed the original stock I say they are crosses just in case, having said that they have never thrown a light kit even when mated to light jills belonging to other people.

 

Why would you breed albino chipmunks when you know without a doubt it is a defect?

That was 30 yrs ago when I didn't know any better.

 

Are you sure about that, this is from 2008 on IFF site talking about ferrets

 

 

Whistler675214-06-2008, 09:24 AM

You are right, the father of this bunch was a silver.

 

Two of the young have silver markings and some are pure white.

When they were younger my jills had a silver streak down their backs,

but they lost it as they grew.

 

The adult DEW's that I have are pure white, but when you look at them closely they have tiny black high lights running through their coat.

I think this is normal for DEW's as my hob and two jills have them.

 

Someone told me a while back that DEW's were silvers that had the silver markings bred out of them.

I don't know if this is right or not.

 

If I lived closer the man I'd like a ferret off is LSD1.

He posted pics of very nice kits a while back.

 

You are right, silvers come in all shades from dark to what we call DEWs, I've never seen a DEW that hasn't got or has never had dark hairs in its coat. Mike.

 

 

and this is from super-chipmunks forum

 

Title: Whites price

Post by: whistler6752 on February 23, 2009, 10:29:37 PM

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Hi, just a bit of trivia, might suprise a few of you but when I first started breeding chips whites were being sold for £900 a pair.

 

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Title: Re: Whites price

Post by: jennyb on February 23, 2009, 10:51:17 PM

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Never seen Chipmunks that expensive - my most expensive white was £60, she was one of my first white Chipmunks and i bought her from Pets at Home in 1997. That is more than my pedigree cat

 

 

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Title: Re: Whites price

Post by: Gilly on February 23, 2009, 11:17:56 PM

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Noway ! Who paid that? I can get my hands on 1 ( sorry dad ) .....lets call it £400 for a quick sale.

 

 

 

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Title: Re: Whites price

Post by: whistler6752 on February 23, 2009, 11:36:07 PM

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Not me, I waited a couple of years till the price came down to £200 a pair. It was worth it for me , I eventually sold hundreds.

 

 

It looks like ££££ to me

[romany52 313]

Still find it shocking that so long as it does the job people don't mind breeding deaf blind ferrets !

 

I'm just wondering what the odds are of them being deaf or blind? There are people on here that have had them for many years with only a few that have had any signs of issues.

As I've said mate, I've had ferrets for 51 yrs, I don't believe any albino ferret can see as well as a ferret should. It's up to the individual what they breed, I was just stating that the OP was correct and that I'd seen it, and that was the reason I favored polecat crosses.

 

Have you bred albino ferrets? Do your jills ever throw light coloured kits?

No mate, they are supposed to be eu polecats but as I didn't breed the original stock I say they are crosses just in case, having said that they have never thrown a light kit even when mated to light jills belonging to other people.

 

Why would you breed albino chipmunks when you know without a doubt it is a defect?

That was 30 yrs ago when I didn't know any better.

 

Are you sure about that, this is from 2008 on IFF site talking about ferrets

 

 

Whistler675214-06-2008, 09:24 AM

You are right, the father of this bunch was a silver.

 

Two of the young have silver markings and some are pure white.

When they were younger my jills had a silver streak down their backs,

but they lost it as they grew.

 

The adult DEW's that I have are pure white, but when you look at them closely they have tiny black high lights running through their coat.

I think this is normal for DEW's as my hob and two jills have them.

 

Someone told me a while back that DEW's were silvers that had the silver markings bred out of them.

I don't know if this is right or not.

 

If I lived closer the man I'd like a ferret off is LSD1.

He posted pics of very nice kits a while back.

 

You are right, silvers come in all shades from dark to what we call DEWs, I've never seen a DEW that hasn't got or has never had dark hairs in its coat. Mike.

 

 

and this is from super-chipmunks forum

 

Title: Whites price

Post by: whistler6752 on February 23, 2009, 10:29:37 PM

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Hi, just a bit of trivia, might suprise a few of you but when I first started breeding chips whites were being sold for £900 a pair.

 

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Title: Re: Whites price

Post by: jennyb on February 23, 2009, 10:51:17 PM

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Never seen Chipmunks that expensive - my most expensive white was £60, she was one of my first white Chipmunks and i bought her from Pets at Home in 1997. That is more than my pedigree cat

 

 

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Title: Re: Whites price

Post by: Gilly on February 23, 2009, 11:17:56 PM

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Noway ! Who paid that? I can get my hands on 1 ( sorry dad ) .....lets call it £400 for a quick sale.

 

 

 

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Title: Re: Whites price

Post by: whistler6752 on February 23, 2009, 11:36:07 PM

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Not me, I waited a couple of years till the price came down to £200 a pair. It was worth it for me , I eventually sold hundreds.

 

 

It looks like ££££ to me

The bit about chipmunks ,only the first and last post are mine, and I just about lived off them, but it was 30 yrs ago, and before that I bred hamsters for the pet trade, how do you think I learned about genetics. The quote from iff mate, only the last two lines are mine, though why I'm trying to justify myself to you, f**k only knows! by the way I've never owned a silver or a bew.

Edited July 18, 2011 by romany52