rob190364 2,594 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) Just been looking at that other thread about the poacher watch programme on next week. I've done a quick search on youtube and there's quite a lot of vids of poachers being caught on CCTV but they all seems to be in other countries (America mainly). Does anyone know the legalities of putting CCTV in the countryside in the UK? Are they allowed to put hidden cameras in woodland without any signs or anything? Obviously a landowner can if it's his private land but I'm just wondering about other areas where public have access. And is it widely used in this country or not? I can't help but think there must be some sort of restriction because if they were allowed to use it I reckon it'd be everywhere the way this stupid country is going! I don't particularly like the fact that in this country you're being watched on CCTV virtually everywhere you go in towns and cities but it's tolerable........if they start doing it in the countryside though I think that'd be time for me to up sticks and move to a true 'free country'! It's a f'ckin ridiculous concept if you ask me!!! While I'm on the subject of Americans....I don't know if the shooters do this in the UK aswell but what's the point in wearing camo and then stickin a bloody big orange vest and cap over the top of it?? I know the vest will be a safety thing so they don't do a bit of "friendly fire" that we all know Americans like to do, but what's the point in the camo??? Just so they look the part I guess? Edited July 14, 2011 by rob190364 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) cctv already on some estates mate also the uk has the most cctv in the world.for the size of the country that is. Edited July 14, 2011 by scothunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 cctv already on some estates mate also the uk has the most cctv in the world.for the size of the country that is. yeah I know, but it's mainly in the towns and cities isn't it? I've seen signs about fly tipping saying there's CCTV but I've never actually seen a camera out in the sticks where those signs are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 cctv already on some estates mate also the uk has the most cctv in the world.for the size of the country that is. yeah I know, but it's mainly in the towns and cities isn't it? I've seen signs about fly tipping saying there's CCTV but I've never actually seen a camera out in the sticks where those signs are. they have them on a particular estate near me,although its not manned it is recording.not to say they cant watch it live if they felt the need to.yea mate i agree.its a good thing i suppose in towns and cities,more so with the current terrorist alerts,but on estates well suppose they do have to protect thier game.i see it as another challenge lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scottish carper ingram 40 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 im sure someone once told me that london had something like 13 or 33% of the world cameras, not sure if its true though ingram Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 im sure someone once told me that london had something like 13 or 33% of the world cameras, not sure if its true though ingram so...if anyone's thinkin of going poaching in London, you better think twice You're missing my point, everyone knows this country is packed with CCTV, but is there much in the countryside? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 im sure someone once told me that london had something like 13 or 33% of the world cameras, not sure if its true though ingram so...if anyone's thinkin of going poaching in London, you better think twice You're missing my point, everyone knows this country is packed with CCTV, but is there much in the countryside? no i dont think there is many in the countryside mate..its not a major thing to do these days though.in fact take lab for instance,if he wanted to to set up a web cam he could quite easily do that and watch his birds on his laptop from the conmfort of his own home,if he hasnt already done it that is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 im sure someone once told me that london had something like 13 or 33% of the world cameras, not sure if its true though ingram so...if anyone's thinkin of going poaching in London, you better think twice You're missing my point, everyone knows this country is packed with CCTV, but is there much in the countryside? no i dont think there is many in the countryside mate..its not a major thing to do these days though.in fact take lab for instance,if he wanted to to set up a web cam he could quite easily do that and watch his birds on his laptop from the conmfort of his own home,if he hasnt already done it that is. That's why I'm thinkin there must be some legal thing that's preventing people from doing it, cos it's so cheap and simple to do and yet there isn't much about (thankfully!). Is it something to do with the data protection act maybe? or human rights act? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 im sure someone once told me that london had something like 13 or 33% of the world cameras, not sure if its true though ingram so...if anyone's thinkin of going poaching in London, you better think twice You're missing my point, everyone knows this country is packed with CCTV, but is there much in the countryside? no i dont think there is many in the countryside mate..its not a major thing to do these days though.in fact take lab for instance,if he wanted to to set up a web cam he could quite easily do that and watch his birds on his laptop from the conmfort of his own home,if he hasnt already done it that is. That's why I'm thinkin there must be some legal thing that's preventing people from doing it, cos it's so cheap and simple to do and yet there isn't much about (thankfully!). Is it something to do with the data protection act maybe? or human rights act? tbh rob i havent a clue why there isnt more in the country.i dont think it has anything to do with legality.prob more to do with cost,i mean the proper cctv linked to police stations.also there not much major crime in the countryside.ie assaults and robberys and such.think if estates wanted to shell out a few thousand on a good system there nothing stopping them to do so.however you know how tight with cash those estates are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rommels 7 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) im sure someone once told me that london had something like 13 or 33% of the world cameras, not sure if its true though ingram so...if anyone's thinkin of going poaching in London, you better think twice You're missing my point, everyone knows this country is packed with CCTV, but is there much in the countryside? no i dont think there is many in the countryside mate..its not a major thing to do these days though.in fact take lab for instance,if he wanted to to set up a web cam he could quite easily do that and watch his birds on his laptop from the conmfort of his own home,if he hasnt already done it that is. That's why I'm thinkin there must be some legal thing that's preventing people from doing it, cos it's so cheap and simple to do and yet there isn't much about (thankfully!). Is it something to do with the data protection act maybe? or human rights act? tbh rob i havent a clue why there isnt more in the country.i dont think it has anything to do with legality.prob more to do with cost,i mean the proper cctv linked to police stations.also there not much major crime in the countryside.ie assaults and robberys and such.think if estates wanted to shell out a few thousand on a good system there nothing stopping them to do so.however you know how tight with cash those estates are. To my knowledge the use of CCTV cameras surviving your own land is more than acceptable, Having had cameras on my land for nearly 2 years without issue now and having caught trespassers and thieves previously with them. The issue mainly with cameras is the use, you really need to understand the location, purpose and impact of the cameras, they certainly are more time consuming than many may imagine and equally more costly (especially upgrading ). Like most landowners or small business I've tried the cheap maplins, and Swan type setups... only to find them exactly that cheap and poor quality so much so after identifying a trespasser short of a blurry face there was little in terms of any evidence that could or would be used. Now however after a lot of research (work in IT thankfully) I contacted a security firm with the requirements and had a setup put together based on their advice to fit the purpose to which I have added cameras as the needs arose. If memory serves this was around £1200 ish worth for 4 x dome cameras 6x to x16 varifocal day/night Sony.... and a Samsung Bullet camera 6x to 66x varifocal day/night with an avtech 8 channel dvr and the assorted bits... Have to say it has held its own having identified positively thief's who chose to use our private track as a means to rob the next door neighbour , and similarly has captured many number plates and vehicle details for our private track as well as drivers faces (always a plus) that is with added cameras mind... although even recently It had a use as to identify the little bugger (rabbit) at around 2am in full IR who then met his timely demise at the hands of my AAS410 . Can't really comment on its ability as a deterrent as people will simply pickup a hoody at primark , although in the right setup as ours, as there is only one means of exiting the property that can easily be blocked and since the signs have gone up and these cameras we have seen a thief (who had robbed the next-door) proceed down our track in a car to immediately turn and retreat Feel free to Pm me if anyone would like the name of the CCTV company I used, they're very useful with next-day delivery and can give some good advice. Some useful links, the second is probably the easiest and most use. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/consultations/cons-2011-cctv/cctv-consultation?view=Binary http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/data_protection/detailed_specialist_guides/ico_cctvfinal_2301.pdf http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_the_public/topic_specific_guides/cctv.aspx Edited July 15, 2011 by Rommels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swagboy 9 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 herd off ppl being cort lamping on google live on the south cost Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 im sure someone once told me that london had something like 13 or 33% of the world cameras, not sure if its true though ingram so...if anyone's thinkin of going poaching in London, you better think twice You're missing my point, everyone knows this country is packed with CCTV, but is there much in the countryside? no i dont think there is many in the countryside mate..its not a major thing to do these days though.in fact take lab for instance,if he wanted to to set up a web cam he could quite easily do that and watch his birds on his laptop from the conmfort of his own home,if he hasnt already done it that is. That's why I'm thinkin there must be some legal thing that's preventing people from doing it, cos it's so cheap and simple to do and yet there isn't much about (thankfully!). Is it something to do with the data protection act maybe? or human rights act? tbh rob i havent a clue why there isnt more in the country.i dont think it has anything to do with legality.prob more to do with cost,i mean the proper cctv linked to police stations.also there not much major crime in the countryside.ie assaults and robberys and such.think if estates wanted to shell out a few thousand on a good system there nothing stopping them to do so.however you know how tight with cash those estates are. To my knowledge the use of CCTV cameras surviving your own land is more than acceptable, Having had cameras on my land for nearly 2 years without issue now and having caught trespassers and thieves previously with them. The issue mainly with cameras is the use, you really need to understand the location, purpose and impact of the cameras, they certainly are more time consuming than many may imagine and equally more costly (especially upgrading ). Like most landowners or small business I've tried the cheap maplins, and Swan type setups... only to find them exactly that cheap and poor quality so much so after identifying a trespasser short of a blurry face there was little in terms of any evidence that could or would be used. Now however after a lot of research (work in IT thankfully) I contacted a security firm with the requirements and had a setup put together based on their advice to fit the purpose to which I have added cameras as the needs arose. If memory serves this was around £1200 ish worth for 4 x dome cameras 6x to x16 varifocal day/night Sony.... and a Samsung Bullet camera 6x to 66x varifocal day/night with an avtech 8 channel dvr and the assorted bits... Have to say it has held its own having identified positively thief's who chose to use our private track as a means to rob the next door neighbour , and similarly has captured many number plates and vehicle details for our private track as well as drivers faces (always a plus) that is with added cameras mind... although even recently It had a use as to identify the little bugger (rabbit) at around 2am in full IR who then met his timely demise at the hands of my AAS410 . Can't really comment on its ability as a deterrent as people will simply pickup a hoody at primark , although in the right setup as ours, as there is only one means of exiting the property that can easily be blocked and since the signs have gone up and these cameras we have seen a thief (who had robbed the next-door) proceed down our track in a car to immediately turn and retreat Feel free to Pm me if anyone would like the name of the CCTV company I used, they're very useful with next-day delivery and can give some good advice. Some useful links, the second is probably the easiest and most use. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/consultations/cons-2011-cctv/cctv-consultation?view=Binary http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/data_protection/detailed_specialist_guides/ico_cctvfinal_2301.pdf http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_the_public/topic_specific_guides/cctv.aspx looks like you know your stuff mate.guess for the reasons of house breaking in rural areas,its a bit of added protection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,507 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 If you have cctv you have to have signs up saying your taping it and a licence cost my work £5000 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rommels 7 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) If you have cctv you have to have signs up saying your taping it and a licence cost my work £5000 Signs are defiantly a must at every entrance to the area in which the cameras are monitoring which is correct. Licensing however is only required for instances of public space installations of CCTV and relates to the training of lisenced CCTV (SIA Licensed) operators meaning in short if the CCTV system covers public spaces.. such as ANPR cameras (motorways) or town centre cameras etc it must have a lisenced/aproved operator to maintain and mange the system which is mainly to do with security contractors it seems... (arround £245 /person for 3 years on SIA site) http://www.sia.homeoffice.gov.uk/Pages/licensing-cctv.aspx From the Second of my links which are the Guidelines (latest) setout by the SIA/Government If the CCTV system covers a public space, the organisation operating the CCTV system should be aware of the possible licensing requirements imposed by the Security Industry Authority. A public space surveillance (CCTV) licence is required when operatives are supplied under a contract for services. Under the provisions of the Private Security Industry Act 2001, it is a criminal offence for staff to be contracted as public space surveillance CCTV operators in England, Wales and Scotland without an SIA licence. Edited July 16, 2011 by Rommels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Easier way to get around it is to site a camera ''with the intention of recording wildlife activity''. If someone happens to be caught on it doing something illegal, then you have an obligation to hand it in anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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