laguna whippets

[whippetlad1976 33]

he has 1 of the most strongest lines of lagunas would you not agree?

 

 

who mb? no your mate

 

mb (mike brown yes a friend of mine went to school with his kids too

[whippetlad1976 33]

my mate now yes good eh! 10 out of 10 for observation sherlock

[cocker 2,654]

yes your mates whippet is superb breeding, and i wish i owned one as well bred

[green - mile 0]

As a new reader to this site i am amazed how much there is written debate about MB and his whippets . Firstly let me add having known the man for over 30 years and well before Sooty Sam and the Laguna connection began can i add it is a fool who underestimates the mans knowlededge of the geneology and kennel management to produce good litters consistently and the forward planning that goes into every move he makes regarding his dogs . Its a jammy chancer who produces the odd decent litter , its a clever breeder who knows his stuff who sustains a continued success over as many years as MB.

As For the Laguna name row that continuies to rage on, Mike used the name in adverts as do all good breeders who wish to minimise timewasters on phone and place the origins of breed in adverts ,we all see it all time , the only difference was MB began his Laguna adds at the time the internet was kicking off and adds hit a larger audiemce and he found a niche in the market and the rest is history, Prior to this i remember mentioning the name laguna at a working dog show in the 1980,s and was met with puzzled looks cos unless you were up on the coursing and KC racing whippets kennel names prefix didnt matter in working world of mouchers and many working whippets that excelled as pot fillers had terrier blood to add coat stamina and heart. If the LYla and co checked their bank statements and bookings for studs and pups since the arrival of MB and Sooty Sam , i very much doubt they can deny business has been very good. MB whippets do the job they were bred to do, Laguna or not you cant blame the man for selling his dogs wth mention to origins of the KC

[Sirius 1,391]

you cant blame the man for selling his dogs wth mention to origins of the KC

 

I think the selling of his dogs (several litters a year) is part of the problem The working dog world would be better of without people cashing in as the only person who benefits is the seller and never the quality of the dogs in the long run. :(

Edited July 19, 2011 by Sirius

[whippetlad1976 33]

you cant blame the man for selling his dogs wth mention to origins of the KC

 

I think the selling of his dogs (several litters a year) is part of the problem The working dog world would be better of without people cashing in as the only person who benefits is the seller and never the quality of the dogs in the long run. :(

 

have you ever had a dog from mike? go and see his set up what he is all aout ask him how many phone calls he gets demanding pups from the u.k and abroad see how well the pups are cared for as well as the bitch in pup. now i know mike over 20 yrs went to school with his kids and even now he would not let me in his yard until he checked it was clean first and scrubbed down... do me a favour and dont judge someone based on how many litters they produce if someone wants pups he will accomodate..and if he breeds more than most then it shows the dogs are in demand he aint no peddlar...

Edited July 19, 2011 by whippetlad1976

[johnny boy68 11,726]

you cant blame the man for selling his dogs wth mention to origins of the KC

 

I think the selling of his dogs (several litters a year) is part of the problem The working dog world would be better of without people cashing in as the only person who benefits is the seller and never the quality of the dogs in the long run. :(

Well as someone who's never been a fan of whippets after seeing Mike's dogs work if I was looking for a "working" whippet then Mike would be the person I'd go and see.

[Sirius 1,391]

I am not disputing IF his dogs are good workers or not. The one's I have seen have been nice enough, not my cup of tea I must admit.

 

But when someone is producing 2 or 3 litters a year they are not breeding simply from the kindness of their hearts are they? In the majority of cases it boils down to the £££ in their wallet.

Edited July 19, 2011 by Sirius

[whippetlad1976 33]

do me a favour mate ring him and ask him how many pups are available from the litter he has due at the end of august then get back to me...

[paulus 26]

nobody is knocking the breedind or the man himself, just the tie to laguna. when was a dog with the laguna prefix put back into the line? sooty sam is known all over so why not stick to that without the need to refer to laguna?

[Ideation 8,216]

I am not disputing IF his dogs are good workers or not. The one's I have seen have been nice enough, not my cup of tea I must admit.

 

But when someone is producing 2 or 3 litters a year they are not breeding simply from the kindness of their hearts are they? In the majority of cases it boils down to the £££ in their wallet.

 

Yes i agree he does breed in part for money, to make a living, a long with improving his lines etc. But what is wrong with that. 'Puppy peddling' you will cry, well i don't think it is, if your producing quality dogs, are honest about what you produce etc, and breed far far less than you COULD sell. He has also never said he breeds 'laguna' whippets, just that his dogs carry a chunk of laguna blood, amongst others. You try to compare him to Hancock, in my opinion they are in two TOTALLY different leagues.

 

Can you tell me why exactly selling pups is so bad? If they are well bred, well reared and make excellent dogs?

 

Or should it just be some little secret society, all about 'who you know'.

 

I'd rather mb breed 3 litters in a year of good dogs than someone else breed one of shit dogs.

[paulus 26]

never said he breeds 'laguna' whippets, just that his dogs carry a chunk of laguna blood, amongst others.

 

 

but where is that CHUNK of laguna blood from? as i said when was the last time a laguna prefix dog used in the line?

[Ideation 8,216]

Why don't you ring the man and ask him, i'm sure he will tell you!

[Sirius 1,391]

I am not disputing IF his dogs are good workers or not. The one's I have seen have been nice enough, not my cup of tea I must admit.

 

But when someone is producing 2 or 3 litters a year they are not breeding simply from the kindness of their hearts are they? In the majority of cases it boils down to the £££ in their wallet.

 

Yes i agree he does breed in part for money, to make a living, a long with improving his lines etc. But what is wrong with that. 'Puppy peddling' you will cry, well i don't think it is, if your producing quality dogs, are honest about what you produce etc, and breed far far less than you COULD sell. He has also never said he breeds 'laguna' whippets, just that his dogs carry a chunk of laguna blood, amongst others. You try to compare him to Hancock, in my opinion they are in two TOTALLY different leagues.

 

Can you tell me why exactly selling pups is so bad? If they are well bred, well reared and make excellent dogs?

 

Or should it just be some little secret society, all about 'who you know'.

 

I'd rather mb breed 3 litters in a year of good dogs than someone else breed one of shit dogs.

 

Ideation, Now I am sure you know this as well as most other dog men, that when money get's involved in the dog game it's nearly always a bad thing.

 

And I would really doubt that out of 3 litters that all the dogs make excellent or good dogs as you put it.

 

But lets not be blinkered the guy is consistently selling and breeding pups for money for years and much of the dogs rep is based on the Laguna prefix and the term 'Working Whippet'

 

Good luck to the Whippet, I genuinely like them alot and consider them to be one of the most entertaining dogs I have seen run. But if I was seriously after one I would do a little more research than following the flock and believing the marketing

Sirius

Edited July 19, 2011 by Sirius

[Ideation 8,216]

I am not disputing IF his dogs are good workers or not. The one's I have seen have been nice enough, not my cup of tea I must admit.

 

But when someone is producing 2 or 3 litters a year they are not breeding simply from the kindness of their hearts are they? In the majority of cases it boils down to the £££ in their wallet.

 

Yes i agree he does breed in part for money, to make a living, a long with improving his lines etc. But what is wrong with that. 'Puppy peddling' you will cry, well i don't think it is, if your producing quality dogs, are honest about what you produce etc, and breed far far less than you COULD sell. He has also never said he breeds 'laguna' whippets, just that his dogs carry a chunk of laguna blood, amongst others. You try to compare him to Hancock, in my opinion they are in two TOTALLY different leagues.

 

Can you tell me why exactly selling pups is so bad? If they are well bred, well reared and make excellent dogs?

 

Or should it just be some little secret society, all about 'who you know'.

 

I'd rather mb breed 3 litters in a year of good dogs than someone else breed one of shit dogs.

 

Ideation, Now I am sure you know this as well as most other dog men, that when money get's involved in the dog game it's nearly always a bad thing.

 

And I would really doubt that out of 3 litters that all the dogs make excellent or good dogs as you put it.

 

But lets not be blinkered the guy is consistently selling and breeding pups for money for years and much of the dogs rep is based on the Laguna prefix and the term 'Working Whippet'

 

Good luck to the Whippet, I genuinely like them alot and consider them to be one of the most entertaining dogs I have seen run. But if I was seriously after one I would do a little more research than following the flock and believing the marketing

Sirius

 

I know what you are saying mate, but i have taken a bit of interest in the dogs bred by him and seen / talked to folk about a fair number, and i'm yet to come across a bad one. . . .

 

I think to be honest for most folk who buy them, they know f**k all about laguna coursing dogs, but just want as you say, a 'working whippet'. Most just quote the laguna name as thats what they are (wrongly i suppose) referred to by many.

 

I own one, and i didn't buy it because it had the laguna name attached, i bought it because i wanted a good working whippet, and had seen dogs bred by him work, and spoken to other owners and mike himself and was satisfied with what i saw / heard. And i can't knock what i have got.

 

The man himself doesn't really need to spin any kind of line, he doesn't take out adverts in the cmw, or write all over the forums, but he gets plenty of phone calls asking for pups.