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all you are doing is showing your ignorance, how little you know about what is and what isnt when it comes to whippets, breeding, and history, if you know him so well nip up the road, and get the name

I know mate, the lack or 'emoticons' is creating problems. If i could use them i'd have stuck a grinning face and a thumbs up on the end of that last post and you'd have known i was pulling your leg b

MB doesnt carry the laguna prefix, do any of the dogs pictured or mentioned in this thread actualy have the laguna prefix at the start of there kennel name..'I seriously doubt it'If you want a laguna

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i have known mike brown more than 15 years or so, and ive been on this site 5 years mate, i have never once put mike brown down, i have spoke well of him, i have never put his dogs down, i have only ever spoke highly of them, i have owned them myself and ran them properly before the ban came in, aswell as lamping and ferreting them,

the fact is people dont like it when someone says mike doesnt breed laguna,s, which is a fact, unless he is a shapeshifter who has grown tits changed his name to lyla, and moved down ross on wye,

 

you know fine well ime not going to drive all the way to wales, to look at a pedigree, what you say your mate has,

 

however, i will say it here and now like i did before, i will come straight over to buy a "genuine" laguna pup, off mike, sired by a laguna dog, out of a laguna bitch, you said you live just down the road from him, i asked you to do me a favour and ask him what he has available, i gave you all my details, to give to mike, have you spoke to him yet,????? i doubt it.

 

i tell you what i will phone the guy myself, see what lagunas he has as i want one, .............................. it seems its easier to get one off mike than the people who actually own the line.

 

 

 

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AUGUST 2000

DORRIT McKAY, who has died aged 93, exercised a vital influence on the breeding of whippets through the Laguna kennels, which she ran for 38 years at Brightwalton Holt in Berkshire.

Perhaps the most remarkable of her many champions was a brindle and white whippet, Champion Laguna Ligonier, born in 1960. Between 1962 and 1972 no fewer than 80 litters sired by this dog were registered with the Kennel Club, and from these came 11 United Kingdom champions.

Dorrit McKay was also passionately interested in coursing, and would sometimes present the same dogs at shows and races, sometimes on successive days. This was possible because she bred whippets which were as notable for speed and stamina as for elegance.

Although Dorrit McKay regretted that the standard height for whippets (20 in at the shoulder) had not been maintained at shows, she was amply rewarded from coursing, winning 75 stakes. Bitches, she found, were just as fast, and rather more determined, than dogs.

Nevertheless, her best performer, Laguna Leader, was a dog, and from 1986 to 1989 the outstanding courser in Britain. It was a bad day when he was stolen by gipsies, bundled into a sack and driven away in a van. Her son-in-law gave chase, and noted the van's number, but her worries multiplied when the vehicle was discovered completely burnt out. Happily Laguna Leader was recovered unharmed after three weeks.

Today virtually all successful whippets, both in Britain and abroad (especially in America and Sweden) have some Laguna ancestry. Yet Dorrit McKay was well into her 30s before she owned a single whippet.

She was born Dorothea Ursula Noble at Fareham in Hampshire on November 10 1906, the daughter of an Army officer. She was educated by governesses, and, later, at a boarding school in Wimbledon. In childhood she concentrated her love of dogs upon her Sealyhams.

On leaving school Dorrit Noble lived with her parents in Dover, and devoted herself to golf, croquet and, particularly, tennis, which she played ambidextrously and to county standard. At a tournament in Aldershot, she met Captain John McKay, an officer in the 7th Hussars. They married in 1931.

After three peripatetic years they settled in a house called Wheatlands near Newbury, Berkshire. Dorrit McKay's interest in whippets was kindled by a groom who owned one, which she used to exercise on Greenham Common.

As a retired officer, Captain McKay obtained horses for the regiment, and in 1939 Dorrit McKay drove him to Tiptree, in Essex, on this quest. The horse they saw proved unsatisfactory, but she persuaded him instead to visit Stanley Wilkins's whippet kennels nearby, and returned home with a bitch called Tiptree Joan.

At the outbreak of the Second World War Captain McKay joined the RAF. The McKays were posted to various stations in the north of England, and in Lancashire Dorrit McKay became enthusiastic about whippet racing.

Not until 1945, however, did Tiptree Joan have her first litter. Dorrit McKay kept a bitch she called Jovial Judy, who not only won more than 100 awards at open shows, but also produced her first champion, Laguna Liege, which was best-in-show at the Whippet Club's Jubilee show in 1950.

The McKays settled at Brightwalton Holt in 1951. An important moment in the development of the kennels' reputation came in late 1958, when Champion Laguna Lucky Lad became the first whippet to win the hound group at Westminster, the American equivalent of Cruft's.

Captain McKay died in 1970, but Dorrit McKay kept the kennels going singlehandedly until 1989. Nor did she confine her attention to her own dogs. She was a founder member of the Whippet Coursing Club in 1962, served as patron of J R Whippet Rescue (started in the 1960s), and in 1970 became chairman of the Whippet Club Racing Association (WCRA). For 26 years from 1963 she was secretary of the Whippet Club.

Not until 1989, when she was 82, did she give up the Laguna kennels, and go to live with her daughter in Worcestershire. Even then she took 12 dogs with her. Two of them are still alive, both aged 16; she went out with them to within a fortnight of her death.

Dorrit McKay was present at the Whippet Club Centenary Show at Uttoxeter in July 1999. And in June this year, as President, she presented the prizes at the 30th anniversary of the WCRA.

Her daughter, Lilah Bond Gunning, continues the Laguna tradition.

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AUGUST 2000

DORRIT McKAY, who has died aged 93, exercised a vital influence on the breeding of whippets through the Laguna kennels, which she ran for 38 years at Brightwalton Holt in Berkshire.

Perhaps the most remarkable of her many champions was a brindle and white whippet, Champion Laguna Ligonier, born in 1960. Between 1962 and 1972 no fewer than 80 litters sired by this dog were registered with the Kennel Club, and from these came 11 United Kingdom champions.

Dorrit McKay was also passionately interested in coursing, and would sometimes present the same dogs at shows and races, sometimes on successive days. This was possible because she bred whippets which were as notable for speed and stamina as for elegance.

Although Dorrit McKay regretted that the standard height for whippets (20 in at the shoulder) had not been maintained at shows, she was amply rewarded from coursing, winning 75 stakes. Bitches, she found, were just as fast, and rather more determined, than dogs.

Nevertheless, her best performer, Laguna Leader, was a dog, and from 1986 to 1989 the outstanding courser in Britain. It was a bad day when he was stolen by gipsies, bundled into a sack and driven away in a van. Her son-in-law gave chase, and noted the van's number, but her worries multiplied when the vehicle was discovered completely burnt out. Happily Laguna Leader was recovered unharmed after three weeks.

Today virtually all successful whippets, both in Britain and abroad (especially in America and Sweden) have some Laguna ancestry. Yet Dorrit McKay was well into her 30s before she owned a single whippet.

She was born Dorothea Ursula Noble at Fareham in Hampshire on November 10 1906, the daughter of an Army officer. She was educated by governesses, and, later, at a boarding school in Wimbledon. In childhood she concentrated her love of dogs upon her Sealyhams.

On leaving school Dorrit Noble lived with her parents in Dover, and devoted herself to golf, croquet and, particularly, tennis, which she played ambidextrously and to county standard. At a tournament in Aldershot, she met Captain John McKay, an officer in the 7th Hussars. They married in 1931.

After three peripatetic years they settled in a house called Wheatlands near Newbury, Berkshire. Dorrit McKay's interest in whippets was kindled by a groom who owned one, which she used to exercise on Greenham Common.

As a retired officer, Captain McKay obtained horses for the regiment, and in 1939 Dorrit McKay drove him to Tiptree, in Essex, on this quest. The horse they saw proved unsatisfactory, but she persuaded him instead to visit Stanley Wilkins's whippet kennels nearby, and returned home with a bitch called Tiptree Joan.

At the outbreak of the Second World War Captain McKay joined the RAF. The McKays were posted to various stations in the north of England, and in Lancashire Dorrit McKay became enthusiastic about whippet racing.

Not until 1945, however, did Tiptree Joan have her first litter. Dorrit McKay kept a bitch she called Jovial Judy, who not only won more than 100 awards at open shows, but also produced her first champion, Laguna Liege, which was best-in-show at the Whippet Club's Jubilee show in 1950.

The McKays settled at Brightwalton Holt in 1951. An important moment in the development of the kennels' reputation came in late 1958, when Champion Laguna Lucky Lad became the first whippet to win the hound group at Westminster, the American equivalent of Cruft's.

Captain McKay died in 1970, but Dorrit McKay kept the kennels going singlehandedly until 1989. Nor did she confine her attention to her own dogs. She was a founder member of the Whippet Coursing Club in 1962, served as patron of J R Whippet Rescue (started in the 1960s), and in 1970 became chairman of the Whippet Club Racing Association (WCRA). For 26 years from 1963 she was secretary of the Whippet Club.

Not until 1989, when she was 82, did she give up the Laguna kennels, and go to live with her daughter in Worcestershire. Even then she took 12 dogs with her. Two of them are still alive, both aged 16; she went out with them to within a fortnight of her death.

Dorrit McKay was present at the Whippet Club Centenary Show at Uttoxeter in July 1999. And in June this year, as President, she presented the prizes at the 30th anniversary of the WCRA.

Her daughter, Lilah Bond Gunning, continues the Laguna tradition.

 

 

Very interesting post.

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AUGUST 2000

DORRIT McKAY, who has died aged 93, exercised a vital influence on the breeding of whippets through the Laguna kennels, which she ran for 38 years at Brightwalton Holt in Berkshire.

Perhaps the most remarkable of her many champions was a brindle and white whippet, Champion Laguna Ligonier, born in 1960. Between 1962 and 1972 no fewer than 80 litters sired by this dog were registered with the Kennel Club, and from these came 11 United Kingdom champions.

Dorrit McKay was also passionately interested in coursing, and would sometimes present the same dogs at shows and races, sometimes on successive days. This was possible because she bred whippets which were as notable for speed and stamina as for elegance.

Although Dorrit McKay regretted that the standard height for whippets (20 in at the shoulder) had not been maintained at shows, she was amply rewarded from coursing, winning 75 stakes. Bitches, she found, were just as fast, and rather more determined, than dogs.

Nevertheless, her best performer, Laguna Leader, was a dog, and from 1986 to 1989 the outstanding courser in Britain. It was a bad day when he was stolen by gipsies, bundled into a sack and driven away in a van. Her son-in-law gave chase, and noted the van's number, but her worries multiplied when the vehicle was discovered completely burnt out. Happily Laguna Leader was recovered unharmed after three weeks.

Today virtually all successful whippets, both in Britain and abroad (especially in America and Sweden) have some Laguna ancestry. Yet Dorrit McKay was well into her 30s before she owned a single whippet.

She was born Dorothea Ursula Noble at Fareham in Hampshire on November 10 1906, the daughter of an Army officer. She was educated by governesses, and, later, at a boarding school in Wimbledon. In childhood she concentrated her love of dogs upon her Sealyhams.

On leaving school Dorrit Noble lived with her parents in Dover, and devoted herself to golf, croquet and, particularly, tennis, which she played ambidextrously and to county standard. At a tournament in Aldershot, she met Captain John McKay, an officer in the 7th Hussars. They married in 1931.

After three peripatetic years they settled in a house called Wheatlands near Newbury, Berkshire. Dorrit McKay's interest in whippets was kindled by a groom who owned one, which she used to exercise on Greenham Common.

As a retired officer, Captain McKay obtained horses for the regiment, and in 1939 Dorrit McKay drove him to Tiptree, in Essex, on this quest. The horse they saw proved unsatisfactory, but she persuaded him instead to visit Stanley Wilkins's whippet kennels nearby, and returned home with a bitch called Tiptree Joan.

At the outbreak of the Second World War Captain McKay joined the RAF. The McKays were posted to various stations in the north of England, and in Lancashire Dorrit McKay became enthusiastic about whippet racing.

Not until 1945, however, did Tiptree Joan have her first litter. Dorrit McKay kept a bitch she called Jovial Judy, who not only won more than 100 awards at open shows, but also produced her first champion, Laguna Liege, which was best-in-show at the Whippet Club's Jubilee show in 1950.

The McKays settled at Brightwalton Holt in 1951. An important moment in the development of the kennels' reputation came in late 1958, when Champion Laguna Lucky Lad became the first whippet to win the hound group at Westminster, the American equivalent of Cruft's.

Captain McKay died in 1970, but Dorrit McKay kept the kennels going singlehandedly until 1989. Nor did she confine her attention to her own dogs. She was a founder member of the Whippet Coursing Club in 1962, served as patron of J R Whippet Rescue (started in the 1960s), and in 1970 became chairman of the Whippet Club Racing Association (WCRA). For 26 years from 1963 she was secretary of the Whippet Club.

Not until 1989, when she was 82, did she give up the Laguna kennels, and go to live with her daughter in Worcestershire. Even then she took 12 dogs with her. Two of them are still alive, both aged 16; she went out with them to within a fortnight of her death.

Dorrit McKay was present at the Whippet Club Centenary Show at Uttoxeter in July 1999. And in June this year, as President, she presented the prizes at the 30th anniversary of the WCRA.

Her daughter, Lilah Bond Gunning, continues the Laguna tradition.

 

Very interesting post, most knowledgable chap, now bung us one of your saluki pups over to me please, i thank you :signthankspin:

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the dam of my mates bitch i dont know the bitch was owned by Lilah Bond-Gunning although you may call her referred to as L. Wainman now as she has re-married. the sire to my mates bitch... He's a fawn with blue mask (DOB 10/11/04) & the sire is CH Welstar Red Robin.

 

hope it helps you along cocker :thumbs:

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the dam of my mates bitch i dont know the bitch was owned by Lilah Bond-Gunning although you may call her referred to as L. Wainman now as she has re-married. the sire to my mates bitch... He's a fawn with blue mask (DOB 10/11/04) & the sire is CH Welstar Red Robin.

 

hope it helps you along cocker :thumbs:

 

nice breeding, did mike breed that does he now own Laguna Lilts Lolita

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the dam of my mates bitch i dont know the bitch was owned by Lilah Bond-Gunning although you may call her referred to as L. Wainman now as she has re-married. the sire to my mates bitch... He's a fawn with blue mask (DOB 10/11/04) & the sire is CH Welstar Red Robin.

 

hope it helps you along cocker :thumbs:

 

nice breeding, did mike breed that

 

no all i can tell you is my mate went to mb for a laguna mike sorted it out for him if you read my first ever post it was telling the member to go to mike for info and advice as i see him as the most knowledgeable whippet breeder i have met (there will be others) obviously i have not met them... mike sorted it for him mike has very strong laguna lines through his kennels over the years and still has the bitch my pal has is laguna and i would like to add he paid £450 for the bitch so its papers mean something imo wouldnt you say so?

 

atb :thumbs:

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the dam of my mates bitch i dont know the bitch was owned by Lilah Bond-Gunning although you may call her referred to as L. Wainman now as she has re-married. the sire to my mates bitch... He's a fawn with blue mask (DOB 10/11/04) & the sire is CH Welstar Red Robin.

 

hope it helps you along cocker :thumbs:

 

 

breeding of welstar red robinSire: Gorwynne Reed Bunting of BaldreyDam: Welstar Reflections

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the dam of my mates bitch i dont know the bitch was owned by Lilah Bond-Gunning although you may call her referred to as L. Wainman now as she has re-married. the sire to my mates bitch... He's a fawn with blue mask (DOB 10/11/04) & the sire is CH Welstar Red Robin.

 

hope it helps you along cocker :thumbs:

 

nice breeding, did mike breed that

 

no all i can tell you is my mate went to mb for a laguna mike sorted it out for him if you read my first ever post it was telling the member to go to mike for info and advice as i see him as the most knowledgeable whippet breeder i have met (there will be others) obviously i have not met them... mike sorted it for him mike has very strong laguna lines through his kennels over the years and still has the bitch my pal has is laguna and i would like to add he paid £450 for the bitch so its papers mean something imo wouldnt you say so?

 

atb :thumbs:

 

 

i take on board what your saying, but mike brown still doesnt breed laguna,s just cos he sorted your mate and pointed him in the right direction, that one was bred by linda jones and lilah wainman,only she can call them laguna. yes its papers do mean something and its well bred, but that isnt due to mikes input,

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