starting pups

[brock 11]

last night me and my mates got into a big discussion about what makes young dogs open up,starting to young,frustration,excitement etc,but we got talking about walking pups with terriers hunting rabbits n speaking,does anybody think this could encourage a pup to open up

[Guest CharlieC]

its possible they could learn from hunting alongside other dogs that do it, but its been my experience that if theyre going to do it, they will most likely do it from frustration if they cant get to their quarry and when run too young. Christ knows why some dogs do it and others dont, but I think you can tell at a fairly early age the ones that might have a tendency to do it, and then hold them back from hunting for their own good, if you watch a couple of pups chasing each other around the garden, if one is faster and the other one cant catch up with it and starts to let out yelps of frustration, theres a good chance it will do the same when its chasing quarry. Just my little theory, I try to watch pups for hours when theyre playing so that I make sure I pick the right one. The ones that yap as they chase their playmates are the ones to avoid.

[brock 11]

yeah thats exactly what i think,what they do in practice they take into their work.and your theory is something that has happened to a mates pup,she is a lightning fast little bitch but barked whilst chasing the older dogs,then when he started lamping her at 12 months she started doing it on rabbits

[Guest Doug]

Careful not to label pups with adult faults, though - I've had several very vocal pups but they were all silent as the grave once they started proper work. One yip doesn't make a yapper.

[doxhope 2]

Rightly or wrongly I have always been a one for early entering, but I never have a set age for this, all pups are different as should be treated as such. I have had lurchers that killed their first rabbit at 6 months, a deerhound xgreyhound bitch, normaly a fairly slow at maturing cross took her first hare at 7 month. If early entering can cause yapping, good fortune has shone on me thats for sure. In nearly thrity years I have never had a yapper.

In my area before standards dropped a bit, yappers, along with quitters and sheep killers were never tolerated. Like other posts have mentioned yapping is a bit of a dilema. A lot of yappers are really fast dogs, others I have seen yapped on rabbits but not on hares. Breeding might have something to do with it too, also working lurchers along with a terrier pack. The worst yappers Ive seen had either terrier or whippet blood in them, but any cross can yap. Remember Alan Sanky when he was a younging had a very useful lurcher before he got into match dogs, but it sang like a banshee. He got its throat cords cut by a vet, before these sort of things were frowned upon and stopped, although you couldnt here it at a distance if she came close when on the back of a hare muffled noises could still be detected.

[shaun v 3]

i think in some casers its down to breeding ive seen hole litters yap and lots which where from the same sire, take hancocks everyone ive seen have given mouth esp in the later years,

i do what charlie says, i watch pups at an early age and if they are giving mouth when they are chasing or playing with other dogs i hold them back.

all of mine are entered early if i think they are ready, you should treat each dog on there merits it is not set in stone on when to enter your dog as each one is different.

there was one i owned was slaughtering rabbits but when it came to hares it yapped but so did the full litter :realmad:

[burnie69 376]

i think in some casers its down to breeding ive seen hole litters yap and lots which where from the same sire, take hancocks everyone ive seen have given mouth esp in the later years,

i do what charlie says, i watch pups at an early age and if they are giving mouth when they are chasing or playing with other dogs i hold them back.

all of mine are entered early if i think they are ready, you should treat each dog on there merits it  is not set in stone on when to enter your dog as each one is different.

there was one i owned was slaughtering rabbits but when it came to hares it yapped but so did the full litter :realmad:

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[Guest CharlieC]

I had a bitch who used to yip when she jumped a fence chasing something, this was the only time she uttered a sound, it was as though she couldnt get her feet back on the ground again quick enough

that kind of yip doesnt bother me, I see it as a sign of keeness, and if they can catch what theyre chasing, I can be quite forgiving

 

(gone soft in me old age :11: )

[Guest Nightwalker]

I have always worked my dogs with terriers right from when they are tiny without producing yappers. My dogs self-enter - because they are always out and about with lots of game around and sooner or later encounter charlie, deer, hare etc, this often means that they start fairly early but again don't yap. I have only ever had one yapper - that was a first cross bull/greyhound he was silent on rabbit, fox and deer but would yap behind a hare which needless to say he was too slow to catch.

[Guest the verminator]

take it ur not a hancock fan then shaun

[shaun v 3]

they where decent dogs in the 's but when you breed from non workers you end up with problems, he made the big mistake by not using dogs or bitches which where good workers and introducing them back into the blood lines.

which caused his breed to go stail

[Guest the verminator]

each 2 there own then, iv got a hancock bred dog and have no complaints with him he has done everything iv asked of him

[doxhope 2]

Affraid thats the problem when people are breeding commercially, quantity rather than quality rules. Everyone genuine breeder sets a goal, weather it is to breed a champion show dog, great workers or what. Handcocks goal was to produce as many pups as possible, lets face it he wasnt doing anything special, first crossers of any breeding are the easiest to produce, you just have to have a greyhound bitch, a collie dog, deerhound dog, Bedlington dog etc, and you are away. Shaun is right however,, the better working examples are bred from workers, where graft proves which ones are best, and sorts out any faults due to the volumes of work they are subjected to. Handcock bred an enormous amount of dogs, but picking on a cross that has so much wasteage per litter meant the better examples were always going to be in the minority. If I as a breeder, had bred as many pups with the success rate of good dogs as he did, I would have considered myself as a failure. If your worst pup in the 5th, 10th, 50th or 100th litter is just as bad as the worst pup in your first litter, you, as a breeder have acheived nothing, but maybe a bigger bank balance....

[Stabs 3]

I've got a pure bulldog here that yaps and he certainly wasn't entered early....he's just a noisy f*cker. Personally I couldn't give a sh*t.

[doxhope 2]

GO ON THERE STABS,

But honestly, I couldnt be doing with a yapper, call me old fashioned if you like matie