not happy

[porkypowell 2]

A man with a rifle can kill more foxes in the course of a season than a terrier in its working life.

I suppose this is all a result of the hunting ban.

Like all government polices they are made by people who don`t understand the subject they are dabbling with.

It seems to me the countryside fox population is under serious threat and one day it might lead to them being protected just like the badger population and now we are over run with them.

I think we can all see what will be happening in the future when the badger population starts to take over the urban paradise.

At least the rifle boys will have a new target to put a hole in I suppose it cheaper then paper.

I don`t expect any comments from the rifle fraternity as you have your own form on this site to post on, this is for Working Terriers & Earthdogs.

Simon

Edited March 2, 2007 by porkypowell

[Guest foxtrack]

A man with a rifle can kill more foxes in the course of a season than a terrier in is working life. I suppose this is all a result of the hunting ban. Like all government polices they are made by people who don`t understand the subject they are dabbling with. It seems to me the countryside fox population is under serious threat and one day it might lead to them being protected just like the badger population and now we are over run with them. I think we can all see what will be happening in the future when the badger population starts to take over the urban paradise. At least the rifle boys will have a new target to put a hole in I suppose it cheaper then paper. I don`t expext any comments from the rifle fraternity as you have your own form on this site to post on this is for Working Terriers & Earthdogs.

Simon

yes the countryside foxes are under threat

so being the conservation'its that i am i think we should all go out and dig pigs

[waz77 15]

A man with a rifle can kill more foxes in the course of a season than a terrier in is working life. I suppose this is all a result of the hunting ban. Like all government polices they are made by people who don`t understand the subject they are dabbling with. It seems to me the countryside fox population is under serious threat and one day it might lead to them being protected just like the badger population and now we are over run with them. I think we can all see what will be happening in the future when the badger population starts to take over the urban paradise. At least the rifle boys will have a new target to put a hole in I suppose it cheaper then paper. I don`t expext any comments from the rifle fraternity as you have your own form on this site to post on this is for Working Terriers & Earthdogs.

Simon

yes the countryside foxes are under threat

so being the conservation'its that i am i think we should all go out and dig pigs

 

[hafod 1]

this argumment will go on for ever in a day...its a sad fact that that it comes to this,there is a time and a place for a rifle,and i have no argumment for that,but what really gets to me is basic things like when a farmer is loosing stock....in the days of hounds,iff a farmer woke early to find stock killed the hounds were called immediately and a drag was tacken off the killing scene and the chances are the culprit was tacken,now with the new laws this is much harder,instead of getting the true culprit,a person with a rifle turns up equipped with lamp and maybe a lot of foxes will be shot,maybe the one who as done the killing wont be seen,or is lamp shy ,so you have dead foxes and maybe not the killer,who"s the happiest,you the rifle man who says you just shot x amount or the farmer who is still loosing stock..?yes there is a need for fox control,that we are all agreed,but carry it out in a sensible manner,its not about wipeing the fox population out,its about controling numbers.....

[conor 7]

how many of the lads spouting on about shooting foxes own livestock? ever seen the remains of 20 plus lambs outside a den? would ye give a toss? not supprised sports get banned when narrow minded twits can only see the nose in front of their face. people in huning, shooting sports should stick together plenty sport for everyone.

 

your man porkypowel hit the nail on the head there, we have "our" own part of the site, what a twit.

Edited March 2, 2007 by conor

[lucky 578]

how many of the lads spouting on about shooting foxes own livestock? ever seen the remains of 20 plus lambs outside a den? would ye give a toss? not supprised sports get banned when narrow minded twits can only see the nose in front of their face. people in huning, shooting sports should stick together plenty sport for everyone.

 

your man porkypowel hit the nail on the head there, we have "our" own part of the site, what a twit.

 

there is'nt a problem with control, if theres a fox problem its entirely up to the land owner how he wants to deal with it, what i dont understand is people that get there kicks from shooting foxes, people that do it just for the crack, why not shoot targets at the same ranges its exactly the same, some shooters dont even go to see what they've actually shot, unless they want to pace it out so they can tell everbody how far there last victim was, and how big a hole they put in it.

 

we've all seen the lambs outside earths aswell, thats when cubs are being reared it's nature, so what would you do, go out that night with the lamp and knock the parents off with the gun and leave the cubs to starve to death ? hardly sporting is it.

 

or would you get the local terrier man in to dig the earth and make sure all the occupants were desatched ? i doubt this option would even get considered, but why not if we're supposed to stick together ?.

 

i always wondered how many shooters, fishermen etc still voted for labour when they realised there sport was safe ? i think we'd all be shocked if the figures were at hand

[dai dog 11]

there are so many shooters round here, i think its coming detrimental to the farmers, the fox knows exactly what a light means! the only way you would catch one is to either bait a field or be lucky to stumble on one! i go by a bit of a personal motto ( never knock another mans sport!) but these rifle commandos kill huge amounts & then boast in the pub! i dont agree with it! i thaught it was about shooting & conservation, not just shooting? its a love to rear a dog & work it, takes time effort, patcience. only to find that all the fox's are dead! i do know some genuine rifle boys, that love theyre sport, & good on em! & nice guys to boot, but what i have found is that perhaps % of these riflers know nothing about wildlife, the way of the rural world, have very high payed jobs & just drive about in theyre very expensive jeeps shooting out of the windows! they dont even get out! + theyve only been doing it 2 minutes!

[conor 7]

we've all seen the lambs outside earths aswell, thats when cubs are being reared it's nature, so what would you do, go out that night with the lamp and knock the parents off with the gun and leave the cubs to starve to death ? hardly sporting is it.

 

lucky, id rather get the fox shot before they get the chance to go into cubs. sure there are boasters in every sport or way of life. from what ive read on here there are a hell of alot into the dog side of things too. you dont hear lads who go lampin running down the use of dogs?? what you describe are a few knobs so you cast all from the same mould, be a man and grow up.

Edited March 3, 2007 by conor

[ferreterno1 0]

the fact is foxes do alot of damage, so need to be controlled only this morning i was helping a keeper collect pheseants from his catching pens only to find a fox had got to one of them first so its going have to be sorted and the rifle is the answer its simply pest control, even though he shot over 100 last season we saw 8 last week whilst lamping theres no shortage of them.

[Guest JohnGalway]

I don`t expect any comments from the rifle fraternity as you have your own form on this site to post on, this is for Working Terriers & Earthdogs.

Simon

 

I've nothing against dog people, but, if you start bitching about people expect them to reply. If you don't like what's said then shut your f*****g trap This isn't a playground although it does a good immitation at times.

 

How many of the moaners on this subject own their own land? Or keep stock or game birds? Just a bunch of up yer arse selfish idiots who will succeed eventually in getting everything banned. Good luck to ye cos I'm delighted I live in a different country and won't be affected by your stupidity.

 

That said I'm off to clean my rifle

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

Sport. Conservation. Preservation. BAN. I too am lucky to live in a different country where the rifle laws are a bit more stringent and it is slightly more difficult to obtain a FAC, though that is changing rapidly for the worse I may add, some of the guys I know that have recently aquired a FAC I would'nt trust them with a catapult. I aggree with men having rifles to CONTROL not to slaughter, my father shoots a rifle but then he has been shooting 50 years and knows the way nature works and does'nt slaughter. As for those who are banging on about owning land I don't know many guys that go out with rifles that own large swathes of land or rear cattle and sheep, they are lucky to have a FAC so out they go Johnny Rambo for the night drive round the countryside shooting anything that moves. We all see the holes in road signs and such like and I know there are a great number of honnest men shooting with rifles but it's the idiots that this thread is directed at not those of you who respect their quarry ALIVE OR DEAD! I sympathise with you terriermen accross the puddle as we had a difficult season here finding charlie to ground but we still managed to find some good game to ground so we did't have a real bad season as opposed to some of you in Eng,Sco,Wales. I think these rifle men are not going to go away and I don't mean the responsible lads and their numbers will increase but it's up to everyone in the fields to try and educate these assholes rather than just fcuk them off as that will more than likely make them want to shoot more, I think education is the key not condemnation. JMO.

[david2363 42]

I'm sure that I have said this before on another thread but..... Once a man gets his licence, he can go and buy

the best gun and scope that he can afford, and go out and shoot foxes that very night.

 

A terrier or Lurcher enthusiast has to carefully breed or prudently buy a pup (admitedly some buy a "ready made" dog) The dog man has to feed , kennel, train and generally nurture this ball of fluff for at least a year before a fox is a viable proposition.

 

The gunman merely has to buy some ammo.

 

When the 1st year is up, the dog man has to go cap in hand looking for suitable permission - he is in many cases distrusted and unwanted, so he finds it hard going.

 

Dirty Harry, our gunman, conversely finds it far easier to get on land with his high powered rifle. (I'ts less dangerous than a dog after all)

After a good nights "sport", with 6 or 7 foxes lying dead in the fields and god knows how many limping away to die of their wounds, Harry takes his rifle from it's sling and locks it away in the secure cabinet until the next time he feels the killing urge come over him.

 

Dog man meanwhile , takes his mutts home, tends to their wounds, feeds them and makes sure that they are

comfortable. His dog took a bit of stick last night and may not be out for a few weeks.

 

Addmitedly some dogmen are wankers who want to kill as much as they can, whenever they can, BUT, for the

majority these days, watching their dog work and do his job is as important to them as lilling for killings sake.

 

I know all you Dirty Harrys out here are going to disagree but , the average dogman is MUCH more in tune with the ways of the countryside and indeed the wildlife than the average gunman.

 

Hunting with dogs is emotive (ironically , thats why they banned it).

Hunting with a high powered rifle is the polar opposite, it is cold and calculating, the only thing between the gun and the quarry being a loud bang.

 

I know that some guys do dogs and guns but I get the distinct impression that most didn't give a fvck when hunting with dogs was banned, as long as they can carry on regardless.

 

But I'm sure that if they don't stop killing the numbers that they do , they too could fall by the wayside.

 

Tell me Harry - "do you feel lucky? "

 

 

[conor 7]

there must be alot of wankers round your part of the country eamon, my dads a land owner and id gladly shoot every fox on the land i do and there are always more, 50 lambs give or take better for us to be alive than in a foxes belly. not replying on this subject anymore because its been proven narrow minded pricks dont listen anyway. good luck on converting the rambos

[Yokel Matt 918]

I don`t expect any comments from the rifle fraternity as you have your own form on this site to post on, this is for Working Terriers & Earthdogs.

Simon

 

You ignorant f**k... like some people don't do both.

 

Dave... obviously foxing with a rifle ain't your cup of tea either and you're passionate about using dogs... you're in it for the 'experience'. Fine. That much i can relate to... Everything else you wrote is blinkered bollocks.. i amazed that, as a dogman yourself who is "so MUCH more in tune with the ways of the countryside and indeed the wildlife than the average gunman" is so f*****g IGNORANT about other countryside pursuits. you are, however, missing a trick on a career opportunity (comedy circuit maybe?)... it was a good laugh.

Edited March 3, 2007 by LocalYokel

[david2363 42]

LocalYokel (you don't mind if I call you "Loco" for short?)

 

Read my post again, and tell me where it says that "I" personally am more in tune with the countryside.

 

But in my experience, I find dog men on the whole to be so.

I will admit that I have never felt comfortable around guns, and this probably colours my judgement.

 

As for the comedy, why not? It eases the tension somewhat, among all the tit for tat shit.

 

......... and dont you ever call me ignorant ..