donny D 0 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Hi folks, Just as the title says : How much of a problem do stoats cause you ?? Do you lose many birds to them ?? Just wondered as a lot of people seem to be against killing them ! ATB Donny Quote Link to post
DottyDoo 500 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 we have that many stoats here its normal to stumble upon 20 kills a year, while they are happening.... obviously i know stoats eat a lot more than the stuff i catch them killing, but i gotta say i seen about 50 stoat kills in last couple a years an its always bunnys they seem to be catching..... i like stoats, i can watch them for hours, but i understand they need controlled an have had a few wae terriers an lurchers while mooching, but as i say i think they are cracking wee animals... ill be watchin this thread to see what you keepers make a them Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? I know what you are saying mate, but i meant that laying traps about the pen, in tunnels, and ensuring it's well fenced, and if needs be shooting them around the pens, is one thing. Shooting any stoat on the shoot on sight is another. We have them, they kill rabbits, don't ever really lose birds to them. Edited July 9, 2011 by Ideation Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? I know what you are saying mate, but i meant that laying traps about the pen, in tunnels, and ensuring it's well fenced, and if needs be shooting them around the pens, is one thing. Shooting any stoat on the shoot on sight is another. We have them, they kill rabbits, don't ever really lose birds to them. I get what you mean now reading your first post I took it to mean that pens should be built to exclude stoats not an easy task as you can imagine I do trap stoats and go out of my way to kill them but we have a number of red listed ground nesting birds on the estate and with them every one counts Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? I know what you are saying mate, but i meant that laying traps about the pen, in tunnels, and ensuring it's well fenced, and if needs be shooting them around the pens, is one thing. Shooting any stoat on the shoot on sight is another. We have them, they kill rabbits, don't ever really lose birds to them. Fair enough mate, if you got a good reason and a healthy stoat population thats fine by me. It's where folk hold onto the old idea that they are on the 'vermin' list and actively hunt/shoot them with no real reason other than something else to shoot. I get what you mean now reading your first post I took it to mean that pens should be built to exclude stoats not an easy task as you can imagine I do trap stoats and go out of my way to kill them but we have a number of red listed ground nesting birds on the estate and with them every one counts Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? I know what you are saying mate, but i meant that laying traps about the pen, in tunnels, and ensuring it's well fenced, and if needs be shooting them around the pens, is one thing. Shooting any stoat on the shoot on sight is another. We have them, they kill rabbits, don't ever really lose birds to them. Fair enough mate, if you got a good reason and a healthy stoat population thats fine by me. It's where folk hold onto the old idea that they are on the 'vermin' list and actively hunt/shoot them with no real reason other than something else to shoot. I get what you mean now reading your first post I took it to mean that pens should be built to exclude stoats not an easy task as you can imagine I do trap stoats and go out of my way to kill them but we have a number of red listed ground nesting birds on the estate and with them every one counts Just wondering what the differnce is to someone shooting a stoat too someone shooting say a pigeon is. A stoat would be a problem for me but a pigeon would not so really i would rather shoot a stoat than a pigeon for finacial reasons...... Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? I know what you are saying mate, but i meant that laying traps about the pen, in tunnels, and ensuring it's well fenced, and if needs be shooting them around the pens, is one thing. Shooting any stoat on the shoot on sight is another. We have them, they kill rabbits, don't ever really lose birds to them. Fair enough mate, if you got a good reason and a healthy stoat population thats fine by me. It's where folk hold onto the old idea that they are on the 'vermin' list and actively hunt/shoot them with no real reason other than something else to shoot. I get what you mean now reading your first post I took it to mean that pens should be built to exclude stoats not an easy task as you can imagine I do trap stoats and go out of my way to kill them but we have a number of red listed ground nesting birds on the estate and with them every one counts Totally agree far too many people hide behind the "vermin list" when the reality is they cannot show good reason for their actions Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? I know what you are saying mate, but i meant that laying traps about the pen, in tunnels, and ensuring it's well fenced, and if needs be shooting them around the pens, is one thing. Shooting any stoat on the shoot on sight is another. We have them, they kill rabbits, don't ever really lose birds to them. Fair enough mate, if you got a good reason and a healthy stoat population thats fine by me. It's where folk hold onto the old idea that they are on the 'vermin' list and actively hunt/shoot them with no real reason other than something else to shoot. I get what you mean now reading your first post I took it to mean that pens should be built to exclude stoats not an easy task as you can imagine I do trap stoats and go out of my way to kill them but we have a number of red listed ground nesting birds on the estate and with them every one counts Just wondering what the differnce is to someone shooting a stoat too someone shooting say a pigeon is. A stoat would be a problem for me but a pigeon would not so really i would rather shoot a stoat than a pigeon for finacial reasons...... should think the difference is that some use the excuse of vermin to hide their sport rather than duty Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? I know what you are saying mate, but i meant that laying traps about the pen, in tunnels, and ensuring it's well fenced, and if needs be shooting them around the pens, is one thing. Shooting any stoat on the shoot on sight is another. We have them, they kill rabbits, don't ever really lose birds to them. Fair enough mate, if you got a good reason and a healthy stoat population thats fine by me. It's where folk hold onto the old idea that they are on the 'vermin' list and actively hunt/shoot them with no real reason other than something else to shoot. I get what you mean now reading your first post I took it to mean that pens should be built to exclude stoats not an easy task as you can imagine I do trap stoats and go out of my way to kill them but we have a number of red listed ground nesting birds on the estate and with them every one counts Just wondering what the differnce is to someone shooting a stoat too someone shooting say a pigeon is. A stoat would be a problem for me but a pigeon would not so really i would rather shoot a stoat than a pigeon for finacial reasons...... should think the difference is that some use the excuse of vermin to hide their sport rather than duty So you cant shoot unless you are doing it for a job, food or cleaning up vermin..............is shooting to some people not just a sport then..... Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? I know what you are saying mate, but i meant that laying traps about the pen, in tunnels, and ensuring it's well fenced, and if needs be shooting them around the pens, is one thing. Shooting any stoat on the shoot on sight is another. We have them, they kill rabbits, don't ever really lose birds to them. Fair enough mate, if you got a good reason and a healthy stoat population thats fine by me. It's where folk hold onto the old idea that they are on the 'vermin' list and actively hunt/shoot them with no real reason other than something else to shoot. I get what you mean now reading your first post I took it to mean that pens should be built to exclude stoats not an easy task as you can imagine I do trap stoats and go out of my way to kill them but we have a number of red listed ground nesting birds on the estate and with them every one counts Just wondering what the differnce is to someone shooting a stoat too someone shooting say a pigeon is. A stoat would be a problem for me but a pigeon would not so really i would rather shoot a stoat than a pigeon for finacial reasons...... should think the difference is that some use the excuse of vermin to hide their sport rather than duty So you cant shoot unless you are doing it for a job, food or cleaning up vermin..............is shooting to some people not just a sport then..... Yes mate, but shooting an animal like a stoat for sport is wrong imo. Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Danw - you made two very good points there by the way. Quote Link to post
Lab 10,979 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? I know what you are saying mate, but i meant that laying traps about the pen, in tunnels, and ensuring it's well fenced, and if needs be shooting them around the pens, is one thing. Shooting any stoat on the shoot on sight is another. We have them, they kill rabbits, don't ever really lose birds to them. Fair enough mate, if you got a good reason and a healthy stoat population thats fine by me. It's where folk hold onto the old idea that they are on the 'vermin' list and actively hunt/shoot them with no real reason other than something else to shoot. I get what you mean now reading your first post I took it to mean that pens should be built to exclude stoats not an easy task as you can imagine I do trap stoats and go out of my way to kill them but we have a number of red listed ground nesting birds on the estate and with them every one counts Just wondering what the differnce is to someone shooting a stoat too someone shooting say a pigeon is. A stoat would be a problem for me but a pigeon would not so really i would rather shoot a stoat than a pigeon for finacial reasons...... should think the difference is that some use the excuse of vermin to hide their sport rather than duty So you cant shoot unless you are doing it for a job, food or cleaning up vermin..............is shooting to some people not just a sport then..... Yes mate, but shooting an animal like a stoat for sport is wrong imo. I never undersatnd the rule book.............. Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 We have them here and they mostly kill rabbits, if they got INTO a pen of poults you might have a problem, but that is generally your fault. How would you stop one getting in your pen without killing it then mate? I know what you are saying mate, but i meant that laying traps about the pen, in tunnels, and ensuring it's well fenced, and if needs be shooting them around the pens, is one thing. Shooting any stoat on the shoot on sight is another. We have them, they kill rabbits, don't ever really lose birds to them. Fair enough mate, if you got a good reason and a healthy stoat population thats fine by me. It's where folk hold onto the old idea that they are on the 'vermin' list and actively hunt/shoot them with no real reason other than something else to shoot. I get what you mean now reading your first post I took it to mean that pens should be built to exclude stoats not an easy task as you can imagine I do trap stoats and go out of my way to kill them but we have a number of red listed ground nesting birds on the estate and with them every one counts Just wondering what the differnce is to someone shooting a stoat too someone shooting say a pigeon is. A stoat would be a problem for me but a pigeon would not so really i would rather shoot a stoat than a pigeon for finacial reasons...... should think the difference is that some use the excuse of vermin to hide their sport rather than duty So you cant shoot unless you are doing it for a job, food or cleaning up vermin..............is shooting to some people not just a sport then..... I don't see killing vermin as sport I see it as work nothing more if I didn't have to kill fox,stoat whatever for work then I would have no reason to would I not unless it was for sport and then that isn't what the vermin list was intended for now was it. Quote Link to post
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