removing meat

[Nipper 0]

BARF and RMB is for romantics....... Nowt wrong with that, it's your choice, just don't denounce anyone who feeds dry complete food as being lazy and having animals with rotten teeth and cancerous lumps hanging off them........

[Guest Frank]

I feed my wee whippet pup, who is now 6 months old, Red Mills Tracker, chicken, rabbit, minced beef, scraps from the buthers, bones ect (free ), goat, chub dog food and venison.

 

She seems to be coming on great.

 

I varie the deit, so she does not get bored and feed twice a day.

 

I see nowt rong with complete foods, so long as they are a good brand, with a high meat ect content.

 

The wife has 2 dogs, that have had nothing much else but Royal Canin and they are in top condition.

 

Frank.

[socks 32,253]

if you want the best out of em you should feed em the best you can, good quality meat good quality bread etc and if they are worked daily then its best minced fine and fed lean to go through em quickly and make getting the best out of their diet easily with the odd bone and big lumps of meat fed on days off to clean teeth and help with stomach acids

JMO

 

you wont get the best out of your dogs by feeding lean meat as they needs fats as thats where a dog derives its energy from unlike humans that get theirs from carbs ..... how does feeding big lumps of meat clean teeth and help with stomach acids ??????????????

[squirreltail 15]

Might not be relevant to this thread...but the absolute number 1 source of protein is the humble EGG..followed closely by milk....

 

Gnasher, that's egg white only though isn't it rather than whole egg?

 

Have you got the stats on milk as that surprises me?

 

dont feed egg white, their system cannot digest it. only feed the yolk. :thumbs-up:

[brock 11]

THE BARF DIET,yes it maybe naturally very good,but people bang on about how can you beat nature?nature can easilly be beaten,its like this,if nature was so purfect every athlete would drink water after a race,does he,no he doesnt,he drinks lucozade,or someting similair.people or athletes from the british isles wouldnt be able to eat bananas,or any other foreign fruit or veg,when every one talks about the balf diet all it does for the dog is perserve it in the long run,nothing in its running life,feeding a raw diet helps the dog having to produce enzymes to break down food,which there for stops kidney breakdown and liver breakdown at old age,i been on the ,so not writing anymore

[juckler123 707]

if you want the best out of em you should feed em the best you can, good quality meat good quality bread etc and if they are worked daily then its best minced fine and fed lean to go through em quickly and make getting the best out of their diet easily with the odd bone and big lumps of meat fed on days off to clean teeth and help with stomach acids

JMO

 

you wont get the best out of your dogs by feeding lean meat as they needs fats as thats where a dog derives its energy from unlike humans that get theirs from carbs ..... how does feeding big lumps of meat clean teeth and help with stomach acids ??????????????

 

So all the hare killing dogs and lamping dogs ive run over the years have had no energy theyve had enough to kill hares daily and lamp when ever ive wanted to take em out which might be seven nights in a row bones for teeth and big lumps of meat does help with the bile build up on days off

[gnasher16 30,121]

:thumbs-up:

Might not be relevant to this thread...but the absolute number 1 source of protein is the humble EGG..followed closely by milk....

 

Gnasher, that's egg white only though isn't it rather than whole egg?

 

Have you got the stats on milk as that surprises me?

 

dont feed egg white, their system cannot digest it. only feed the yolk. :thumbs-up:

 

 

:whistle: ...as you highlighted..it wasnt relevant to this thread :thumbs-up:

[TOMO 26,225]

THE BARF DIET,yes it maybe naturally very good,but people bang on about how can you beat nature?nature can easilly be beaten,its like this,if nature was so purfect every athlete would drink water after a race,does he,no he doesnt,he drinks lucozade,or someting similair.people or athletes from the british isles wouldnt be able to eat bananas,or any other foreign fruit or veg,when every one talks about the balf diet all it does for the dog is perserve it in the long run,nothing in its running life,feeding a raw diet helps the dog having to produce enzymes to break down food,which there for stops kidney breakdown and liver breakdown at old age,i been on the ,so not writing anymore

 

ye cant tell . brock not one bit of that made sence

[brock 11]

,dogs are not carnivores like people believe,thats why when wolves make a kill the first part of the animal they eat is the stomach contents the chewed up grass etc,the barf diet is very good and will give your dog a long healthy life,but i just dont agree with people saying you cant beat nature

[socks 32,253]

THE BARF DIET,yes it maybe naturally very good,but people bang on about how can you beat nature?nature can easilly be beaten,its like this,if nature was so purfect every athlete would drink water after a race,does he,no he doesnt,he drinks lucozade,or someting similair.people or athletes from the british isles wouldnt be able to eat bananas,or any other foreign fruit or veg,when every one talks about the balf diet all it does for the dog is perserve it in the long run,nothing in its running life,feeding a raw diet helps the dog having to produce enzymes to break down food,which there for stops kidney breakdown and liver breakdown at old age,i been on the ,so not writing anymore

 

its the same as coursing dogs drinking recharge after a hard course its a quick fix ... but you couldnt live on it could you ... there is no substitute for pure h2o if there was then long range patrolers and expoditonists would take it ... but they dont they carry water ...... to make a complete food you have to use chemicals so how can that be better for dog ????????????

[socks 32,253]

no fresh meat is hung with no preservatives added .....................

[Eggy 0]

Just clearing up a misconception:

 

Fat is a important energy source for dogs (humans to a lesser degree), but animal protein, as well as being essential for building/repairing muscles tissues etc (from amino acids of digested protein)...but

 

........ingested it can also be transformed into 'energy'....this is metabolically done in the 'Urea cycle'....This is the bodies biochemical mechanism to remove nitrogen (this is partially what makes an amino acid an AMINO (NH3)-acid) from amino acids, so it can be converted (into glucose), to be used as energy.

 

The waste product from this conversion is Urea:...toxic ammonia (nitrogen waste from the amino-acid (protein-energy) convesion) is 'removed' from blood and coverted into Urea and pissed out (that is why stale piss stinks: bacteria that get into the puddle of wee & convert Urea back into ammonia (smell!!))

 

When you age (or are ill) you might find that the efficiency of removing the waste products (ei ammonia - Urea) is impaired when too much protein (red meat and wine ) is eaten - commonly known as a build up of Uric-acid between the joints - or GOUT.

 

So to sum it up... all animals & humans have the capability to convert excess protein (digestivly broken down to amino acids) into energy, with a waste product as a result (urea) that is pissed out

 

 

But it has to be said that a right protein/fat ratio is very important, if fat is lacking, protein will be used as an energy sourse (and less protein will be available for adequately building/repairing muscle and other tissues)

 

Cheers

 

Eggy

Edited March 6, 2007 by Eggy

[Guest lamper/gatherer]

i work in a slaughter house,the only thing my dogs ever get fed is fresh meat @ a big juicy bone, ever heard the saying "as fit as a butchers dog"

[Guest Frank]

Just clearing up a misconception:

 

Fat is a important energy source for dogs (humans to a lesser degree), but animal protein, as well as being essential for building/repairing muscles tissues etc (from amino acids of digested protein)...but

 

........ingested it can also be transformed into 'energy'....this is metabolically done in the 'Urea cycle'....This is the bodies biochemical mechanism to remove nitrogen (this is partially what makes an amino acid an AMINO (NH3)-acid) from amino acids, so it can be converted (into glucose), to be used as energy.

 

The waste product from this conversion is Urea:...toxic ammonia (nitrogen waste from the amino-acid (protein-energy) convesion) is 'removed' from blood and coverted into Urea and pissed out (that is why stale piss stinks: bacteria that get into the puddle of wee & convert Urea back into ammonia (smell!!))

 

When you age (or are ill) you might find that the efficiency of removing the waste products (ei ammonia - Urea) is impaired when too much protein (red meat and wine ) is eaten - commonly known as a build up of Uric-acid between the joints - or GOUT.

 

So to sum it up... all animals & humans have the capability to convert excess protein (digestivly broken down to amino acids) into energy, with a waste product as a result (urea) that is pissed out

 

 

But it has to be said that a right protein/fat ratio is very important, if fat is lacking, protein will be used as an energy sourse (and less protein will be available for adequately building/repairing muscle and other tissues)

 

Cheers

 

Eggy

 

Thanks for that Eggy, very interesting.

 

Frank.