would you agree

[cookey 1]

right lads and galls after owning a 22lr for a number of years i have got a 223 now i recon sum one on a 22lr that knows the gun bullet takes more skill than a cf rifel as bullet drop windage takes mor affect

so to sum it up dos it take more skill to shoot a 22lr in my opinon it dos

or do cf take more skill lol i think not

[HUnter_zero 58]

Okay, zero the .223 at the same range that you zeroed the .22rf. The .223 has around times the muzzle velocity of the .22rf. So place a coke can out at 300 yards. Now try to shoot the coke can...... Horses for courses me thinks.

 

John

[blackfox 9]

Hmmmmmm, my longest confirmed kill with a CF is 428yrds.... would you actually be able to shoot a rabbit at that range with a .22lr? hahahahaha

 

A .22lr has its place..... but not for long range

[pestcontrol121 11]

The CF would be more consistance due to better ammo and reloading than a .22lr, so if you reload for a CF it must take more skill

Take both rifles to a average range of say CF 200yards and .22lr 75yards than both have the same problem for the shooter at the end of the day which is (weather conditions and Ballistics)

Two different rifles and both need a lot of practice and skill to consistently hit your target at distance.

[cookey 1]

right i reload and well it just making shooting a 223 easy

what i am trying to say is that shooting a 22 lr in my opinon takes more skill to shoot

[cookey 1]

Okay, zero the .223 at the same range that you zeroed the .22rf. The .223 has around times the muzzle velocity of the .22rf. So place a coke can out at 300 yards. Now try to shoot the coke can...... Horses for courses me thinks.

 

John

 

lol that is not going to happen and u know it lol the 22 would have to b set up like a morter lol

i have hit coke tins out at 500 yards with my 223

and also shot my 22lr out to 300 yards on paper if u have a 22 try it and see it is not easy to hit out to 300 on a 22

[bullmastiff 615]

Basically the smaller air rifles/rimfire rifles etc are more likely to be shot at there extreme ranges than a centrefire rifle so it's seen to be 'harder' to shoot accurately.

Shoot an air rifle at 20yds and most people can put pellets through the bullseye but take it to 50-60yds and it's a damn sight more difficult, having to adjust by 6-7inch's for height and the same for a slight cross wind.

Same with the rimfire at 50yds it's fairly easy so it's seen as easier than an air rifle to shoot but at 100yds you've got the same trouble as you did with the Air rifle.

With the centrefire, 100yds is generally a safe learner distance that most novices will be shooting at with the more experianced shooters taking confidant shots at 200yds. Take it out to the extreme ranges of 4-500yds or further then again your back to real challenging shooting but how many get the chance to really shoot at that sort of ranges? not many I bet.

I think thats why people see the centrefire as an easier gun to use. JMO...

[danebrewer10 6]

if you consider the more loopy trajectory of a .22, perhaps the question is not whether you can shoot a CF more easily than a RF firld, but how easy it is to shoot any calibre against another, e.g. shooting a .45-70 at varying rtanges will take a better knowlege of the trajectory than say a .22-250.

 

but in general I'd say a CF rifle is probably more easy to shoot accurately- as: it is heavier- it settles better into your hold (if that makes sense) but apart from that I'd say they were comprable, unless you have a rifle which kicks like a mule or is particularly barky, then you might not shoot that as well as a different rifle of smaller calibre or a rimfire.

 

like others have said a CF or flat shooting rifle will be easier to shoot at extended ranges than a RF rifle due to the trajectoy and ability to buck the wind etc....

 

TBH the question is purely academic it really depends on the person I think...

[HUnter_zero 58]

lol that is not going to happen and u know it lol the 22 would have to b set up like a morter lol

i have hit coke tins out at 500 yards with my 223

and also shot my 22lr out to 300 yards on paper if u have a 22 try it and see it is not easy to hit out to 300 on a 22

 

 

The max range I shoot out with my .22lr is 100 yards and will hit 99.9% of all rabbits at this range. Both my .243 & .308 are zeroed at 100 yards, I am confident at 200 yards on deer with both. In reality I could extend my .22lr range out to 110 yards but after that the trajectory is like a brick and my .243" out to 300 yards, may be ditto with the .308.

Personally speaking I find the .22lr the easiest calibre to shoot, due to no recoil and the .308 the most accurate in terms of group size at 100 yards, with the .243 being the least accurate.

One of my favorite summer day pass times is to stake out balloons starting from 50 yards out to 1000 yards (50, 100, 150, 200 etc etc). I shoot from an elevated position with the first 50 to 400 yard balloons being shot at an angle, 450 to 700 more or less level with my position and 750 to 1000 slightly elevated. Passed 600 yards I have never hit a balloon on the first shot! Not sure about a .223 it's been a very long time since owning one. That said, my shooting position is a bit like a lab with a chronograph attached to a laptop, my windy meter , laser range finder (which fails much passed 500 yards). I did plan to make a portable reloading bench this year, so I could do a tad of reloading at the firing position but as I only ever go to this much trouble mid summer when work is getting on my t!t$ I doubt I bother.

 

 

John

Edited July 8, 2011 by HUnter_zero

[trooperman 73]

i think it takes the same skill,,,,and after all skill has nothing to do with it,,,,,being familiar with your weapon and safe is the main thing,,,,,anyone can pull a trigger not every one can shoot

 

paul

[zx10mike 137]

WELL SAID TROOP HERE HERE.

[cookey 1]

i think it takes the same skill,,,,and after all skill has nothing to do with it,,,,,being familiar with your weapon and safe is the main thing,,,,,anyone can pull a trigger not every one can shoot

 

paul

 

i totally agree most men i know can plynk at targets all day with grate grouping but take em out lamping and they cant hit the back end of a truck ,,,

but a lot of ppl think it is about killing bunnys and such but what i am saying take your 22 lr zero at 100 and count how many shots it take u to hit out to 300 then take your CF and zero at 50 how many shot will it take ?? to shoot out to 500 yards .

 

[HUnter_zero 58]

what i am saying take your 22 lr zero at 100 and count how many shots it take u to hit out to 300 then take your CF and zero at 50 how many shot will it take ?? to shoot out to 500 yards .

 

Isn't that what I said

 

The .22lr is in transient after 150 odd yards, it's not and never will be a 300 yards rifle. Following that logic, it would take more skill to shoot an airgun at 300 yards than a .22lr in which case I would agree, in the same way I would agree that hitting a coke with a stone shot from a catapult at 300 yards would take great skill but in all the above example, I would only agree if the firer could hit the 300 yard target 99% of the time. Sitting down plinking with the .22lr and shooting the odd target at 300 yards isn't skill it's luck. However hitting a 300 yard target with a .223 99% at 300 yards would be far more realistic than when using a .22lr. Nothing really to do with skill, more practical application of the tools in hand.

 

John

Edited July 9, 2011 by HUnter_zero