my view

[hack 301]

he is very like the dog i have here hack is he off turk aswell

 

 

same lines mate very closley related atb

[dev 226]

Hard dogs are very impressive . I love to dig to a hard dog but at the same time I do realise that the steady mixing type terrier is the best tool for the job. A dog that has respect for its quarry but not too much. A dog that is agressive at its work but sensiable enough not to take a mauling every time its to ground, one who bosses the situation, that will stay the distance untill the job is done. As said in one of mr darcy's book's, a "boxer not a brawler" is the best I feel

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[rocket ronnie 243]

Some very good replies fellas could turn into a very good thread this

[jonesy 111]

I prefer a rough dog,one who stays with its game no matter what,if its two foot or twenty,bosses the game about and dosnt get bossed about.

[Guest dee mac]

i found that most of the guys who say they prefare a rock hard dog have never really owned a rock hard dog its ok too watch someone elses then at end of day go home and thats that but the owner has too go home tend too it patch it up put it under lamp and make sure it dos nt go down hill with shock etc then once that been taken care off he then has too leave him in kennells for the next 3 too 4 weeks while dog gets back too himself mean while the dog with the bit of brain s and craft has maybe had 5 or 6 digs over it in this space of time.dont get me wrong out and out sounder who wont get stuck in when pressure is on are of no use too me but the rock hard dog may look the business on the day but he pays for it in the weeks too come plus if you tip a rock hard dog into a big spot its never enjoyable as your trying too get there as quick as you can as you ll know the outcome if you dont where by if you ve the old steady reliable worker too ground everything is off a more relaxed nature and you can actually enjoy the dig ten times better.

[fish 148]

i found that most of the guys who say they prefare a rock hard dog have never really owned a rock hard dog its ok too watch someone elses then at end of day go home and thats that but the owner has too go home tend too it patch it up put it under lamp and make sure it dos nt go down hill with shock etc then once that been taken care off he then has too leave him in kennells for the next 3 too 4 weeks while dog gets back too himself mean while the dog with the bit of brain s and craft has maybe had 5 or 6 digs over it in this space of time.dont get me wrong out and out sounder who wont get stuck in when pressure is on are of no use too me but the rock hard dog may look the business on the day but he pays for it in the weeks too come plus if you tip a rock hard dog into a big spot its never enjoyable as your trying too get there as quick as you can as you ll know the outcome if you dont where by if you ve the old steady reliable worker too ground everything is off a more relaxed nature and you can actually enjoy the dig ten times better.

agree with that dee had one like that trying to dig to it as fast as we can the more time it took the more the vets bill was

[undertaker 831]

totaly agree with dee.couple of fellas down my way always wantin to go out with me and me mate cos they know

the dogs are the business.not like the things they have jst barkin along allday.then they dont seem to understand

why we dont like long digs cos we know wat were in for

Edited July 1, 2011 by undertaker

[antsa 40]

Everyones going to have differing opinions, depending on the land, rockpiles or earths etc, wether you're out with a pack or even spieces hunted. (over here badger is legal). I think this is a great thread and hopefully everyone will respect another mans view even if they dont agree, after all its horses for courses. For the record I like a hard dog that will take hold if he can and draw, (please note, I said hard not psycotic)

[lurcher2020 285]

Well to me iys just crazy(stupid) dogs that go in and get smashed a true hard dog goes straight in a does the job no messing getting bit to f**k but that's my opinion

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

What one needs out of a dog is so subjective....For example, I run Airedales. It's my understanding the 'dales over there are a show dog and nothing more. Mine are workers to the bone...get pissed when they aren't in the field. Here in coyote country, my dogs work underground,in 'push overs', in and around cattle....and so forth. But I wouldn't dream of setting them to ground like UK dogs

[CorkyJohn 808]

Give me a mixer anyday that will turn up the pressure when needed, especially in roomy earths or with educated game. A hard dog always has its place but it must have sense, these dogs might not see as much as others but have to be admired for the way they can bring a dig to an early conclusion when other dogs have failed to

[wilko tango 50]

i found that most of the guys who say they prefare a rock hard dog have never really owned a rock hard dog its ok too watch someone elses then at end of day go home and thats that but the owner has too go home tend too it patch it up put it under lamp and make sure it dos nt go down hill with shock etc then once that been taken care off he then has too leave him in kennells for the next 3 too 4 weeks while dog gets back too himself mean while the dog with the bit of brain s and craft has maybe had 5 or 6 digs over it in this space of time.dont get me wrong out and out sounder who wont get stuck in when pressure is on are of no use too me but the rock hard dog may look the business on the day but he pays for it in the weeks too come plus if you tip a rock hard dog into a big spot its never enjoyable as your trying too get there as quick as you can as you ll know the outcome if you dont where by if you ve the old steady reliable worker too ground everything is off a more relaxed nature and you can actually enjoy the dig ten times better.

well said dee.reading some of the other posts i dont know what people are talking about ie.i like a hard dog but he must have sence :icon_eek:ffs your dog is either hard or he is nt. IMO a hard dog is the dog that goes in and will not come away no matter what he would rather die than leave what he is at.some people have dogs that go and take hold for the duration of a dig but without getting knocked up to badly and then one day they meet the right opponent and when they start getting some punishment they either come away or with a bit of luck they start boxing clever.to me they are not hard dogs the hard dog is the one that goes in and gets pasted time andtime again and to me its a fault but one i put up with. i also think its a must to breed off a hard dog or a bitch to keep hardness and good drive in the next generations of pups coming through

[CorkyJohn 808]

i found that most of the guys who say they prefare a rock hard dog have never really owned a rock hard dog its ok too watch someone elses then at end of day go home and thats that but the owner has too go home tend too it patch it up put it under lamp and make sure it dos nt go down hill with shock etc then once that been taken care off he then has too leave him in kennells for the next 3 too 4 weeks while dog gets back too himself mean while the dog with the bit of brain s and craft has maybe had 5 or 6 digs over it in this space of time.dont get me wrong out and out sounder who wont get stuck in when pressure is on are of no use too me but the rock hard dog may look the business on the day but he pays for it in the weeks too come plus if you tip a rock hard dog into a big spot its never enjoyable as your trying too get there as quick as you can as you ll know the outcome if you dont where by if you ve the old steady reliable worker too ground everything is off a more relaxed nature and you can actually enjoy the dig ten times better.

well said dee.reading some of the other posts i dont know what people are talking about ie.i like a hard dog but he must have sence :icon_eek:ffs your dog is either hard or he is nt. IMO a hard dog is the dog that goes in and will not come away no matter what he would rather die than leave what he is at.some people have dogs that go and take hold for the duration of a dig but without getting knocked up to badly and then one day they meet the right opponent and when they start getting some punishment they either come away or with a bit of luck they start boxing clever.to me they are not hard dogs the hard dog is the one that goes in and gets pasted time andtime again and to me its a fault but one i put up with. i also think its a must to breed off a hard dog or a bitch to keep hardness and good drive in the next generations of pups coming through

Have to disagree with you Wilko, IMO what you described is a stupid hard dog. We used to dig to a lakey that would kill every fox he could get to & would take hold as soon as he was close enough. He was dug week in week out on educated game. He learned the hard way & spent alot of time on the mend but was never worked sore. I've seen the type you refer to & these are the dogs you need to get down quickly to for fear of a dead or seriously damaged dog.

[wilko tango 50]

i found that most of the guys who say they prefare a rock hard dog have never really owned a rock hard dog its ok too watch someone elses then at end of day go home and thats that but the owner has too go home tend too it patch it up put it under lamp and make sure it dos nt go down hill with shock etc then once that been taken care off he then has too leave him in kennells for the next 3 too 4 weeks while dog gets back too himself mean while the dog with the bit of brain s and craft has maybe had 5 or 6 digs over it in this space of time.dont get me wrong out and out sounder who wont get stuck in when pressure is on are of no use too me but the rock hard dog may look the business on the day but he pays for it in the weeks too come plus if you tip a rock hard dog into a big spot its never enjoyable as your trying too get there as quick as you can as you ll know the outcome if you dont where by if you ve the old steady reliable worker too ground everything is off a more relaxed nature and you can actually enjoy the dig ten times better.

well said dee.reading some of the other posts i dont know what people are talking about ie.i like a hard dog but he must have sence :icon_eek:ffs your dog is either hard or he is nt. IMO a hard dog is the dog that goes in and will not come away no matter what he would rather die than leave what he is at.some people have dogs that go and take hold for the duration of a dig but without getting knocked up to badly and then one day they meet the right opponent and when they start getting some punishment they either come away or with a bit of luck they start boxing clever.to me they are not hard dogs the hard dog is the one that goes in and gets pasted time andtime again and to me its a fault but one i put up with. i also think its a must to breed off a hard dog or a bitch to keep hardness and good drive in the next generations of pups coming through

Have to disagree with you Wilko, IMO what you described is a stupid hard dog. We used to dig to a lakey that would kill every fox he could get to & would take hold as soon as he was close enough. He was dug week in week out on educated game. He learned the hard way & spent alot of time on the mend but was never worked sore. I've seen the type you refer to & these are the dogs you need to get down quickly to for fear of a dead or seriously damaged dog.

corcky you have a point. and am not having a go at you but i did nt know there was different variations of hardness in dogs i thought a hard dog is a hard dog fair play to that lackie your talking about but to me i would nt call him a hard dog if you were digging him evry week he was obviously a good dog but any hard dog iv ever seen would need a month in sick bay after every outing as i mentioned its a fault in a dog as far as am concerned but i would nt get rid because of it you just need plenty in your kennel to substitute

[CorkyJohn 808]

I understand what you're getting at Wilko but this dog was as hard as I've seen both giving & taking stick. Not gonna go into details mate but he was a quick killer of foxes & in a 'tussle' he always seemed to be the stronger of his opposition. Loads of times broke through to him ontop of his quarry taking his favourite hold at the base of the neck.