six pointer 2 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 well after been over the water to see sum irish mates of mine and to do loads of dog work with all different types of xs . and the dogs where bushed the x that stood out to be the best out theer in my eyes was saluki x greyhound x bullgreyhounds . a x on the up over there . but the bull x greyhounds a there was a few just blow up . aswell as some collie xs . there was hard runs on big stuff . that bit saluki in there as well as bull made a big eye opener for me . not nocking any x but after a second nite some dogs didnt want to come out the kennels they did but . they found it hard . but the x i said was jumping at the kennel dog to be out. Quote Link to post
stubblebasher 150 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 well after been over the water to see sum irish mates of mine and to do loads of dog work with all different types of xs . and the dogs where bushed the x that stood out to be the best out theer in my eyes was saluki x greyhound x bullgreyhounds . a x on the up over there . but the bull x greyhounds a there was a few just blow up . aswell as some collie xs . there was hard runs on big stuff . that bit saluki in there as well as bull made a big eye opener for me . not nocking any x but after a second nite some dogs didnt want to come out the kennels they did but . they found it hard . but the x i said was jumping at the kennel dog to be out. Sounds about right mate . Why restrict yourself by not having saluki blood !? Quote Link to post
coursing_lad 45 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 If your after an all rounder , then Saluki bull grey is a good choice , but as a daytime only I'd suggest coursing Saluki hybrid , if lamping I'd suggest bull x hybrid , put the 2 together , if you get a good un will be a handy tool. Quote Link to post
skycat 6,173 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 It all depends on how fit a dog is. Seen too many dogs run hard unfit, then classed as jackers or no good cos the muppets that owned them didn't have a clue how to get a dog fit. So its really not a good question to ask on an open forum as a lot of people don't even know if their dog is properly fit or not. Sorry to sound harsh, but that's my experience. Adding, that if a dog won't come out of its kennel the day after working hard, then it obviously wasn't fit in the first place or was run to exhaustion by the prat of an owner. Even a fit dog can be run into the ground. The dog game is full of people who think that dogs have those everlasting batteries in them, and they're usually the same people who leave a dog in a kennel all week then expect it to run hard at the weekend 12 Quote Link to post
DeerhoundLurcherMan 997 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 how do you know if your dogs fit? Quote Link to post
skycat 6,173 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 how do you know if your dogs fit? Because you will have done the correct amount of exercise and conditioning to get it that way. No animal alive can be fit for hard work unless it has been conditioned. Working dogs are the equivalent of human athletes: they need to train hard to achieve the right level of fitness or they'll damage muscles, lungs, heart, toes etc if they are run unfit. Dogs should have a minimum of an hour's exercise every day in my opinion, and part of that exercise should be steady trotting, not slow walking, but trotting. A few good gallops in between and the dog is half way to fitness. People who take their dogs out mooching every day will have dogs averagely fit, but a few runs at rabbits is nothing compared to a night's lamping or a day's coursing. If anyone wants to read a loooooong article :tongue2: about conditioning then pm me and I'll send them the chapter on muscles and conditioning from my book. 4 Quote Link to post
snoopdog 1,256 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 how do you know if your dogs fit? Because you will have done the correct amount of exercise and conditioning to get it that way. No animal alive can be fit for hard work unless it has been conditioned. Working dogs are the equivalent of human athletes: they need to train hard to achieve the right level of fitness or they'll damage muscles, lungs, heart, toes etc if they are run unfit. Dogs should have a minimum of an hour's exercise every day in my opinion, and part of that exercise should be steady trotting, not slow walking, but trotting. A few good gallops in between and the dog is half way to fitness. People who take their dogs out mooching every day will have dogs averagely fit, but a few runs at rabbits is nothing compared to a night's lamping or a day's coursing. If anyone wants to read a loooooong article :tongue2: about conditioning then pm me and I'll send them the chapter on muscles and conditioning from my book. i would like to read it skycat could you pm it me please... Quote Link to post
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 how do you know if your dogs fit? Because you will have done the correct amount of exercise and conditioning to get it that way. No animal alive can be fit for hard work unless it has been conditioned. Working dogs are the equivalent of human athletes: they need to train hard to achieve the right level of fitness or they'll damage muscles, lungs, heart, toes etc if they are run unfit. Dogs should have a minimum of an hour's exercise every day in my opinion, and part of that exercise should be steady trotting, not slow walking, but trotting. A few good gallops in between and the dog is half way to fitness. People who take their dogs out mooching every day will have dogs averagely fit, but a few runs at rabbits is nothing compared to a night's lamping or a day's coursing. If anyone wants to read a loooooong article :tongue2: about conditioning then pm me and I'll send them the chapter on muscles and conditioning from my book. i would like to read it skycat could you pm it me please... Buy the book you mingebag! 3 Quote Link to post
willow 53 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 how do you know if your dogs fit? Because you will have done the correct amount of exercise and conditioning to get it that way. No animal alive can be fit for hard work unless it has been conditioned. Working dogs are the equivalent of human athletes: they need to train hard to achieve the right level of fitness or they'll damage muscles, lungs, heart, toes etc if they are run unfit. Dogs should have a minimum of an hour's exercise every day in my opinion, and part of that exercise should be steady trotting, not slow walking, but trotting. A few good gallops in between and the dog is half way to fitness. People who take their dogs out mooching every day will have dogs averagely fit, but a few runs at rabbits is nothing compared to a night's lamping or a day's coursing. If anyone wants to read a loooooong article :tongue2: about conditioning then pm me and I'll send them the chapter on muscles and conditioning from my book. mooching every day will have dogs averagely fit so two hours bushing everyday your dog is only half fit sorry i think your find them alot fitter than you think UNLESS the dog sits up your arse and dont do nothing :thumbs:tryed and tested took a dog that bushes and gave her 5 fen runs so it must work Quote Link to post
asbo93 10 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 If your after an all rounder , then Saluki bull grey is a good choice , but as a daytime only I'd suggest coursing Saluki hybrid , if lamping I'd suggest bull x hybrid , put the 2 together , if you get a good un will be a handy tool. anything is a handy tool if you understand your dog, put loads of time in to it and fit. Quote Link to post
HAMMERDAN 25 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 My dog gets jogged behind the motor for a few mile, with proper bait and he's fit as a lop, as soon as he see's the battery bag come out he's bouncing all over the place, could run him till death and he'd still be game to go out, day or night Quote Link to post
skycat 6,173 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 mooching every day will have dogs averagely fit so two hours bushing everyday your dog is only half fit sorry i think your find them alot fitter than you think UNLESS the dog sits up your arse and dont do nothing :thumbs:tryed and tested took a dog that bushes and gave her 5 fen runs so it must work Well I guess it depends on the definition of mooching about. For me, mooching is trotting along hedgerows, working a bit of cover, having a few runs on rabbits and other stuff that comes out, but I wasn't meaning big ears or stuff which takes a dog a long way. That's what mooching about means to me, so my dogs aren't hare fit by doing that: maybe half way there, but not 100% fen fit at all. Depends on the age of the dog as well: young dogs do far more when they are out running about, the older the dog gets the more it relies on field craft and experience to catch stuff rather than tearing about at warp speed. Just my experience with my dogs. Quote Link to post
cantona 310 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 how do you know if your dogs fit? Because you will have done the correct amount of exercise and conditioning to get it that way. No animal alive can be fit for hard work unless it has been conditioned. Working dogs are the equivalent of human athletes: they need to train hard to achieve the right level of fitness or they'll damage muscles, lungs, heart, toes etc if they are run unfit. Dogs should have a minimum of an hour's exercise every day in my opinion, and part of that exercise should be steady trotting, not slow walking, but trotting. A few good gallops in between and the dog is half way to fitness. People who take their dogs out mooching every day will have dogs averagely fit, but a few runs at rabbits is nothing compared to a night's lamping or a day's coursing. If anyone wants to read a loooooong article :tongue2: about conditioning then pm me and I'll send them the chapter on muscles and conditioning from my book. i would like to read it skycat could you pm it me please... Buy the book you mingebag! what is the book called mate? Quote Link to post
lurcher330 2,297 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 the fittest dog in the world could burn out in this weather and over here in ireland were six pointer said he was it has been over 20 degrees some days and not much below that at night time .i have to walk my dogs at around 5.30 in the morning and then after 9.00 at night recently and i can thank my new baby for getting me up around 4.30 every morning once i up i cant go back to bed so i make the most of it when he goes back to sleep i get the dogs out and i've had some of the best mornings out moching ever around that time . Quote Link to post
six pointer 2 Posted June 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 It all depends on how fit a dog is. Seen too many dogs run hard unfit, then classed as jackers or no good cos the muppets that owned them didn't have a clue how to get a dog fit. So its really not a good question to ask on an open forum as a lot of people don't even know if their dog is properly fit or not. Sorry to sound harsh, but that's my experience. Adding, that if a dog won't come out of its kennel the day after working hard, then it obviously wasn't fit in the first place or was run to exhaustion by the prat of an owner. Even a fit dog can be run into the ground. The dog game is full of people who think that dogs have those everlasting batteries in them, and they're usually the same people who leave a dog in a kennel all week then expect it to run hard at the weekend i siad after 2nd nite these men have had dogs 30+ years and flesh fed . to me it was the breeding in all honesty the bull x . just blow up no wind and thats my opinion, they are good dogs at what they dog but aswell the collies they blow up . what am saying is that saluki blood made a big big differenece in the dog and one lad had the x iam on about and one of the otheres kenneled the same fed the same and given the same in hard graft . and the saluki hybred comes out on top all the time . now am off to wales in 2 weeks and they all have the x down there Quote Link to post
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