shepp 2,285 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 aye, I can .....except for the lottery win, I aint had one of those yet Aye but you prob only work half the year so that don't count haha...difference is, the only person my time off costs money is me ........there are plenty of people out in the world working long hours who have never taken a penny out of the public purse. Those people are the wealth creators, everyone else is baggage Aye maybe so but without the "baggage" none of the wealth creators would be worth dick. It's always been the way I'm not against folk making money but nobody should be criticised for fighting to better their lot. Do you think it's right that someone works all they're days and at the end of their working life they have to chose between heating their home or eating? Well that's a situation teachers will never be in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 aye, I can .....except for the lottery win, I aint had one of tho#8  OldTrapCollector se yet Aye but you prob only work half the year so that don't count haha...difference is, the only person my time off costs money is me ........there are plenty of people out in the world working long hours who have never taken a penny out of the public purse. Those people are the wealth creators, everyone else is baggage Aye maybe so but without the "baggage" none of the wealth creators would be worth dick. It's always been the way I'm not against folk making money but nobody should be criticised for fighting to better their lot. Do you think it's right that someone works all they're days and at the end of their working life they have to chose between heating their home or eating? Well that's a situation teachers will never be in. This isn't just about teachers though is it? It's about all public sector pensions big and small. Pensions arn't linked to the cost of living...bills continue to rise gas elec food by the time a lot ov folk retire if they manage to live long enough to draw a pension what's it going to be worth in relative terms? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 3,014 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I could argue with some of that, but mostly I agree. Still, let's not allow the Tories to set decent working folk in private or public sectors at each other's throats while the bankers who finance the Tory party pay themselves - this year - 1.8 billion pounds. Yup, that's billion. This is advise I wish folks over here would follow. We seem to be having an all out war on public workers. While the bankers, who brought the worlds economy to it's knees. Just keep on getting richer. Some posters on this thread sound like they would rather fight over the scraps. Than take on the real problem. ATB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid 935 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I quite enjoyed the day off, spending a free day with my lads. shame it seems a lot would rather some one else raise there kids. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neal 1,873 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Many thanks to Ideation, Undisputed, Tomm Parr and anybody else who's sticking up for the likes of myself and my wife: we're both teachers. To be fair, I'm a supply teacher. Not one of those crap ones who's only doing it because they can't get a job, but one who's been doing it out of choice for a decade and a half. As a result of my choice, I have to admit that I am fortunate in getting thirteen weeks holiday per year. However, the downside of being a supply teacher is that I only get paid for the days I work. Back to my wife: a "proper" teacher. As has been said above, it's not 9 til 3. Most teachers start work by 8 at the very latest, are lucky to grab a few minutes for lunch and work (in school) until at least 5. My wife's rarely home before 6. Then there's all the paper-work which takes up several of her evenings and some of the weekend every week. In addition, she usually goes into school for several days during each "holiday" plus more paper-work at home again. Considering we're post-graduates, our salary is below average for our qualifications...like nurses etc we're in a "caring" industry which means we're exected to do it for enjoyment. Enjoyment which often includes verbal and physical abuse from pupils and parents and f*** all appreciation from a large section of the public. Many of the comments on this thread are examples of this. I love my job. I get to make a genuine, positive impact on people's lives and they regularly thank me for it. Fortunately, that more than makes up for the blind comments of so many and the, comparatively, poor salary which is soon to become worse by making me pay more for longer in order to receive less. Thanks again to those of you who appreciate what I do. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spanj 11 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Many thanks to Ideation, Undisputed, Tomm Parr and anybody else who's sticking up for the likes of myself and my wife: we're both teachers. To be fair, I'm a supply teacher. Not one of those crap ones who's only doing it because they can't get a job, but one who's been doing it out of choice for a decade and a half. As a result of my choice, I have to admit that I am fortunate in getting thirteen weeks holiday per year. However, the downside of being a supply teacher is that I only get paid for the days I work. Back to my wife: a "proper" teacher. As has been said above, it's not 9 til 3. Most teachers start work by 8 at the very latest, are lucky to grab a few minutes for lunch and work (in school) until at least 5. My wife's rarely home before 6. Then there's all the paper-work which takes up several of her evenings and some of the weekend every week. In addition, she usually goes into school for several days during each "holiday" plus more paper-work at home again. Considering we're post-graduates, our salary is below average for our qualifications...like nurses etc we're in a "caring" industry which means we're exected to do it for enjoyment. Enjoyment which often includes verbal and physical abuse from pupils and parents and f*** all appreciation from a large section of the public. Many of the comments on this thread are examples of this. I love my job. I get to make a genuine, positive impact on people's lives and they regularly thank me for it. Fortunately, that more than makes up for the blind comments of so many and the, comparatively, poor salary which is soon to become worse by making me pay more for longer in order to receive less. Thanks again to those of you who appreciate what I do. It could be worse you could be getting shot at ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 My wife is a teacher as well and they don't get paid that bad she's on well over 30 grand. Plus there is a very nice final salary pension thrown in that makes up for the slightly lower wage compared with the private sector. Sure they work hard but so do many other people who get nothing close to that and much less time off. This isn't an attack on the teachers this is an attack on a system that is costing the tax payer more and more and is unsustainable! At the end of the day if there's no more money in the pot why should the rest of us get hammered with tax so public sector (with their guaranteed pensions) don't have to lose out? It is only fair that we all take a knock across the board and not just the private sector getting f**ked. Sorry I think they're beeing used by the unions to cause trouble for their buddies in the Labour party. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,230 Posted July 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I quite enjoyed the day off, spending a free day with my lads. shame it seems a lot would rather some one else raise there kids. ????.........Nobody said that on this thread did they? or do you mean in general? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,384 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Many thanks to Ideation, Undisputed, Tomm Parr and anybody else who's sticking up for the likes of myself and my wife: we're both teachers. To be fair, I'm a supply teacher. Not one of those crap ones who's only doing it because they can't get a job, but one who's been doing it out of choice for a decade and a half. As a result of my choice, I have to admit that I am fortunate in getting thirteen weeks holiday per year. However, the downside of being a supply teacher is that I only get paid for the days I work. Back to my wife: a "proper" teacher. As has been said above, it's not 9 til 3. Most teachers start work by 8 at the very latest, are lucky to grab a few minutes for lunch and work (in school) until at least 5. My wife's rarely home before 6. Then there's all the paper-work which takes up several of her evenings and some of the weekend every week. In addition, she usually goes into school for several days during each "holiday" plus more paper-work at home again. Considering we're post-graduates, our salary is below average for our qualifications...like nurses etc we're in a "caring" industry which means we're exected to do it for enjoyment. Enjoyment which often includes verbal and physical abuse from pupils and parents and f*** all appreciation from a large section of the public. Many of the comments on this thread are examples of this. I love my job. I get to make a genuine, positive impact on people's lives and they regularly thank me for it. Fortunately, that more than makes up for the blind comments of so many and the, comparatively, poor salary which is soon to become worse by making me pay more for longer in order to receive less. Thanks again to those of you who appreciate what I do. If it's that bad have a career change, I bet you don't though cos it's better than a helluva lot of jobs out there, most in fact. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,497 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Dont know why anybodys botherd ,according to the tory press thousands ignored the strike and went to work anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Dont know why anybodys botherd ,according to the tory press thousands ignored the strike and went to work anyway. Thats what the tory papers want you to think....the Politicians are spouting the same rubbish about its affecting the children and people who want to work....strange stance to take when they've consigned thousands of kids to the dole and ruined communities. The tory dogma is purely for the rich always has been always will be, wolf in sheeps clothing. Have you noticed the fallback position is its labours fault we have no choice...its bullshit if they fixed the tax laws there would be no national debt. How can it be right that multi billionaire/millionaires pay less tax than the average joe in the street. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Many thanks to Ideation, Undisputed, Tomm Parr and anybody else who's sticking up for the likes of myself and my wife: we're both teachers. To be fair, I'm a supply teacher. Not one of those crap ones who's only doing it because they can't get a job, but one who's been doing it out of choice for a decade and a half. As a result of my choice, I have to admit that I am fortunate in getting thirteen weeks holiday per year. However, the downside of being a supply teacher is that I only get paid for the days I work. Back to my wife: a "proper" teacher. As has been said above, it's not 9 til 3. Most teachers start work by 8 at the very latest, are lucky to grab a few minutes for lunch and work (in school) until at least 5. My wife's rarely home before 6. Then there's all the paper-work which takes up several of her evenings and some of the weekend every week. In addition, she usually goes into school for several days during each "holiday" plus more paper-work at home again. Considering we're post-graduates, our salary is below average for our qualifications...like nurses etc we're in a "caring" industry which means we're exected to do it for enjoyment. Enjoyment which often includes verbal and physical abuse from pupils and parents and f*** all appreciation from a large section of the public. Many of the comments on this thread are examples of this. I love my job. I get to make a genuine, positive impact on people's lives and they regularly thank me for it. Fortunately, that more than makes up for the blind comments of so many and the, comparatively, poor salary which is soon to become worse by making me pay more for longer in order to receive less. Thanks again to those of you who appreciate what I do. If it's that bad have a career change, I bet you don't though cos it's better than a helluva lot of jobs out there, most in fact. You have experience of teaching then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Proffitt 142 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I could argue with some of that, but mostly I agree. Still, let's not allow the Tories to set decent working folk in private or public sectors at each other's throats while the bankers who finance the Tory party pay themselves - this year - 1.8 billion pounds. Yup, that's billion. This is advise I wish folks over here would follow. We seem to be having an all out war on public workers. While the bankers, who brought the worlds economy to it's knees. Just keep on getting richer. Some posters on this thread sound like they would rather fight over the scraps. Than take on the real problem. ATB While I like your fly tying reference to one of the classics....what wealth have the working class ever produced ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Try producing anything without a working class. Who built your car? Did your fridge, freezer, cooker, just grow on trees? What class were the guys who built your guns? People on production lines are working class by definition and they are the true wealth producers, not some fat-assed number crunchers in flash offices. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spanj 11 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Dont know why anybodys botherd ,according to the tory press thousands ignored the strike and went to work anyway. Thats what the tory papers want you to think....the Politicians are spouting the same rubbish about its affecting the children and people who want to work....strange stance to take when they've consigned thousands of kids to the dole and ruined communities. The tory dogma is purely for the rich always has been always will be, wolf in sheeps clothing. Have you noticed the fallback position is its labours fault we have no choice...its bullshit if they fixed the tax laws there would be no national debt. How can it be right that multi billionaire/millionaires pay less tax than the average joe in the street. Agree with you totally ref millionaires tax rates but its TOATLLY labours fault the mess we're in, they were writing cheques knowing there was no cash in the back, massive increases in public spending, committed us to wars we didnt need committing to. The tories have to do the dirty work to undo the mess these dickheads have dropped us in. I am NOT a tory but am most definitely not a labour man, they havent got a clue. As for the unions they have lost sight of their purpose IMHO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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