Great Game Fairs of ireland Whippet Racing

[Guest jackpot]

Can anyone pick out the whippet race winner in this pic??

[iworkwhippets 12,552]

Rose with Zola

Edited June 28, 2011 by iworkwhippets

[Guest ladyjane]

I judged whippets on day 2 of the fair and I don't see a whippet in that pic!

[bluebell 418]

Thats a nice pic wonder who took that pic

[iworkwhippets 12,552]

I judged whippets on day 2 of the fair and I don't see a whippet in that pic!

 

Terrible thing is jealousy

[AlbertJ 569]

I judged whippets on day 2 of the fair and I don't see a whippet in that pic!

 

Now that is a challenge to owner of the winner of the whippet racing!

Anyone with any sense must realise that Matt or any other racing organisers cannot argue the toss with someone who says his or her dog is a whippet. Size solely doesn't really come into it and in fact may not be any advantage - look at Rose Mc Coy's small dog and China too is no giant.

 

As far as I can see there are three solutions:

 

1. If challenged, at the show - not anonymously on these forums - the owner should be prepared to meet the challenge by saying how he or she thinks it is a whippet.

 

2. If he or she has no proof that the dog is a whippet then the Sporting Whippet Club could arbitrate. At one time the KC used to have a classification for interbred retrievers and in fact in my own breed the golden retriever one of the golden winners of the retriever championship was a dog that had labrador ancestry two generations back. Other dogs of unknown parentage could be brought into a pedigree by three senior judges making a ruling that the dog was of that particular breed. Something similar could apply.

 

3. We can run races for KC registered whippets only and Non Ped whippets.

 

Albertj

[chartpolski 23,561]

I judged whippets on day 2 of the fair and I don't see a whippet in that pic!

 

Now that is a challenge to owner of the winner of the whippet racing!

Anyone with any sense must realise that Matt or any other racing organisers cannot argue the toss with someone who says his or her dog is a whippet. Size solely doesn't really come into it and in fact may not be any advantage - look at Rose Mc Coy's small dog and China too is no giant.

 

As far as I can see there are three solutions:

 

1. If challenged, at the show - not anonymously on these forums - the owner should be prepared to meet the challenge by saying how he or she thinks it is a whippet.

 

2. If he or she has no proof that the dog is a whippet then the Sporting Whippet Club could arbitrate. At one time the KC used to have a classification for interbred retrievers and in fact in my own breed the golden retriever one of the golden winners of the retriever championship was a dog that had labrador ancestry two generations back. Other dogs of unknown parentage could be brought into a pedigree by three senior judges making a ruling that the dog was of that particular breed. Something similar could apply.

 

3. We can run races for KC registered whippets only and Non Ped whippets.

 

Albertj

 

 

Albert; there is only ONE solution to this ! There should be racing for KC registered pedigrees, (and their registration MUST be shown), and seperate racing for Non-Peds, With height and weight restriction), and the winnere of each "type" could run off in a Grand Final ! Of course, the Non-Ped would allways win ! Running Whippet/Greys or small Greyhounds against pure Whippets isn't fair, and the "pures" have no chance ! You will ALLWAYS have arguments and complaints when other breeds and crosses are allowed to run against Peds in what is supposed to be "Whippet" Racing !

 

Cheers.

[AlbertJ 569]

I judged whippets on day 2 of the fair and I don't see a whippet in that pic!

 

Now that is a challenge to owner of the winner of the whippet racing!

Anyone with any sense must realise that Matt or any other racing organisers cannot argue the toss with someone who says his or her dog is a whippet. Size solely doesn't really come into it and in fact may not be any advantage - look at Rose Mc Coy's small dog and China too is no giant.

 

As far as I can see there are three solutions:

 

1. If challenged, at the show - not anonymously on these forums - the owner should be prepared to meet the challenge by saying how he or she thinks it is a whippet.

 

2. If he or she has no proof that the dog is a whippet then the Sporting Whippet Club could arbitrate. At one time the KC used to have a classification for interbred retrievers and in fact in my own breed the golden retriever one of the golden winners of the retriever championship was a dog that had labrador ancestry two generations back. Other dogs of unknown parentage could be brought into a pedigree by three senior judges making a ruling that the dog was of that particular breed. Something similar could apply.

 

3. We can run races for KC registered whippets only and Non Ped whippets.

 

Albertj

 

 

Albert; there is only ONE solution to this ! There should be racing for KC registered pedigrees, (and their registration MUST be shown), and seperate racing for Non-Peds, With height and weight restriction), and the winnere of each "type" could run off in a Grand Final ! Of course, the Non-Ped would allways win ! Running Whippet/Greys or small Greyhounds against pure Whippets isn't fair, and the "pures" have no chance ! You will ALLWAYS have arguments and complaints when other breeds and crosses are allowed to run against Peds in what is supposed to be "Whippet" Racing !

 

Cheers.

 

 

Thanks for your comment. I do think this is the solution - don't know about weight height is easier.

 

BUT Why do you think a non ped will always win?

 

Most people think labradors will always be faster than golden retrievers but I had great fun winning and competing in scurries with my first golden - who could shift!

 

Are you seriously saying a non ped whippet of the same size as a KC whippet will always be faster - that surely is an arguement for breeding non pedigree whippets.

 

Albertj

[chartpolski 23,561]

I judged whippets on day 2 of the fair and I don't see a whippet in that pic!

 

Now that is a challenge to owner of the winner of the whippet racing!

Anyone with any sense must realise that Matt or any other racing organisers cannot argue the toss with someone who says his or her dog is a whippet. Size solely doesn't really come into it and in fact may not be any advantage - look at Rose Mc Coy's small dog and China too is no giant.

 

As far as I can see there are three solutions:

 

1. If challenged, at the show - not anonymously on these forums - the owner should be prepared to meet the challenge by saying how he or she thinks it is a whippet.

 

2. If he or she has no proof that the dog is a whippet then the Sporting Whippet Club could arbitrate. At one time the KC used to have a classification for interbred retrievers and in fact in my own breed the golden retriever one of the golden winners of the retriever championship was a dog that had labrador ancestry two generations back. Other dogs of unknown parentage could be brought into a pedigree by three senior judges making a ruling that the dog was of that particular breed. Something similar could apply.

 

3. We can run races for KC registered whippets only and Non Ped whippets.

 

Albertj

 

 

Albert; there is only ONE solution to this ! There should be racing for KC registered pedigrees, (and their registration MUST be shown), and seperate racing for Non-Peds, With height and weight restriction), and the winnere of each "type" could run off in a Grand Final ! Of course, the Non-Ped would allways win ! Running Whippet/Greys or small Greyhounds against pure Whippets isn't fair, and the "pures" have no chance ! You will ALLWAYS have arguments and complaints when other breeds and crosses are allowed to run against Peds in what is supposed to be "Whippet" Racing !

 

Cheers.

 

 

Thanks for your comment. I do think this is the solution - don't know about weight height is easier.

 

BUT Why do you think a non ped will always win?

 

Most people think labradors will always be faster than golden retrievers but I had great fun winning and competing in scurries with my first golden - who could shift!

 

Are you seriously saying a non ped whippet of the same size as a KC whippet will always be faster - that surely is an arguement for breeding non pedigree whippets.

 

Albertj

 

Albert, it's a fact of life that an average Non-Ped will beat even the best Pure Bred, out of traps over 100 - 200 yards. I have great respect for Peds, and have seen some put in a full nights lamping, but the Non - Peds have been bred for generations to be sprint machines, and the times the are doing now are phenomanal !!! A Pure Bred simply couldn't match them !

 

Cheers.

[AlbertJ 569]

I judged whippets on day 2 of the fair and I don't see a whippet in that pic!

 

Now that is a challenge to owner of the winner of the whippet racing!

Anyone with any sense must realise that Matt or any other racing organisers cannot argue the toss with someone who says his or her dog is a whippet. Size solely doesn't really come into it and in fact may not be any advantage - look at Rose Mc Coy's small dog and China too is no giant.

 

As far as I can see there are three solutions:

 

1. If challenged, at the show - not anonymously on these forums - the owner should be prepared to meet the challenge by saying how he or she thinks it is a whippet.

 

2. If he or she has no proof that the dog is a whippet then the Sporting Whippet Club could arbitrate. At one time the KC used to have a classification for interbred retrievers and in fact in my own breed the golden retriever one of the golden winners of the retriever championship was a dog that had labrador ancestry two generations back. Other dogs of unknown parentage could be brought into a pedigree by three senior judges making a ruling that the dog was of that particular breed. Something similar could apply.

 

3. We can run races for KC registered whippets only and Non Ped whippets.

 

Albertj

 

 

Albert; there is only ONE solution to this ! There should be racing for KC registered pedigrees, (and their registration MUST be shown), and seperate racing for Non-Peds, With height and weight restriction), and the winnere of each "type" could run off in a Grand Final ! Of course, the Non-Ped would allways win ! Running Whippet/Greys or small Greyhounds against pure Whippets isn't fair, and the "pures" have no chance ! You will ALLWAYS have arguments and complaints when other breeds and crosses are allowed to run against Peds in what is supposed to be "Whippet" Racing !

 

Cheers.

 

 

Thanks for your comment. I do think this is the solution - don't know about weight height is easier.

 

BUT Why do you think a non ped will always win?

 

Most people think labradors will always be faster than golden retrievers but I had great fun winning and competing in scurries with my first golden - who could shift!

 

Are you seriously saying a non ped whippet of the same size as a KC whippet will always be faster - that surely is an arguement for breeding non pedigree whippets.

 

Albertj

 

Albert, it's a fact of life that an average Non-Ped will beat even the best Pure Bred, out of traps over 100 - 200 yards. I have great respect for Peds, and have seen some put in a full nights lamping, but the Non - Peds have been bred for generations to be sprint machines, and the times the are doing now are phenomanal !!! A Pure Bred simply couldn't match them !

 

Cheers.

 

 

That was my point - rather like the working bred golden retrievers compared to the show ones - some of the show golden retrievers people now think that the working ones are the wrong type whereas if you look back it is the show ones that ave moved further.

 

I certainly don't want to discourage and remove competitive opportunities for non ped whippets especially if they are as good as you say. So it would appear the best way forward is separate races with a grand final - it will then give the best of the KC registered ones something to aim at.

 

Thanks for very constructive contributions - now can anyone suggest a size limit for non ped whippets?

 

Albert

[the low flyer 2]

I dont have whippets but watched this topic with great interest before the show I was there both days but on the Saturday i made my way over to where they were taking the enteries for the racing to hear the craic The couple who have apparently the fastest KCregistered whippets in Ireland were there now this came from the whippet folk about them having the fastest I think its Liz and Eddie you call them When Eddie went to enter i heard him say to the person taking the enteries that the dog entered under Gareth called lady wasnt a whippet they had words about it but the organizers said it was a whippet Eddie refused to enter his If every one had done the same the organizers would had to have done something about it Its a total disgrace that the largest and best game fair in my eyes allowed this cheat to get away with this Was speaking to Liz after the racing was over and she told me that Eddie had foud out where this lurcher came from and who bred it and thats why

he didnt enter She went on to tell me a few stories about the owner of this lurchers past it was hair raising to say the least but she said Eddie will be putting it on K9 for everyone to see shortly

[chartpolski 23,561]

I judged whippets on day 2 of the fair and I don't see a whippet in that pic!

 

Now that is a challenge to owner of the winner of the whippet racing!

Anyone with any sense must realise that Matt or any other racing organisers cannot argue the toss with someone who says his or her dog is a whippet. Size solely doesn't really come into it and in fact may not be any advantage - look at Rose Mc Coy's small dog and China too is no giant.

 

As far as I can see there are three solutions:

 

1. If challenged, at the show - not anonymously on these forums - the owner should be prepared to meet the challenge by saying how he or she thinks it is a whippet.

 

2. If he or she has no proof that the dog is a whippet then the Sporting Whippet Club could arbitrate. At one time the KC used to have a classification for interbred retrievers and in fact in my own breed the golden retriever one of the golden winners of the retriever championship was a dog that had labrador ancestry two generations back. Other dogs of unknown parentage could be brought into a pedigree by three senior judges making a ruling that the dog was of that particular breed. Something similar could apply.

 

3. We can run races for KC registered whippets only and Non Ped whippets.

 

Albertj

 

 

Albert; there is only ONE solution to this ! There should be racing for KC registered pedigrees, (and their registration MUST be shown), and seperate racing for Non-Peds, With height and weight restriction), and the winnere of each "type" could run off in a Grand Final ! Of course, the Non-Ped would allways win ! Running Whippet/Greys or small Greyhounds against pure Whippets isn't fair, and the "pures" have no chance ! You will ALLWAYS have arguments and complaints when other breeds and crosses are allowed to run against Peds in what is supposed to be "Whippet" Racing !

 

Cheers.

 

 

Thanks for your comment. I do think this is the solution - don't know about weight height is easier.

 

BUT Why do you think a non ped will always win?

 

Most people think labradors will always be faster than golden retrievers but I had great fun winning and competing in scurries with my first golden - who could shift!

 

Are you seriously saying a non ped whippet of the same size as a KC whippet will always be faster - that surely is an arguement for breeding non pedigree whippets.

 

Albertj

 

Albert, it's a fact of life that an average Non-Ped will beat even the best Pure Bred, out of traps over 100 - 200 yards. I have great respect for Peds, and have seen some put in a full nights lamping, but the Non - Peds have been bred for generations to be sprint machines, and the times the are doing now are phenomanal !!! A Pure Bred simply couldn't match them !

 

Cheers.

 

 

That was my point - rather like the working bred golden retrievers compared to the show ones - some of the show golden retrievers people now think that the working ones are the wrong type whereas if you look back it is the show ones that ave moved further.

 

I certainly don't want to discourage and remove competitive opportunities for non ped whippets especially if they are as good as you say. So it would appear the best way forward is separate races with a grand final - it will then give the best of the KC registered ones something to aim at.

 

Thanks for very constructive contributions - now can anyone suggest a size limit for non ped whippets?

 

Albert

 

 

Non-Peds are USUALY ran on weight rather than height. Personaly I would stick to the 32lb limit of old, as I think these 25", 55lb dogs can hardly be called Whippets ! But that is just my opinion, The B.W.R.A accepts them, so I can't realy argue with that !

 

Cheers.

[AlbertJ 569]

I dont have whippets but watched this topic with great interest before the show I was there both days but on the Saturday i made my way over to where they were taking the enteries for the racing to hear the craic The couple who have apparently the fastest KCregistered whippets in Ireland were there now this came from the whippet folk about them having the fastest I think its Liz and Eddie you call them When Eddie went to enter i heard him say to the person taking the enteries that the dog entered under Gareth called lady wasnt a whippet they had words about it but the organizers said it was a whippet Eddie refused to enter his If every one had done the same the organizers would had to have done something about it Its a total disgrace that the largest and best game fair in my eyes allowed this cheat to get away with this Was speaking to Liz after the racing was over and she told me that Eddie had foud out where this lurcher came from and who bred it and thats why

he didnt enter She went on to tell me a few stories about the owner of this lurchers past it was hair raising to say the least but she said Eddie will be putting it on K9 for everyone to see shortly

 

I hope you appreciate the difficulty of refusing an entry to someone who says his dog is a whippet. I was there when a guy asked Matt could he enter a non KC registered whippet. I don't know whether this was the dog about which there has been such a furore. As we had said in advance of the event we were not restricting it to KC registered dogs I said if it was a whippet it could be entered.

 

I felt that since the issue of non ped whippets v KC whippets only came up a couple of weeks before the event it was infair to exclude anyone who genuinely thought they had a whippet.

 

However now that it has been raised in a constructive fashion in future we shall most probably run two different races.

 

Albertj

[kegs 40]

i was there on saturday at the final,hats of albert it was a great conclusion to the competition with a photo finish.but that was then over shadowed when you left albert with one of the worst displays of racing at any fair ive been to,the bottom line is albert its time for a spring clean.youve proved to me and others you want the best for your events and im sorry but again you have been consistantly let down by what remains of the mid antrim money grabbers,in fairness anyone can have a lure break but when it was going it was yards ahead of the dogs to the point that they stopped chasing it to the dissmay of their owners.i know i seam to be complaining all the time but there isnt one person who will say that didnt take place.as far as the whipppet winner went your not alone as the same lurcher won moira.if this thing is so much a whippet why is it never shown in a class of its breed.i know you say youve to take the word of the owner but there comes a time when as a main event organizer that the main man should grow a set and say no as that animal is very clearly no whippet.the dog beside it is a 45 pound lurcher and its bigger than it by a noticable differance.i know you were not present at the all ireland part of events but there is bound to be some outsiders you know that were and can tell you.the showing went very very well i thought on the day apart from pups in the working classes but thankfully your chosen judge spotted this and wasnt caught out but i know what was said when he told the ring man but thats a different story.albert again a great event for the part you were involved in but when you left so did the wanting to be the best.i doubt roscrea will mess up the racing like saturday as they know what their doing.yours in sport kegs

[AlbertJ 569]

i was there on saturday at the final,hats of albert it was a great conclusion to the competition with a photo finish.but that was then over shadowed when you left albert with one of the worst displays of racing at any fair ive been to,the bottom line is albert its time for a spring clean.youve proved to me and others you want the best for your events and im sorry but again you have been consistantly let down by what remains of the mid antrim money grabbers,in fairness anyone can have a lure break but when it was going it was yards ahead of the dogs to the point that they stopped chasing it to the dissmay of their owners.i know i seam to be complaining all the time but there isnt one person who will say that didnt take place.as far as the whipppet winner went your not alone as the same lurcher won moira.if this thing is so much a whippet why is it never shown in a class of its breed.i know you say youve to take the word of the owner but there comes a time when as a main event organizer that the main man should grow a set and say no as that animal is very clearly no whippet.the dog beside it is a 45 pound lurcher and its bigger than it by a noticable differance.i know you were not present at the all ireland part of events but there is bound to be some outsiders you know that were and can tell you.the showing went very very well i thought on the day apart from pups in the working classes but thankfully your chosen judge spotted this and wasnt caught out but i know what was said when he told the ring man but thats a different story.albert again a great event for the part you were involved in but when you left so did the wanting to be the best.i doubt roscrea will mess up the racing like saturday as they know what their doing.yours in sport kegs

 

 

Kegs,

Your points are well taken and have been made to me by others by 'phone. I had asked Matt to ensure he had back up lures in place. I enjoyed being at the MMgG but as you are probably aware I am 'hands on' with a lot of the other events including the interclub golden retriever test which only comes our way every 11/12 years so can't be everywhere at once.We had the best shooting, angling, and gundogs at any of the fairs ever and should have had the best terrier & lurchers - I am determined to get this right so I do value suggestions. We will be reveiwing all aspects of the terrier and lurcher events after this year and I look forward to working with Shane Lee on the racing at Birr. I was impressed with him when we met at Shanes.

 

Albertj