bird 9,969 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Theres one problem with the E collar though he will no doubt blame the other dog for hurting him and hit it even harder.it can be fixed will just take time and a lot of patience but be careful or you will get a vets bill.Id just use him single handed ive never had a dog that turned on the other dogs before while dispatching their prey ive seen other dogs with that problem My bull x is a nightmare out in public dont get me wrong he walks like a gem and doesnt show any signs really but he has to be muzzled cos he doesnt do strange dogs bounding up to him.Yet in the field he will work with other males and never do a thing my only worry is if the other dog had a go hed rip it to shreds he doesnt do insults well.Ive seen first hand the damage he can do and thats why i dont take chances now doesnt matter if the other dog stopped mine would still keep going till he kills it so please be careful spot on the drive+power of some bullxs are (not) dogs you want to kick off with other dogs, and more so another bullx. Ive handle lots of dogs over the years from staffs, pit, lurchers, to bullmastffs, my last bullmastff i had was 26in 147lb male big strong dog. But my bullxgrey pup Tod i swear is stronger than that bullmastiff male i had, and Tod only 11 month old now , so feck knows how strong he will be at 2 years old . With all my bullxs i get them out as much as i can as pups with other dogs, and it as paid off as Tod loves people and other dogs.With his size 26in 75lb, if he did get funny with other dogs when older, he would take hell of alot of stopping, so i think it a must to have them friendly with people+dogs as you can. Quote Link to post
Guest born to run1083 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 I think with some dogs it's just there nature every dog has different personality traits. My mates dog is exactly the same been brought up and socialised from a young pup with all different dogs and walks of life but he has to be a single handed dog only as he will nail other dogs going for his quarry. But being single handed is great ,better then a crap dog that has to be doubled. When go with mates we only slip single handed anyway so these traits don't bother us about our mates dog. Quote Link to post
fcuktheban 140 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 It does make sense to slip them single. Your dogs get less runs but they will be better. It will also teach your dog that it is part of the pack and has to take its turn just like the rest of them. As far as the e-collar I doubt it would do anything but get the dog more aggrivated. A good dog man knows the value of his dog and what it could become so putting another dog in to sort him out is to say the least a bad idea. Good luck with your pup. Quote Link to post
tb25 4,627 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 just work it by its self mate,no worrys then sounds like a good pup just a shame it has its bad side Quote Link to post
Cold Ethyl 63 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 I didnt like bull xs till i got Flint tbh then i got storm as well and have never looked back.They do require hard work though.You have to second guess them and be one step ahead all the time but i like a challenge lol.Storm gives no real signals before he launches off into one but ive learnt to tell him off before he even gets an idea in his head and try and pre emtive strike to hopefully get it in his head hes not allowed to do certain things.He brilliant out working with other dogs and what not just doesnt like out in public strange dogs running up to him he presumes theyre a threat and tries to get the first hit in sort of a thing.It doesnt matter how many times i shout at the owner of the other dog about him being non to friendly i get my dogs ok so i resorted to muzzling him for their dogs safety.I think an e collar will make him even more agressive if im honest hes young work hard and drum the idea in his head thick and fast and eventually he will get it but i wouldnt ever trust him fully round other dogs.Ive seen the damage mine can do first hand and it was sheer luck that dog survived and that i managed to stop all 4 dogs after neighbours mutt rattled my mates gsd pup for nothing just ran over and grabbed him and mine went bonkers she still walks her dog off lead no muzzle and this dog has bitten kids ffs so wether or not your dogs trained well or not id still err on the side of caution all the time Quote Link to post
Bootsha 1,306 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 If you keep a team of dogs , then all your dogs must be team players, period. Anything that'll upset the balance in a yard of dogs nedds removing from that yard, how you do it is personal choice, no matter how good it is, or likely to be. A young dog with that sort of attitude, and aggression ( this isn't to be confused with prey drive, as if that was high, he wouldn't dream of letting go to pile into something else), at his age will only end in tears. Some bull crosses are that way inclined unfortunately and all the schooling etc i'm afraid, in my humble opinion, wont resolve the matter. He'll either have to be a single dog yard occupant, slipped on his own at all times( as they all should),or shot, pts call it what you will. He's on a one way train my friend, it's up to you if you want to share the same train as him. I would happily admit to talking utter bollox if I am proven wrong, and wish you the very best with your dog for both your futures. ATB B 2 Quote Link to post
skycat 6,173 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 If you keep a team of dogs , then all your dogs must be team players, period. Anything that'll upset the balance in a yard of dogs nedds removing from that yard, how you do it is personal choice, no matter how good it is, or likely to be. A young dog with that sort of attitude, and aggression ( this isn't to be confused with prey drive, as if that was high, he wouldn't dream of letting go to pile into something else), at his age will only end in tears. Some bull crosses are that way inclined unfortunately and all the schooling etc i'm afraid, in my humble opinion, wont resolve the matter. He'll either have to be a single dog yard occupant, slipped on his own at all times( as they all should),or shot, pts call it what you will. He's on a one way train my friend, it's up to you if you want to share the same train as him. I would happily admit to talking utter bollox if I am proven wrong, and wish you the very best with your dog for both your futures. ATB B :thumbs: The most sense spoken so far. Dogs which want to take out other dogs are a time bomb: I still can't figure out why people want to slip two big strong dogs on any vermin in the UK: surely one good dog is enough for anything smaller than our largest wild mammal? Or is it just the mob handed mentality which seems to prevail these days? Quote Link to post
Bootsha 1,306 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Why thankyou Skycat... Sooooo Kind. Quote Link to post
bantheban 0 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I've allways brought young dogs on with old dogs it's allways worked and I expect everyone will agree there no other reason for it so read the forum back through before commenting thankyou Quote Link to post
Guest FTBBTH Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 let the dog watch the other dogs kill get him useto laying ect with other dogs, with tennis balls anything, my mate had bull lurcher the same, it takes time and ptience good luck Quote Link to post
bullmastiff 615 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Jmo but it sounds like it's just a strong adolescent that's getting protective of it's catch? maybe it just associates another dog as losing it's prey? Now he's just big enough and strong enough to protect what he caught. If you think that much of him and want to make a go of it with the pup then maybe you could try working him near a well trained, steady dog. One that's not going to try and make a grab for the quarry, won't whimper, bark, jump about etc. and will stay calmly at heel. Then just walk the other dog over to him whilst he's with the quarry. Then if he has a go at the other dog you'll be close enough to correct him properly (there's f*ck all use screaming at him from a distance!), if he doesn't have a go then he'll be learning that another dog about doesn't necessarily mean he'll lose his catch. All the best with him either way. Luke Quote Link to post
SLiP tHe DoG ! 129 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 they are unpredictable , slow , thick , and ugly as f**k ..... waste of time Quote Link to post
Cold Ethyl 63 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 they are unpredictable , slow , thick , and ugly as f**k ..... waste of time Not all of them dont get me wrong theyre ugly as sin lol but my two are far from slow or thick either.Used to think the male dog was thick as shit but hes proved me wrong fly b*****ds been up to all sorts lately think he just has selective hearing . Back to the topic at hand you know as well as we all do you really need to get a handle on this quick style before it either gets way out of hand or another dog end up dead through him.No offence to the dog but theyre not a toy and certasinly not worth any chances being taken on that score my lads 40kg built like a brick shithouse and ive seen 1rst hand what he can do in seconds and i know how bloody hard it was to stop him so my advice is to really go and get a grip on him asap and make sure the message gets across failing that single dog i probably wouldnt trust him now personally for safetys sake Quote Link to post
WHITEYrs4 29 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 i have had many types of lurchers over the years ranging from saluki crosses to beddlington whippets but i have come to a desision that bull crosses work best for me i have three of them at the moment but i have just brought a good one in from a mate but he will not work with other dogs he will lock on to what ever it is hes coursing and as soon as another dogs goes in to help him he turns on the dog and beats the other dog up looks like i might have to use him as a single handed dog as i dont want to be to ferm on him for fear of rouining him any suggestions cos this is the first one ive had that blows a fuse JUST slip 1 dog we never slip 2 bulls No need Quote Link to post
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