WILF 47,486 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,400 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... Your average lurcherman doesn't keep them long enough to train them later. Or thinking about it, train them at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hannah4181 260 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... I train all pups regardless of breed from day one . . .. once they reach a year or so i guess its just a case of intensifying the training to suit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... Never understood why the lurchers seem to be used early..maybe thats why so many turn out shite. I'm a firm believer in a pup being a pup and no serious training until 1 year of age.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pegleg33 134 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... Never understood why the lurchers seem to be used early..maybe thats why so many turn out shite. I'm a firm believer in a pup being a pup and no serious training until 1 year of age.... I'll agree with lab somewhat, by letting a pup be a pup you can see how it is maturing and tailor the training to to suit the individual.I tend to do all the basics from a young age sit/stay, walk to heel, retrieving and build the basics for quartering.Then depending on the pup i'll up the training, but that's not usually until about 10 too 12 months old Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Good question mate, i'd love to know the answer, i've had the pleasure of watching (at one time) the best field trial dogs (and proper working) in the country being trained and they had nowt but socialisation and basics until 7 months or so and then in a reletivly short space of time learnt a huge deal. Now that just doesn't seem to work with running dogs, they run amok if not given shit to learn young it seems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tb25 4,627 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 to many many folk in a rush to get a lurcher working? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leegreen 2,197 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... Are you not training dogs no matter what breed, every moment you are with them? Edited for punctuation yc. Edited June 21, 2011 by leegreen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... Never understood why the lurchers seem to be used early..maybe thats why so many turn out shite. I'm a firm believer in a pup being a pup and no serious training until 1 year of age.... They turn out shit because they are used early and because sadly they're cheap, plentiful, easy to access and if it don't do the lot before it's a year it's sold on as unspoilt and ready to go!? You could wake up tomorrow, look in the right (or wrong) places and easily but half a dozen lurcher puppies by teatime!!! On the other hand though spaniels, labs, pointers decent collies and such like are not as freely available. Are they??? I haven't a clue how much a decent lab, pointer, spaniel puppy would set you back but I bet it's not a paltry £100. And sadly a lot of the guys who own lurchers have that throw away mentality. 10 months old, no good, get shot, get another and before you know it that one's ruined too. Pass it on to someone else who bangs a litter out of it and before you know it the messer will be buying pups off parents/grandparents ruined by his own hand...some poor lurchers'll have pretty crappy lives I would imagine. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... because the lurcher world has not caught up with the proper training methods of training through drive, they're starting lurchers before drive even kicks in , and in most cases lurchers owners are only point and slip men , not all but a lot are it dont matter about standards of training if thats the case, gun dogs and protection dogs see the owner as their channel to work , the handler controls the drive, most lurcher owners let the quarry control the dog , you think most lurcher owners could control their dog at the sight of a rabbit like a lab owner controls his when a bird goes down , not a chance, different methods different results,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... because we no better than most Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... because we no better than most It was all going along smoothly there until you spoke.....now be quiet you silly sausage......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... because we no better than most It was all going along smoothly there until you spoke.....now be quiet you silly sausage......... just saying it how it is mate most lurcher pups in good homes will be out and about in the field as soon as there jabbed up!!! theres a lot of things a working lurcher can learn before it even sees a rabbit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... because the lurcher world has not caught up with the proper training methods of training through drive, they're starting lurchers before drive even kicks in , and in most cases lurchers owners are only point and slip men , not all but a lot are it dont matter about standards of training if thats the case, gun dogs and protection dogs see the owner as their channel to work , the handler controls the drive, most lurcher owners let the quarry control the dog , you think most lurcher owners could control their dog at the sight of a rabbit like a lab owner controls his when a bird goes down , not a chance, different methods different results,, replys like this make me piss my myself :laugh: what a load of bollox so your saying every single lab wont chase a shot bird then???? if thats all you no about lurchers then id go out and learn alot more before you comment on them :bye: Edited June 22, 2011 by lurcher1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Why do we train Lurchers and various other types early in their life and yet not train gundogs or manwork dogs until later in their life?......... Never understood why the lurchers seem to be used early..maybe thats why so many turn out shite. I'm a firm believer in a pup being a pup and no serious training until 1 year of age.... They turn out shit because they are used early and because sadly they're cheap, plentiful, easy to access and if it don't do the lot before it's a year it's sold on as unspoilt and ready to go!? You could wake up tomorrow, look in the right (or wrong) places and easily but half a dozen lurcher puppies by teatime!!! On the other hand though spaniels, labs, pointers decent collies and such like are not as freely available. Are they??? I haven't a clue how much a decent lab, pointer, spaniel puppy would set you back but I bet it's not a paltry £100. And sadly a lot of the guys who own lurchers have that throw away mentality. 10 months old, no good, get shot, get another and before you know it that one's ruined too. Pass it on to someone else who bangs a litter out of it and before you know it the messer will be buying pups off parents/grandparents ruined by his own hand...some poor lurchers'll have pretty crappy lives I would imagine. as a matter of fact yes they are just as many messers and peddlers in the gun dog world as the lurcher world FACT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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