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[k9delboy 138]

K9 i can remember one incident a long time back when i had a very hard dog to ground and it ran under a slap of a silage pit.We had to get a consaw and compresser and jackhammer to get to the dog.In all the dog was to ground for nearly 7 hours and never once moved from his quarry which was exactly what i expected of him.I had an old dog recently that done 3 days to ground in a shore and took a hell of a lot of punishment for his trouble.He came out himself after 3 days as i could not locate him or enter another dog with collar on as this dog would not tolerate another dog to ground.K9 if you are happy with the way your own dogs work then fair enough,but people have different standards and as you stated you would not want a terrier that stays where i would not keep a terrier that jibbs and if it comes away after an hour or two then thats what it is,a jibber.

Fair comment FM but how long does a terrier have to stay underground so as not to become a jibber, ie 1hr, 2hs, 3hrs etc.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

fm do you hunt with hounds and do they mark the big fellas

[fat man 4,741]

fm do you hunt with hounds and do they mark the big fellas

No hounds,just the terriers and lurchers.The lurchers will mark them if there in.I had a few hounds years ago and we accounted for a lot of foxs then but i found them a pain in the arse when trying to dig and there in on top of you and just been a nuisence so i got shut of the hounds.

[fat man 4,741]

K9 i can remember one incident a long time back when i had a very hard dog to ground and it ran under a slap of a silage pit.We had to get a consaw and compresser and jackhammer to get to the dog.In all the dog was to ground for nearly 7 hours and never once moved from his quarry which was exactly what i expected of him.I had an old dog recently that done 3 days to ground in a shore and took a hell of a lot of punishment for his trouble.He came out himself after 3 days as i could not locate him or enter another dog with collar on as this dog would not tolerate another dog to ground.K9 if you are happy with the way your own dogs work then fair enough,but people have different standards and as you stated you would not want a terrier that stays where i would not keep a terrier that jibbs and if it comes away after an hour or two then thats what it is,a jibber.

Fair comment FM but how long does a terrier have to stay underground so as not to become a jibber, ie 1hr, 2hs, 3hrs etc.

Before the locater came on the scene i often had them to ground well over a day before finially geting to them.

[Guest dee mac]

K9 i can remember one incident a long time back when i had a very hard dog to ground and it ran under a slap of a silage pit.We had to get a consaw and compresser and jackhammer to get to the dog.In all the dog was to ground for nearly 7 hours and never once moved from his quarry which was exactly what i expected of him.I had an old dog recently that done 3 days to ground in a shore and took a hell of a lot of punishment for his trouble.He came out himself after 3 days as i could not locate him or enter another dog with collar on as this dog would not tolerate another dog to ground.K9 if you are happy with the way your own dogs work then fair enough,but people have different standards and as you stated you would not want a terrier that stays where i would not keep a terrier that jibbs and if it comes away after an hour or two then thats what it is,a jibber.

Fair comment FM but how long does a terrier have to stay underground so as not to become a jibber, ie 1hr, 2hs, 3hrs etc.

good honest terriers cant tell the time the only reason they go to ground is too help there trusted owner too locate there quarry and hold it too dug this may be 5 mins maybe 5 hours say they go too ground and cannot be dug well then it could be a day or it could be 3 days and some times they might never be seen again cause before they leave that earth they will have given every last drop of themselves before exhaution or thirst or combination off the two takes them out and in the worst case they ll give there live s .thats my take on it anyway and thats the type i ll strive too keep and breed not a one hour wonder who works when it suits them .

[fat man 4,741]

Spot on dee,thats how it should be.

[just hunt 69]

when a fox is moving quickly his body gets warm and its scent will be stronger, a fox thats been hunted for hours gets tired the scent from him gets weaker, its then a fresh fox can lead the hounds astray as his scent is stronger, a fox that lies still can give off very little scent, i think what happened to you moby was when the fox came aware of you or the dog he then gave off some scent, so what you were saying was quite true, i could talk all night about foxes and badgers but i wont bore ye any more.

 

As i said a fox thats being hunted to ground ,or ran to ground

whatever way you want to put it has to be giving off sent ...

 

Therefore when the terrier is brought to the earth it surely

has a better chance finding .I know a lot can happen while hounds are

marking ,blocked earths etc but it should be still a res

[Guest busterdog]

In my personal experiance a terrier needs to switch the way it normaly works when out for a mooch. A terrier working with hounds needs to switch off the nose and get to ground to find the scent, this might sound like shite but think about it, when your out for a strole your terrier is walked to earth after earth, most are empty but when you come across a used earth the terrier is given plenty of time to mark before he gets to do his thing. Hunt terriers (when not out stopping) are expected to go to ground after thirty to forty odd hounds have been slavering all over the mouth of the earth pissing and shitting everywhere they go, so there isn't usually any scent at the mouth of the hole unless you can get to the mark quickly and knock them off, most of the time there isn't even a hole to let them into, you have to find it by digging the mark out.

 

 

 

Edited to say add anything from 20 to 100 people wating for a result and the whole thing starts to get messy.

 

 

 

Forgot to mention the stinking hound breath lol, you pull god knows how many hounds out of a hole and watch the steam from their breath come out of the earth for the next few minutes.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

In my personal experiance a terrier needs to switch the way it normaly works when out for a mooch. A terrier working with hounds needs to switch off the nose and get to ground to find the scent, this might sound like shite but think about it, when your out for a strole your terrier is walked to earth after earth, most are empty but when you come across a used earth the terrier is given plenty of time to mark before he gets to do his thing. Hunt terriers (when not out stopping) are expected to go to ground after thirty to fourty odd hounds have been slavering all over the mouth of the earth pissing and shitting everywhere they go, so there isn't usually ant scent at the mouth of the hole unless you can get to the mark quickly and knock them off, most of the time there isn't even a hole to let them into, you have to find it by digging the mark out.

 

 

 

Edited to say add anything from 20 to 100 people wating for a result and the whole thing starts to get messy.

the sweet smell of experience

[MOO 730]

you cant class all dogs as quitters if they dont stay till you dig to them,and stupid to think like that,

A terrier that doesnt stay till it is dug with out being called out is a quitter ...a jacker ..a spewer ...it has walked of the job end off story ....there is no doubt some of they types have there uses ...There will be many lads that dont realise what differant types of terrier with all sorts of situations and uses is needed on a hunt

Del glad to see you have put your toys back in the pram when some lads dont agree with things you have written ..this would be a boring forum if we all thought the same

Edited June 28, 2011 by MOO

[Cleanspade 3,322]

you cant class all dogs as quitters if they dont stay till you dig to them,and stupid to think like that,

A terrier that doesnt stay till it is dug with out being called out is a quitter ...a jacker ..a spewer ...it has walked of the job end off story ....there is no doubt some of they types have there uses ...There will be many lads that dont realise what differant types of terrier with all sorts of situations and uses is needed on a hunt

Del glad to see you have put your toys back in the pram when some lads dont agree with things you have written ..this would be a boring forum if we all thought the same

 

if you keep dogs to dig to i agree whole heartedly but if you keep terriers to bolt foxes and breed them for that. how long they stay isnt a factor. its how well they can shift foxes from below ground. a different task for a different animal. some good ones come from failed digging dogs

and yes they are spewers. but if they are bred for bolting foxes. then surely different rules apply

food for thought

[MOO 730]

you cant class all dogs as quitters if they dont stay till you dig to them,and stupid to think like that,

A terrier that doesnt stay till it is dug with out being called out is a quitter ...a jacker ..a spewer ...it has walked of the job end off story ....there is no doubt some of they types have there uses ...There will be many lads that dont realise what differant types of terrier with all sorts of situations and uses is needed on a hunt

Del glad to see you have put your toys back in the pram when some lads dont agree with things you have written ..this would be a boring forum if we all thought the same

 

if you keep dogs to dig to i agree whole heartedly but if you keep terriers to bolt foxes and breed them for that. how long they stay isnt a factor. its how well they can shift foxes from below ground. a different task for a different animal. some good ones come from failed digging dogs

and yes they are spewers. but if they are bred for bolting foxes. then surely different rules apply

food for thought

Surely bolting terriers are not bred from other bolting terriers or spewers whatever you want to call them surely they are born with the owner thinking even hopeing they will become digging terriers but after failing in that job they are kept to become bolting terriers if the owner has a use for that type ....imo if you breed from out and out bolting terriers you will quickly go down the slippery slope of produceing out and out wankers

[Guest dee mac]

you cant class all dogs as quitters if they dont stay till you dig to them,and stupid to think like that,

A terrier that doesnt stay till it is dug with out being called out is a quitter ...a jacker ..a spewer ...it has walked of the job end off story ....there is no doubt some of they types have there uses ...There will be many lads that dont realise what differant types of terrier with all sorts of situations and uses is needed on a hunt

Del glad to see you have put your toys back in the pram when some lads dont agree with things you have written ..this would be a boring forum if we all thought the same

 

if you keep dogs to dig to i agree whole heartedly but if you keep terriers to bolt foxes and breed them for that. how long they stay isnt a factor. its how well they can shift foxes from below ground. a different task for a different animal. some good ones come from failed digging dogs

and yes they are spewers. but if they are bred for bolting foxes. then surely different rules apply

food for thought

Surely bolting terriers are not bred from other bolting terriers or spewers whatever you want to call them surely they are born with the owner thinking even hopeing they will become digging terriers but after failing in that job they are kept to become bolting terriers if the owner has a use for that type ....imo if you breed from out and out bolting terriers you will quickly go down the slippery slope of produceing out and out wankers

exactly moo

[fat man 4,741]

That was my argument the whole time dee,if you keep jackers,breed from jackers,you end up with jackers.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

you cant class all dogs as quitters if they dont stay till you dig to them,and stupid to think like that,

A terrier that doesnt stay till it is dug with out being called out is a quitter ...a jacker ..a spewer ...it has walked of the job end off story ....there is no doubt some of they types have there uses ...There will be many lads that dont realise what differant types of terrier with all sorts of situations and uses is needed on a hunt

Del glad to see you have put your toys back in the pram when some lads dont agree with things you have written ..this would be a boring forum if we all thought the same

 

if you keep dogs to dig to i agree whole heartedly but if you keep terriers to bolt foxes and breed them for that. how long they stay isnt a factor. its how well they can shift foxes from below ground. a different task for a different animal. some good ones come from failed digging dogs

and yes they are spewers. but if they are bred for bolting foxes. then surely different rules apply

food for thought

Surely bolting terriers are not bred from other bolting terriers or spewers whatever you want to call them surely they are born with the owner thinking even hopeing they will become digging terriers but after failing in that job they are kept to become bolting terriers if the owner has a use for that type ....imo if you breed from out and out bolting terriers you will quickly go down the slippery slope of produceing out and out wankers

 

i think i'll agree to disagree on that one. when you see the work that can be bred for across the board with canines. bolting foxes isnt rocket science. its a relatively simple task. but it is stupid to compare a good bolting terrier with a digging dog. as they need totally different qualities. and as for wankers. ive used that term on a few occassions when one of my terriers where anything above three foot down and refuseing to come out. why is it digging lads force there values on all working terriers. your like jehovahs whitnesses