pigsy 34 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 So now we have the whippets sorted out bean-hunter what about wee greys been raced as lurchers ,what do you think of that ? Well now that's another thing!! We just can't everyone happy osprey. All we can ask is honesty from the whippet and lurcher folk at these shows. I have lurchers and am sick of people questioning them. Yes there is greyhound in them like most race breed dogs but there are not of full greyhound. Unlike these unmarked ones that are being run by certain folk who know who they are. All I would say is it will all come out in the wash and I'll have the biggest smile on my face when my race breed lurcher beats that coursing greyhound....... Think your a bit out of order And agree with lady jane can we stick to the tread here No need to get personal the debate was on what is going to race next week at shanes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twiggy 12 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 So now we have the whippets sorted out bean-hunter what about wee greys been raced as lurchers ,what do you think of that ? Well now that's another thing!! We just can't everyone happy osprey. All we can ask is honesty from the whippet and lurcher folk at these shows. I have lurchers and am sick of people questioning them. Yes there is greyhound in them like most race breed dogs but there are not of full greyhound. Unlike these unmarked ones that are being run by certain folk who know who they are. All I would say is it will all come out in the wash and I'll have the biggest smile on my face when my race breed lurcher beats that coursing greyhound....... Think your a bit out of order And agree with lady jane can we stick to the tread here No need to get personal the debate was on what is going to race next week at shanes a load of bag chasing tubes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pigsy 34 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 So now we have the whippets sorted out bean-hunter what about wee greys been raced as lurchers ,what do you think of that ? Well now that's another thing!! We just can't everyone happy osprey. All we can ask is honesty from the whippet and lurcher folk at these shows. I have lurchers and am sick of people questioning them. Yes there is greyhound in them like most race breed dogs but there are not of full greyhound. Unlike these unmarked ones that are being run by certain folk who know who they are. All I would say is it will all come out in the wash and I'll have the biggest smile on my face when my race breed lurcher beats that coursing greyhound....... Think your a bit out of order And agree with lady jane can we stick to the tread here No need to get personal the debate was on what is going to race next week at shanes a load of bag chasing tubes. Well said give that man a cegar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fat-Ferret 857 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 A very heated discussion... Racing whippet, non ped, coursing whippet, hard blood or whatever floats your boat, as long as they bring home the dinner, isn't that all that matters? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leanne23 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 So now we have the whippets sorted out bean-hunter what about wee greys been raced as lurchers ,what do you think of that ? Well now that's another thing!! We just can't everyone happy osprey. All we can ask is honesty from the whippet and lurcher folk at these shows. I have lurchers and am sick of people questioning them. Yes there is greyhound in them like most race breed dogs but there are not of full greyhound. Unlike these unmarked ones that are being run by certain folk who know who they are. All I would say is it will all come out in the wash and I'll have the biggest smile on my face when my race breed lurcher beats that coursing greyhound....... Think your a bit out of order And agree with lady jane can we stick to the tread here No need to get personal the debate was on what is going to race next week at shanes a load of bag chasing tubes. Well said give that man a cegar :lazy: :lazy: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iworkwhippets 12,505 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 A very heated discussion... Racing whippet, non ped, coursing whippet, hard blood or whatever floats your boat, as long as they bring home the dinner, isn't that all that matters? Nice one my son, at the end of the day, thats what whippets were born and bred to do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twiggy 12 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 So now we have the whippets sorted out bean-hunter what about wee greys been raced as lurchers ,what do you think of that ? Well now that's another thing!! We just can't everyone happy osprey. All we can ask is honesty from the whippet and lurcher folk at these shows. I have lurchers and am sick of people questioning them. Yes there is greyhound in them like most race breed dogs but there are not of full greyhound. Unlike these unmarked ones that are being run by certain folk who know who they are. All I would say is it will all come out in the wash and I'll have the biggest smile on my face when my race breed lurcher beats that coursing greyhound....... Think your a bit out of order And agree with lady jane can we stick to the tread here No need to get personal the debate was on what is going to race next week at shanes a load of bag chasing tubes. Well said give that man a cegar :lazy: :lazy: whats wrong hit a nerve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
been hunter 8 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 And do u attend the shows then? Are you another representative? yes I attend alot of shows no not a representative ,nor a ball licker but allways were told cheaters never really win So I race fair dont win much but enjoy the days crack, thats what its all about , but am not starting a club of my own up cause I cant win lol Roy dead on osprey, i meant the question for ant dog coz he sounds like one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
been hunter 8 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 So now we have the whippets sorted out bean-hunter what about wee greys been raced as lurchers ,what do you think of that ? Well now that's another thing!! We just can't everyone happy osprey. All we can ask is honesty from the whippet and lurcher folk at these shows. I have lurchers and am sick of people questioning them. Yes there is greyhound in them like most race breed dogs but there are not of full greyhound. Unlike these unmarked ones that are being run by certain folk who know who they are. All I would say is it will all come out in the wash and I'll have the biggest smile on my face when my race breed lurcher beats that coursing greyhound....... Think your a bit out of order And agree with lady jane can we stick to the tread here No need to get personal the debate was on what is going to race next week at shanes a load of bag chasing tubes. you couldnt fight your way out of a paper bag wiggy you gonna say that about every person on this that goes to the show? i hunt and race my dogs, some people can do more than 1 thing at a time......... so as you rightly said, stick to the topic which is whippets chasing a bag...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluebell 418 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) Lost track on this thread...Have to agree it is a bit unrealistic to say that only whippets with papers should be racing 'been hunter' has said, whippets can come in all different sizes and throwbacks so how can people tell if it is a pure breed or not?? if thats the case who has the right to question anyone's whippet, if the owner says it a whippet and noone can prove different then its a whippet.. Edited June 18, 2011 by bluebell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzam 239 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Some people will cheat and do anything to win a race ie . run a non ped/lurcher in with whippets . run an unmarked greyhound against lurchers . run a dog thats over 23" with the unders . i have even heard of a story of two almost identical dogs, one run in the heats and the other kept fresh for the final . lure slowed down . lure quickened up As there is no governing body it all comes down to honesty and trust.....and since there isn't much of that about.....there will always be suspicions and accusations over certain dogs that win. Whether its a whippet, under 23" or over 23" no one is overly bothered about the breeding until it starts winning. You can understand some people wanting to keep the whippet racing to whippets with papers only but if someone wants to cheat they will find a way around this unless it goes down the route of DNA testing. It's incredible the lengths some will go to to win a rossette and a trophy. Darren Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 when is shanes castle will some one pm me dates and rough directions coming from down south cheers lads The Fair is on Saturday 25th and Sunday 26th June - 10.00 to 6.00 see website www.irishgamefair.com to get directions, google irish game fair 0r use AA route Master Saturday Racing from 1.00 Sunday Show from 1.00 Any other queries email me to irishgamefair@btinternet.com Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) Lost track on this thread...Have to agree it is a bit unrealistic to say that only whippets with papers should be racing 'been hunter' has said, whippets can come in all different sizes and throwbacks so how can people tell if it is a pure breed or not?? if thats the case who has the right to question anyone's whippet, if the owner says it a whippet and noone can prove different then its a whippet.. I have been extremely disappointed by this thread. We have responded to all sorts of suggestions on this forum including that we do more for the increasing number of people wanting to show and race whippets in NON KC events. For those with KC whippets as you know there is a KC Open show organised by the NIGFSS on the Sunday as part of their group show. We have always supplied an alternative option for whippets 'with and without papers.' However as someone who has shown and worked dogs for many years I applaud the efforts of KC registered whippet owners to work or race dogs bred more for beauty. I have done this myself with largely show bred retrievers but it is usually always a compromise. I found it a challenge to take on working bred dogs with mine ( including the top labradors) with some success and now that I have only working bred dogs I find it fun to show mine occassionally against show bred dogs. However I do recognise that my participation in both spheres was/is mainly for fun! The 24th All Ireland Championships at Shanes is a non KC event therefore KC rules do not and cannot apply. We cannot and will not go down the route of making it KC only whippets. All our event at our Fairs are pitched at maximum inclusivity and based on the HONESTY and INTEGRITY of the competitors - this goes for classification of gundogs, clay shooting, casting and terrier, lurchers and whippets. We have gone the extra mile with prizes and classes this year through not only the the generosity of our sponsors but actually putting quite a bit in ourselves. So can we not just have an enjoyable event and then you can tell us how we can improve it for the benefit of all the dog owners who compete for 2012. The 24th ANNUAL ALL IRELAND TERRIER, LURCHER & WHIPPET CHAMPIONSHIPS At THE IRISH GAME FAIR SHOWING CLASSES on SUNDAY 26th June start 1.00pm SUPREME CHAMPION Barbour Coat value £400 CHAMPION TERRIER £50 sponsored by Premier Event Catering + Tankard + Dog Food CHAMPION LURCHER £50 sponsored by Premier Event Catering by Tankard + Dog Food. The Champion Lurcher qualifies for the Redmills Five Nations International Lurcher Final at Birr Castle on the 28th August (and some travel expenses payable at Birr) and also receives four tickets to the Birr Castle FAIR and a year's subscription to IRISH Countrysports and Country Life magazine. The Prize fund for the winner of this prestigious final will top €1,500. CHAMPION WHIPPET £50 Sponsored by IRISH Countrysports and Country Life magazine + Tankard+ Dog Food PUPPY CHAMPION Tankard + Dog Food CHAMPION PET Trophy Top Terrier and Top Lurcher Qualify for the Countrymans Weekly Championships at the Midland Fair LURCHER WHIPPET & TERRIER RACING Saturday 25th June 2011 start 1.00pm Redmills Master Mc Grath FINAL for the LARGEST PRIZE EVER OFFERED IN IRELAND FOR TERRIER & LURCHERS this includes £500, A Barbour Coat worth £400 and a painting of the winning dog by leading canine artist David L Prescott RUNNER UP GETS a WATCH VALUE £250 sponsored by Gardiner Bros Jewellers. Followed by the 24th ALL IRELAND TERRIER, LURCHER and WHIPPET RACING CHAMPIONSHIPS 1st PLACED OVER 23 LURCHER £40 Sponsored by Countryside Alliance Ireland +Tankard 1st PLACED UNDER 23 LURCHER RECEIVES Sponsored by Countryside Alliance Ireland £40 +Tankard . 1st PLACED WHIPPET RECEIVES £40 Sponsored by Countryside Alliance Ireland +Tankard 1st PLACED TERRIER Sponsored by Countryside Alliance Ireland I £30 +Trophy TERRIER,WHIPPET & LURCHER EVENTS Sponsored by Redmills, Premier Events Catering, Countryside Alliance Ireland and IRISH Countrysports and Country Life magazine I have huge commitments on Saturday including the Interclub Golden Retriever Test for nine teams and around 60 golden retriever owners from the UK plus at least two TV crews but I hope to spend some time over the two days at the terrier and lurcher area so please do feel free to say hello. Albertj Edited June 18, 2011 by AlbertJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 A very heated discussion... Racing whippet, non ped, coursing whippet, hard blood or whatever floats your boat, as long as they bring home the dinner, isn't that all that matters? Now that's what I call a 'working whippet'! AlbertJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whip x grey 276 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 There are THREE types of Whippet in the UK as I see it ! There are the KC Show type whippet and the KC registered racing whippet, the bloodlines that have developed over the last 40 years. When I was a young lad starting off Whippet racing in the UK in the mid 70`s, all the racing dogs were show bred that went racing, but now a KC racing bloodline has developed. Then there is the non-pedigree whippet. I`m not talking the half bred scratch dogs over 35lbs at the lighter end of the scale, i`m talking whippets between 16-30lbs. These are what Bluebell (Paris) and myself (Mountcashel Ernie) own. They have pedigrees that go back to the `60`s and I consider genuine racing Whippets that have the slight build, but genuine speed and bloodlines that have deveolped down through yhe years. These dogs will always easily beat a KC whippet as Ernie did at Shanes Castle in 2007. I think he was probably the first racing bred Whippet here and being just 30lbs wasn`t out of place in the whippet class. I think there are not enough whippets in Ireland to form strong racing clubs, pity. People like to `show` their dogs then race them. The racing is a bit of a free-for-all up a field and nothing like what goes on in the UK, but as long as people enjoy it that`s what matters ! There is no non ped racing over here so that is why paris races in lurchers and ernie should have been likewise and any pups out of him should be entered as lurchers not whippets hardbloods are not aloud to race against ped whippets at their club,,,,but a ped can race against a hardblood at there club,,,,,as there is advantage when there,s greyhound blood involed 1st rule in non peds ,,,,are if ur dog is smooth coated and off whippet apperance,,,,u can race,,,,,,same rule should in theory apply to lurcher racing events that have whippet racing,,,,but there will always be a debate on this,,,so lurcher events that hold whippet racing should arvitise,, only if papers are produced on the day,,,if not then a non ped should be able to run,,,and working whippets that dont have papers,,,,,other wise u cant reject a whippet dog owner who wants to race martain,,,,,ull find if u check ur non peds breeding ,,,,he,ll go back 100 years not 40,,,,and as u know his greyhound side will go back 100,s off more years,,,,,,hence why some pll,s will say a hardblood who is breed this way ,,,keeps so close to its ancestory i,e greyhound,,,there one off the origanals,,,,,as they keep to there ancestory,,,,i,e greyhound,,,,,but thats another debate u might find ur dog martain has kc breed whippet from 50,s back to kc was born ,,,,with that in mind ur in ur right to race agaisnt whippets at lurcher show,s ,,,,,when papers dont have to be produced Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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