AlbertJ 569 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 albert, there are two whippet racing clubs in ni, one just starting up and one runs racing in antrim, why dont you ask them people for advise. when you say take it up on the day,how when you dont have to take your dog with you to pay you could enter anything and the organisor wont want to know he wouldnt even give a rerun last year when the lure broke. 2 clubs i thought ther was only 1 is this another club to cause tension among the whippet people or is it 1 for the people that cant win at the other club or cant get ther own way just my thought on it totally agree longstone lad, the proper sporting whippet club is the only one as far as i know. the other is some idgit trying to start his own so that he can win all the time with his 'kc reg' whippet. why does this person not attend the sporting whippet club and offer opinions in it for a seperate papers only whippet race as well as open racing??? possibly coz they never win anything? and yet they 'represent' the whippet community apparently? there is no problem with the whippet racing as far as im concerned, while they are no kc reg only racing thats just life, whipeets can come in all different sizes and throwbacks so how can people tell if it is a pure breed or not?? BEEN HUNTER It is clear you don't know me, our you would know It was I and my wife the founded the sporting whippet club It was a spin off from a group (club} Robert Milligan started at the round tower Antrim he then introduced us to the owener at Dunsilly Kennals . In my time at the sporting whippet I tried in vain to have the club run a race for Peds and a race for those of non proven peds As a whippet owener I belive the blood lines and the breeding be kept as pure as possible ,When running non kc there is always the fear of someone pushing the boundries. Putting the event organiser in a no win situation of having to confront a person to get off the start line because there was a concern over the breeding of their dog.And as Janet rightly says whippets come in all shapes and sizes so to determine a ped be eye would be hard , How bad would it be if the owener turned up later in the day with papers for the dog concerned and was wrongly refused to race. The only proof of breeding is KC that is way the kennal club exists And DNA which to be honest I know very little about. So the way I see it it is either under 21 Whippet type {luchers}icluding whippets or kc whippets only . But this only my opinion Which ever way Matt & Co decides I WILL BE running my dogs and hoping for a good weather,And good luck too all that are racing . And well done to those in the master Mcgrath looking forward to what is going to be a good day Thanks to Albert Matt and folk that work so hard to make it all possible see you all there. SAMMY GUMS...... Some of what you say is true, but i still stick by what i think. you are 'trying' to run a club to suit yourself, not for others. there is a perfectly good whippet club in antrim that caters for all. any positive thinking you have you should give to the people who know what they are doing. the real question i want to know is how come ive seen you once this year, but you turn up at stormont to represent the good whippet folk???? surely it should have been for people who actually represent whippets on a weekly basis up and down the country, not a one time charlie? this was a major event and a priviledge that others deserved more than you. how many whippets do you have even? i feel very strongly about this as others will have seen the photos etc and they will get the wrong impression of you. john humpreys deserved to be there for what he and his dogs have done over the years, but im still scratching my head as to why you were allowed to go. roll on the next show to i see if you actually turn up and support what you preach? oh i forgot, its shanes next week so that will be your other show of the year im sure. you should support the small shows as well as the larger ones, same as you are our 'representitive' In defence of Sammy - who I only met at Stormont - he was not 'representing the whippet fraternity. In fact initially we had only invited lurchers ( some Master Mc Grath finalists) to publicise the Master McGrath Final and to get photos of film of a snippet of racing. When the forecast looked a bit bleak and we looked at the possibilities of racing we decided if we were going to put on a simulated race we would be better to do it with whippters. Kieran kindly offered to bring one and John Humphrey's who lives just down the road said he could get one locally. This was a last minute thing and I was obliged to Sammy for facilitating me in supplying a whippet at short notice. As I have said on this forum we do take suggestions on board and are always happy to see ALL country sports represented at our PR events be it at Ballywalter House, Ards Town Square, Stormont or Shanes Castle. Our Game Fair advert on UTV next week features a hawk and girl ( who is a true country sports fantatic) ; Horse and hounds and muzzleloader. Our other material features other people. We are keen to show the diversity of our sports. Anyone who wishes to be involved in our promotions is very welcome. All they have to do is offer their services. albert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzam 239 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 There are THREE types of Whippet in the UK as I see it ! There are the KC Show type whippet and the KC registered racing whippet, the bloodlines that have developed over the last 40 years. When I was a young lad starting off Whippet racing in the UK in the mid 70`s, all the racing dogs were show bred that went racing, but now a KC racing bloodline has developed. Then there is the non-pedigree whippet. I`m not talking the half bred scratch dogs over 35lbs at the lighter end of the scale, i`m talking whippets between 16-30lbs. These are what Bluebell (Paris) and myself (Mountcashel Ernie) own. They have pedigrees that go back to the `60`s and I consider genuine racing Whippets that have the slight build, but genuine speed and bloodlines that have deveolped down through yhe years. These dogs will always easily beat a KC whippet as Ernie did at Shanes Castle in 2007. I think he was probably the first racing bred Whippet here and being just 30lbs wasn`t out of place in the whippet class. I think there are not enough whippets in Ireland to form strong racing clubs, pity. People like to `show` their dogs then race them. The racing is a bit of a free-for-all up a field and nothing like what goes on in the UK, but as long as people enjoy it that`s what matters ! There is no non ped racing over here so that is why paris races in lurchers and ernie should have been likewise and any pups out of him should be entered as lurchers not whippets hardbloods are not aloud to race against ped whippets at their club,,,,but a ped can race against a hardblood at there club,,,,,as there is advantage when there,s greyhound blood involed 1st rule in non peds ,,,,are if ur dog is smooth coated and off whippet apperance,,,,u can race,,,,,,same rule should in theory apply to lurcher racing events that have whippet racing,,,,but there will always be a debate on this,,,so lurcher events that hold whippet racing should arvitise,, only if papers are produced on the day,,,if not then a non ped should be able to run,,,and working whippets that dont have papers,,,,,other wise u cant reject a whippet dog owner who wants to race martain,,,,,ull find if u check ur non peds breeding ,,,,he,ll go back 100 years not 40,,,,and as u know his greyhound side will go back 100,s off more years,,,,,,hence why some pll,s will say a hardblood who is breed this way ,,,keeps so close to its ancestory i,e greyhound,,,there one off the origanals,,,,,as they keep to there ancestory,,,,i,e greyhound,,,,,but thats another debate u might find ur dog martain has kc breed whippet from 50,s back to kc was born ,,,,with that in mind ur in ur right to race agaisnt whippets at lurcher show,s ,,,,,when papers dont have to be produced Does that apply to anyone with a dog that has kc breed whippet from 50's, back to kc born regardless of the weight and size of the dog? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whip x grey 276 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 There are THREE types of Whippet in the UK as I see it ! There are the KC Show type whippet and the KC registered racing whippet, the bloodlines that have developed over the last 40 years. When I was a young lad starting off Whippet racing in the UK in the mid 70`s, all the racing dogs were show bred that went racing, but now a KC racing bloodline has developed. Then there is the non-pedigree whippet. I`m not talking the half bred scratch dogs over 35lbs at the lighter end of the scale, i`m talking whippets between 16-30lbs. These are what Bluebell (Paris) and myself (Mountcashel Ernie) own. They have pedigrees that go back to the `60`s and I consider genuine racing Whippets that have the slight build, but genuine speed and bloodlines that have deveolped down through yhe years. These dogs will always easily beat a KC whippet as Ernie did at Shanes Castle in 2007. I think he was probably the first racing bred Whippet here and being just 30lbs wasn`t out of place in the whippet class. I think there are not enough whippets in Ireland to form strong racing clubs, pity. People like to `show` their dogs then race them. The racing is a bit of a free-for-all up a field and nothing like what goes on in the UK, but as long as people enjoy it that`s what matters ! There is no non ped racing over here so that is why paris races in lurchers and ernie should have been likewise and any pups out of him should be entered as lurchers not whippets hardbloods are not aloud to race against ped whippets at their club,,,,but a ped can race against a hardblood at there club,,,,,as there is advantage when there,s greyhound blood involed 1st rule in non peds ,,,,are if ur dog is smooth coated and off whippet apperance,,,,u can race,,,,,,same rule should in theory apply to lurcher racing events that have whippet racing,,,,but there will always be a debate on this,,,so lurcher events that hold whippet racing should arvitise,, only if papers are produced on the day,,,if not then a non ped should be able to run,,,and working whippets that dont have papers,,,,,other wise u cant reject a whippet dog owner who wants to race martain,,,,,ull find if u check ur non peds breeding ,,,,he,ll go back 100 years not 40,,,,and as u know his greyhound side will go back 100,s off more years,,,,,,hence why some pll,s will say a hardblood who is breed this way ,,,keeps so close to its ancestory i,e greyhound,,,there one off the origanals,,,,,as they keep to there ancestory,,,,i,e greyhound,,,,,but thats another debate u might find ur dog martain has kc breed whippet from 50,s back to kc was born ,,,,with that in mind ur in ur right to race agaisnt whippets at lurcher show,s ,,,,,when papers dont have to be produced Does that apply to anyone with a dog that has kc breed whippet from 50's, back to kc born regardless of the weight and size of the dog? lets put it this way ,,,,,,if event dont ask for paper,s,,,,,,,and dog fitts height size and whippet apperance it can run and weight ???? weight i think thats up for debate as working whippets can be heavier and more musceled?????,,,,,,,,,no matter what kc rules say,,,,,last time i looked kc dont run lurcher events,lurcher guys do,,,and its up to him or she on the day,,,,,they dont have to follow crufts,,,,cos who in there right mind would want the winning whippet of that event ,,,that cant run as breed requires,,,,( dont even tell me winner whippet of crufts can catch) ill get upset,,,,lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tango 221 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 not to be drawn into the bitching side of the post but the bottom line is the cheats know who they are and its a sad affair for running dogs in general when these people enter dogs they know arent whippets just to get a rosette there is over and under lurcher racing so why not enter honestly instead of cheating.as a member of the sporting whippet club and owner of a kc reg bitch that also does a bit it can be very annoying to see lurchers on the start line of the whippet racing. shows are abit of summer craic for me and i never would fall out with anyone over winning a rossette.i keep my dogs for me and they do their winning in the winter for me.every competition will get a cheat but it is common place at the shows unfortunately.on the subject of stormont i was to bring a lurcher but ive only two seven month bullx pups that would be suitable for a venue like that and they both have the end of their tails busted so i didnt fancy them covering the car and the MLAs in blood then when the idea for the racing came up i said id take the whippet.i had a good day and a few very interesting conversations with a few MLAS and thank albert very much for the invite Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattysimpson 0 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Will you be able to enter a new whippet up at shanes castle on the day, or is it part of an on going competition ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Will you be able to enter a new whippet up at shanes castle on the day, or is it part of an on going competition ? Yes, The only pre qualified event is the Master Mc Grath Lurcher Racing Final All others are entry on the day. Albert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) I got Ernie as a pup in 2005 and I knew nothing about the shows over here and had got him with the intention of running him in the UK. I had sent him over to someone in 2006 to race, but they only ran him a couple of times and I got him back here and it was then I found out about the shows over here. I ran Ernie for the first time in 2007 at Flourence Court where he was hammered by Miss Torri. It was there I heard about Shanes Castle and went up there. As I considered him a Whippet I entered him in the Whippet section and why wouldn`t I ? He was to run against dogs his size 30lbs and build, as opposed to the 40lbs plus under 23`. He proceeded to win the heat and final by a distance. I think it was because of that they wanted `proper` Whippets in the future. In fairness, when ever he`s run since, the majority of times have been in Roscrea and Enniscorthy he`s run in the Under 23` class. He always gives his best, but he`s not able for the heavier and bigger dogs when it gets to the business end of a competition, especially when your running over 300 yards. He`s well over 6 now and his best days are behind him when it comes to running. He`s given me a lot of fun and is a happy little dog who likes nothing more than a run up my gallop behind the drag with his mate Dill, who we give 25 yards of a headstart to and Ernie still `nails` him at the top. As regards his pups not being allowed to run in Whippet events, I consider that a bit harsh if he mates a whippet bitch, there was litter of 7 born last week ! Good luck to everyone who`s running next week at Shanes Castle. I`ll be up with my Ginger Jack who is definitely not a Whippet ! Here`s Ernie at Shanes Castle in 2007. Edited June 18, 2011 by Martin Tucker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluebell 418 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) Look forward to seeing you Martin and looking forward to Shanes Castle lets hope the weathers good and looking forward to the racing no toss of the coin this time Edited June 18, 2011 by bluebell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Yes Deidra ! Good there`s been plenty of rain, it will make the going safer ! Lets just hope it knows when to stop ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deemac01 0 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 so martin ernie from your own admission is a non ped and not a full whippet so because you cant win in the under 23 lurcher class ie the non pedigree race,you chose to race in the whippet race. i dont race my dogs anymore but i think this is exactly the reason for this topic.its nothing personal its just you give the example.good hunting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 so martin ernie from your own admission is a non ped and not a full whippet so because you cant win in the under 23 lurcher class ie the non pedigree race,you chose to race in the whippet race. i dont race my dogs anymore but i think this is exactly the reason for this topic.its nothing personal its just you give the example.good hunting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 (edited) YAWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are always people like you out there DEEMAC01 who like to comment and try and stir up ill feeling ! Nothing personal ! With a post like that there was always going to be a `reply`! Grow up ! I made it clear after Shanes Castle in 2007 that I ran Ernie in the Under 23` the few times I ran him. In the UK he is a classed as a non-ped WHIPPET and thats why he ran in the Whippet class at Shanes Castle, no mention of KC whippets that day ! It`s people like you that stop people from bothering on these forums. In future i`ll just read and wont comment. 7 posts from me and an end to my `thehuntinglife.com` career ! Good luck to you all next week ! Edited June 19, 2011 by Martin Tucker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longstone lad 1 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 ffs stop hiding behind names we no who u lot are look out the window about midnite Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattysimpson 0 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Interested in having a go, iv only got in2 greyhound racing a year ago, and reared 2 pups up from 4 months old and have turned out to be schooling better than the race dog i had bought... but just found breeders of kc whippets not only 10 mile away from me, and they have alot down there even with no papers,, seen some that looked quick... what would be the best for event wise a kc or non kc pedigree races, which dogs get the most racing events during the year ???? thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattysimpson 0 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 YAWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are always people like you out there DEEMAC01 who like to comment and try and stir up ill feeling ! Nothing personal ! With a post like that there was always going to be a `reply`! Grow up ! I made it clear after Shanes Castle in 2007 that I ran Ernie in the Under 23` the few times I ran him. In the UK he is a classed as a non-ped WHIPPET and thats why he ran in the Whippet class at Shanes Castle, no mention of KC whippets that day ! It`s people like you that stop people from bothering on these forums. In future i`ll just read and wont comment. 7 posts from me and an end to my `thehuntinglife.com` career ! Good luck to you all next week ! MARTIN, i wouldnt worry about all that talk from them boys,... its just the green monster ENVY because you have a good dog that ran well !!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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