been hunter 8 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 albert, there are two whippet racing clubs in ni, one just starting up and one runs racing in antrim, why dont you ask them people for advise. when you say take it up on the day,how when you dont have to take your dog with you to pay you could enter anything and the organisor wont want to know he wouldnt even give a rerun last year when the lure broke. 2 clubs i thought ther was only 1 is this another club to cause tension among the whippet people or is it 1 for the people that cant win at the other club or cant get ther own way just my thought on it totally agree longstone lad, the proper sporting whippet club is the only one as far as i know. the other is some idgit trying to start his own so that he can win all the time with his 'kc reg' whippet. why does this person not attend the sporting whippet club and offer opinions in it for a seperate papers only whippet race as well as open racing??? possibly coz they never win anything? and yet they 'represent' the whippet community apparently? there is no problem with the whippet racing as far as im concerned, while they are no kc reg only racing thats just life, whipeets can come in all different sizes and throwbacks so how can people tell if it is a pure breed or not?? BEEN HUNTER It is clear you don't know me, our you would know It was I and my wife the founded the sporting whippet club It was a spin off from a group (club} Robert Milligan started at the round tower Antrim he then introduced us to the owener at Dunsilly Kennals . In my time at the sporting whippet I tried in vain to have the club run a race for Peds and a race for those of non proven peds As a whippet owener I belive the blood lines and the breeding be kept as pure as possible ,When running non kc there is always the fear of someone pushing the boundries. Putting the event organiser in a no win situation of having to confront a person to get off the start line because there was a concern over the breeding of their dog.And as Janet rightly says whippets come in all shapes and sizes so to determine a ped be eye would be hard , How bad would it be if the owener turned up later in the day with papers for the dog concerned and was wrongly refused to race. The only proof of breeding is KC that is way the kennal club exists And DNA which to be honest I know very little about. So the way I see it it is either under 21 Whippet type {luchers}icluding whippets or kc whippets only . But this only my opinion Which ever way Matt & Co decides I WILL BE running my dogs and hoping for a good weather,And good luck too all that are racing . And well done to those in the master Mcgrath looking forward to what is going to be a good day Thanks to Albert Matt and folk that work so hard to make it all possible see you all there. SAMMY GUMS...... Some of what you say is true, but i still stick by what i think. you are 'trying' to run a club to suit yourself, not for others. there is a perfectly good whippet club in antrim that caters for all. any positive thinking you have you should give to the people who know what they are doing. the real question i want to know is how come ive seen you once this year, but you turn up at stormont to represent the good whippet folk???? surely it should have been for people who actually represent whippets on a weekly basis up and down the country, not a one time charlie? this was a major event and a priviledge that others deserved more than you. how many whippets do you have even? i feel very strongly about this as others will have seen the photos etc and they will get the wrong impression of you. john humpreys deserved to be there for what he and his dogs have done over the years, but im still scratching my head as to why you were allowed to go. roll on the next show to i see if you actually turn up and support what you preach? oh i forgot, its shanes next week so that will be your other show of the year im sure. you should support the small shows as well as the larger ones, same as you are our 'representitive' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alcamy22 7 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 when is shanes castle will some one pm me dates and rough directions coming from down south cheers lads Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bowersey 59 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) albert, there are two whippet racing clubs in ni, one just starting up and one runs racing in antrim, why dont you ask them people for advise. when you say take it up on the day,how when you dont have to take your dog with you to pay you could enter anything and the organisor wont want to know he wouldnt even give a rerun last year when the lure broke. 2 clubs i thought ther was only 1 is this another club to cause tension among the whippet people or is it 1 for the people that cant win at the other club or cant get ther own way just my thought on it totally agree longstone lad, the proper sporting whippet club is the only one as far as i know. the other is some idgit trying to start his own so that he can win all the time with his 'kc reg' whippet. why does this person not attend the sporting whippet club and offer opinions in it for a seperate papers only whippet race as well as open racing??? possibly coz they never win anything? and yet they 'represent' the whippet community apparently? there is no problem with the whippet racing as far as im concerned, while they are no kc reg only racing thats just life, whipeets can come in all different sizes and throwbacks so how can people tell if it is a pure breed or not?? BEEN HUNTER It is clear you don't know me, our you would know It was I and my wife the founded the sporting whippet club It was a spin off from a group (club} Robert Milligan started at the round tower Antrim he then introduced us to the owener at Dunsilly Kennals . In my time at the sporting whippet I tried in vain to have the club run a race for Peds and a race for those of non proven peds As a whippet owener I belive the blood lines and the breeding be kept as pure as possible ,When running non kc there is always the fear of someone pushing the boundries. Putting the event organiser in a no win situation of having to confront a person to get off the start line because there was a concern over the breeding of their dog.And as Janet rightly says whippets come in all shapes and sizes so to determine a ped be eye would be hard , How bad would it be if the owener turned up later in the day with papers for the dog concerned and was wrongly refused to race. The only proof of breeding is KC that is way the kennal club exists And DNA which to be honest I know very little about. So the way I see it it is either under 21 Whippet type {luchers}icluding whippets or kc whippets only . But this only my opinion Which ever way Matt & Co decides I WILL BE running my dogs and hoping for a good weather,And good luck too all that are racing . And well done to those in the master Mcgrath looking forward to what is going to be a good day Thanks to Albert Matt and folk that work so hard to make it all possible see you all there. SAMMY GUMS...... Some of what you say is true, but i still stick by what i think. you are 'trying' to run a club to suit yourself, not for others. there is a perfectly good whippet club in antrim that caters for all. any positive thinking you have you should give to the people who know what they are doing. the real question i want to know is how come ive seen you once this year, but you turn up at stormont to represent the good whippet folk???? surely it should have been for people who actually represent whippets on a weekly basis up and down the country, not a one time charlie? this was a major event and a priviledge that others deserved more than you. how many whippets do you have even? i feel very strongly about this as others will have seen the photos etc and they will get the wrong impression of you. john humpreys deserved to be there for what he and his dogs have done over the years, but im still scratching my head as to why you were allowed to go. roll on the next show to i see if you actually turn up and support what you preach? oh i forgot, its shanes next week so that will be your other show of the year im sure. you should support the small shows as well as the larger ones, same as you are our 'representitive' I do not attend the sporting whippet club as a matter of choice there was a differance of opion between me and the commitee But this is my choice not to support it. I do not drive and depend on my wife to take me to to shows we are limited to how long our Our Jonatan can sit in his wheel chair and it is hard to push him over rough and sometime muddy ground avoiding dog dirt. But this is our choice to go the shows we want to go to I Did'nt know there was a number of shows that we were expected to attend in the year since you are counting we have been to 2 Moria and Ballywalter. If you will be good enough to put YOUR MAME on to the next post I will be happy discuss what ever you like . And as for Stormont I was a guest there by invition I never claimed to be repsenting the whippet community. Edited June 17, 2011 by bowersey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 C'mon guys, I think this is a bit unfair to Sammy, with him, Lynda and Chris Johnny always comes first. This thread is not about personalities, it seems to me that in answer to the original poster the organisers need to state what dogs can run in the whippet championship at Shanes. Us getting into personal differences aint gonna sort this out! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
been hunter 8 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Sammy Not once have I mentioned anything about ur personal life so I'd prefer if we stuck to the topic of dogs and nothing else. Anyone who knows u knows ur situation and keeps it private.please don't come on to make me the bad guy, i merely started a debate with u as to some things I wanted to know. I do think there is no point in a kc reg whippet racing club and I stand by that because alot of good folk would miss out. Only a few would be left and who wants to win something like that? You were at Stormont to represent the whippets end of. Why would there only be a lurcher guy there and no mention of our fine breed?!! I wanted to know how u fit this bill when there are so many more dedicated people out there to the shows. I'm not questioning why u don't go to shows everyone has their own life to live, but u must admit there were better for that job. Back to the original topic, I have had trouble for the past few years with the breeding of my dogs and it nearly made me give it all up and stick to the live stuff. Just admit what ur dog is and let it win something fair and square. Let's get back to enjoying our sport rather than putting it down. The good genuine folk deserve this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leanne23 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 The only way to be sure is have it for KC registered whippets and you have to produce your papers when entering Most of the whippets that race in the north are KC registered cant see this being a problem in fact i would say most of the whippet folk would be all for it Have to agree with you low flyer, my own wee dog Paris is of whippet type but she is not a full whippet but maybe more whippet than most of them in the whippet racing, if you cant give the breeding of the dog, give the name of both parents, whos to say its a whippet, only the owner... I heard a rumour that Paris won the whippet racing at Florencecourt a few years ago............. But then won recently in the ring as a whippet/greyhound? I also hear a rumour of a dog that was run before as a lurcher now being run as a whippet? Whether or not it is a mistake of the owner (the dog is in fact a whippet apparently) you cannot just change the class of your dog when you feel like it. Be honest and run your dog for what it is, we are all meant to be decent people....hunt your dogs, not just trophies. (been hunter) i think u may be refering to my dog TYSON that has been raced as a under over the past few years. and now racing in the whippets.and yes my own fauilt for this but my reson for this is that i never new the [bANNED TEXT] breeding off this dog as i rescued him from a dump off a house. untill last year when the women from bangor putted me about the dog and it turns out she breed my dog tyson herself all i know is that he is barronsmore / laugna but if u want i could get the breeding for u to clear this up. but ill leave it up to all the people that runs shows and events to make there own mind up weather my dog should run as a whippet or not?.. and keeeping in mind that iam being open about this.. i dont want any s**t over it. leanne Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ant dog 1 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 C'mon guys, I think this is a bit unfair to Sammy, with him, Lynda and Chris Johnny always comes first. This thread is not about personalities, it seems to me that in answer to the original poster the organisers need to state what dogs can run in the whippet championship at Shanes. Us getting into personal differences aint gonna sort this out! well said lady jane sammy trys his best to get to most shows etc i think sammy is as good as [NO TEXT TALK] to go to stormount Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the low flyer 2 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 There are THREE types of Whippet in the UK as I see it ! There are the KC Show type whippet and the KC registered racing whippet, the bloodlines that have developed over the last 40 years. When I was a young lad starting off Whippet racing in the UK in the mid 70`s, all the racing dogs were show bred that went racing, but now a KC racing bloodline has developed. Then there is the non-pedigree whippet. I`m not talking the half bred scratch dogs over 35lbs at the lighter end of the scale, i`m talking whippets between 16-30lbs. These are what Bluebell (Paris) and myself (Mountcashel Ernie) own. They have pedigrees that go back to the `60`s and I consider genuine racing Whippets that have the slight build, but genuine speed and bloodlines that have deveolped down through yhe years. These dogs will always easily beat a KC whippet as Ernie did at Shanes Castle in 2007. I think he was probably the first racing bred Whippet here and being just 30lbs wasn`t out of place in the whippet class. I think there are not enough whippets in Ireland to form strong racing clubs, pity. People like to `show` their dogs then race them. The racing is a bit of a free-for-all up a field and nothing like what goes on in the UK, but as long as people enjoy it that`s what matters ! There is no non ped racing over here so that is why paris races in lurchers and ernie should have been likewise and any pups out of him should be entered as lurchers not whippets Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bowersey 59 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 C'mon guys, I think this is a bit unfair to Sammy, with him, Lynda and Chris Johnny always comes first. This thread is not about personalities, it seems to me that in answer to the original poster the organisers need to state what dogs can run in the whippet championship at Shanes. Us getting into personal differences aint gonna sort this out! well said lady jane sammy trys his best to get to most shows etc i think sammy is as good as [NO TEXT TALK] to go to stormount Thanks for the rplys Janet and Ant dog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leanne23 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 There are THREE types of Whippet in the UK as I see it ! There are the KC Show type whippet and the KC registered racing whippet, the bloodlines that have developed over the last 40 years. When I was a young lad starting off Whippet racing in the UK in the mid 70`s, all the racing dogs were show bred that went racing, but now a KC racing bloodline has developed. Then there is the non-pedigree whippet. I`m not talking the half bred scratch dogs over 35lbs at the lighter end of the scale, i`m talking whippets between 16-30lbs. These are what Bluebell (Paris) and myself (Mountcashel Ernie) own. They have pedigrees that go back to the `60`s and I consider genuine racing Whippets that have the slight build, but genuine speed and bloodlines that have deveolped down through yhe years. These dogs will always easily beat a KC whippet as Ernie did at Shanes Castle in 2007. I think he was probably the first racing bred Whippet here and being just 30lbs wasn`t out of place in the whippet class. I think there are not enough whippets in Ireland to form strong racing clubs, pity. People like to `show` their dogs then race them. The racing is a bit of a free-for-all up a field and nothing like what goes on in the UK, but as long as people enjoy it that`s what matters ! There is no non ped racing over here so that is why paris races in lurchers and ernie should have been likewise and any pups out of him should be entered as lurchers not whippets Quote Link to post Share on other sites
osprey39 0 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 So now we have the whippets sorted out bean-hunter what about wee greys been raced as lurchers ,what do you think of that ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
been hunter 8 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 And do u attend the shows then? Are you another representative? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
been hunter 8 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 So now we have the whippets sorted out bean-hunter what about wee greys been raced as lurchers ,what do you think of that ? Well now that's another thing!! We just can't everyone happy osprey. All we can ask is honesty from the whippet and lurcher folk at these shows. I have lurchers and am sick of people questioning them. Yes there is greyhound in them like most race breed dogs but there are not of full greyhound. Unlike these unmarked ones that are being run by certain folk who know who they are. All I would say is it will all come out in the wash and I'll have the biggest smile on my face when my race breed lurcher beats that coursing greyhound....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
osprey39 0 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) And do u attend the shows then? Are you another representative? yes I attend alot of shows no not a representative ,nor a ball licker but allways were told cheaters never really win So I race fair dont win much but enjoy the days crack, thats what its all about , but am not starting a club of my own up cause I cant win lol Roy Edited June 17, 2011 by osprey39 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leanne23 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 So now we have the whippets sorted out bean-hunter what about wee greys been raced as lurchers ,what do you think of that ? Well now that's another thing!! We just can't everyone happy osprey. All we can ask is honesty from the whippet and lurcher folk at these shows. I have lurchers and am sick of people questioning them. Yes there is greyhound in them like most race breed dogs but there are not of full greyhound. Unlike these unmarked ones that are being run by certain folk who know who they are. All I would say is it will all come out in the wash and I'll have the biggest smile on my face when my race breed lurcher beats that coursing greyhound....... name and shame Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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