speedy1234 5 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 what a joke whippets with papers lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
milliken 791 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 the whippet seen in ireland im afraid is go in down the same slippery road that terrier and lurchers have been going down for a while with that dogs more greyhound than whippet that dogs never seen a rabbit that dogs not kc reg and so on dont get me wrong there isnt anything more annoying than people telling your mate they dont work there dogs only to see them in the working whippet class but each to there own I set up the northern ireland working whippet club a few years ago now to promote the whippet as a working dog and bring the lads that work these wonderful dogs together over the summer months with a bit of showing racing a lure coursing a with the hope of seeing other peoples whippets work i tryed many times to get a lamping comp run over the winter months but it was not to be threw lack of intreste at the time that club sadly came to a end but a new club was born the sporting whippet club of norther ireland and from the little time ive spent at there showes i can say im very inpressed with everyone working together and doing there bit i think this club has done a great job bringing the whole whippet world together be it show,pet ,working or racing and they have my full support i would like to see a lot more of the working lads showing up the reason they are not showing up i dont as i say ive only been at to shows maybe there should kc reg racing as well as open racing for non kc whippets and whippets ONLY lure coursing for the working lads abit of hurdles and maybe try and run a lamping comp but thats for the club to deside all i can say is i wish them all the best and willhelp anyway i can robert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
been hunter 8 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 the whippet seen in ireland im afraid is go in down the same slippery road that terrier and lurchers have been going down for a while with that dogs more greyhound than whippet that dogs never seen a rabbit that dogs not kc reg and so on dont get me wrong there isnt anything more annoying than people telling your mate they dont work there dogs only to see them in the working whippet class but each to there own I set up the northern ireland working whippet club a few years ago now to promote the whippet as a working dog and bring the lads that work these wonderful dogs together over the summer months with a bit of showing racing a lure coursing a with the hope of seeing other peoples whippets work i tryed many times to get a lamping comp run over the winter months but it was not to be threw lack of intreste at the time that club sadly came to a end but a new club was born the sporting whippet club of norther ireland and from the little time ive spent at there showes i can say im very inpressed with everyone working together and doing there bit i think this club has done a great job bringing the whole whippet world together be it show,pet ,working or racing and they have my full support i would like to see a lot more of the working lads showing up the reason they are not showing up i dont as i say ive only been at to shows maybe there should kc reg racing as well as open racing for non kc whippets and whippets ONLY lure coursing for the working lads abit of hurdles and maybe try and run a lamping comp but thats for the club to deside all i can say is i wish them all the best and willhelp anyway i can robert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kegs 40 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 maybe not but surely the whippet judge for the showing should be able to tell if a particular dog or bitch put up to race is a whippet or not.see yous there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bowersey 59 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) what a joke whippets with papers lol [/quote) speedy1234 Don't get the joke, inlighten us Edited June 16, 2011 by bowersey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 There would appear to be an undercurrent of dissatisfaction amongst those who race and show pure bred, not necessarily KC reg, whippets, regarding the breeding of certain dogs being raced. There is no easy answer to this, but what the organisers of these events need to take on board is that the whippet is a breed, not a type. It is a breed that comes in many colours, shapes and sizes, but to my mind there are two things that set the non peds apart from pure breds, coat and speed. Whippets are getting very popular at the minute, and it would be a pity if dissatisfaction spoiled the day for everyone, but unless organisers start to realise the depth of feeling amongst the whippet folk, they'll be the ones losing out, because personally I'd rather race and show at the Sporting Whippet Club, where we run under rules and non of the type of arguments that seem to be brewing on here arise. Janet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 There are THREE types of Whippet in the UK as I see it ! There are the KC Show type whippet and the KC registered racing whippet, the bloodlines that have developed over the last 40 years. When I was a young lad starting off Whippet racing in the UK in the mid 70`s, all the racing dogs were show bred that went racing, but now a KC racing bloodline has developed. Then there is the non-pedigree whippet. I`m not talking the half bred scratch dogs over 35lbs at the lighter end of the scale, i`m talking whippets between 16-30lbs. These are what Bluebell (Paris) and myself (Mountcashel Ernie) own. They have pedigrees that go back to the `60`s and I consider genuine racing Whippets that have the slight build, but genuine speed and bloodlines that have deveolped down through yhe years. These dogs will always easily beat a KC whippet as Ernie did at Shanes Castle in 2007. I think he was probably the first racing bred Whippet here and being just 30lbs wasn`t out of place in the whippet class. I think there are not enough whippets in Ireland to form strong racing clubs, pity. People like to `show` their dogs then race them. The racing is a bit of a free-for-all up a field and nothing like what goes on in the UK, but as long as people enjoy it that`s what matters ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 With all due respect Martin, Paris and Ernie may have pedigrees that go back to the 60's, but are you saying that all dogs in those pedigrees were whippets? I think not, by Paris's owners own admission she is a NON ped, that in my eyes means they are not pure bred whippets. This is the very argument that this thread is all about, and probably the question we should be asking is this, is the All Ireland Whippet racing championship for pure whippets or non peds? The answer to that will decide who enters and who doesn't. And for your info, the Sporting Whippet club racing is not a free for all up a field, it's straight racing over pre determined distances, in a controlled safe environment. Janet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Here is Ernies pedigree for all to see. http://www.k9community.co.uk/cgi-bin/nonped/geneal.pl?op=tree&index=2221&gens=5&db=nonped.dbw Yes a bit of greyhound blood in him, that is why he is a non-pedigree racing whippet ! This type of racing is the main type of whippet racing in the UK. Personally, I think anything over the 35lbs is becoming more greyhound than whippet. Everyone to their own. I`ve had both and the pedigree KC whippet is very inferior speed wise compared to the racing bred whippet of similar size/weight. You are to be commended for starting up a racing club and I wish you well with it. Are you running from traps yet and if so are they scratch or yard/pound, also what distances are you running over ? It`s up to the organisers at these events to deem what is a whippet. I reckon I could bring a little 18lbs `whippet` over from the UK that would run away from any KC whippet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paddybarr 77 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 There are THREE types of Whippet in the UK as I see it ! There are the KC Show type whippet and the KC registered racing whippet, the bloodlines that have developed over the last 40 years. When I was a young lad starting off Whippet racing in the UK in the mid 70`s, all the racing dogs were show bred that went racing, but now a KC racing bloodline has developed. Then there is the non-pedigree whippet. I`m not talking the half bred scratch dogs over 35lbs at the lighter end of the scale, i`m talking whippets between 16-30lbs. These are what Bluebell (Paris) and myself (Mountcashel Ernie) own. They have pedigrees that go back to the `60`s and I consider genuine racing Whippets that have the slight build, but genuine speed and bloodlines that have deveolped down through yhe years. These dogs will always easily beat a KC whippet as Ernie did at Shanes Castle in 2007. I think he was probably the first racing bred Whippet here and being just 30lbs wasn`t out of place in the whippet class. I think there are not enough whippets in Ireland to form strong racing clubs, pity. People like to `show` their dogs then race them. The racing is a bit of a free-for-all up a field and nothing like what goes on in the UK, but as long as people enjoy it that`s what matters ! , bit skewed with your assumtions Martin, there is KC Whippet racing and non ped, KC are guaranteed 100 percentage bona fide whippets non ped may "look"like whippets but as you pointed out- "These dogs will always easily beat a KC whippet" why? because they are not "true" whippets they are a mix generally with greyhound making them faster i imagine thats why there is some discord amongst the irish racers and quite rightly so if they own KC whippets they should be racing whippets not something that has a distinct advantage over them, I would say the way forward is whippets race whippets non peds go into the lurcher racing, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin Tucker 23 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I agree whippets to race whippets as the non-peds have a distinct advantage over them ! I`m not questioning that they are not pure blood whippets, but they are `classed` as racing bred `whippets`. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longstone lad 1 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 think the last few posts sums things up folks now its up to the people running the shows to sort it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
been hunter 8 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 The only way to be sure is have it for KC registered whippets and you have to produce your papers when entering Most of the whippets that race in the north are KC registered cant see this being a problem in fact i would say most of the whippet folk would be all for it Have to agree with you low flyer, my own wee dog Paris is of whippet type but she is not a full whippet but maybe more whippet than most of them in the whippet racing, if you cant give the breeding of the dog, give the name of both parents, whos to say its a whippet, only the owner... I heard a rumour that Paris won the whippet racing at Florencecourt a few years ago............. But then won recently in the ring as a whippet/greyhound? I also hear a rumour of a dog that was run before as a lurcher now being run as a whippet? Whether or not it is a mistake of the owner (the dog is in fact a whippet apparently) you cannot just change the class of your dog when you feel like it. Be honest and run your dog for what it is, we are all meant to be decent people....hunt your dogs, not just trophies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bowersey 59 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 albert, there are two whippet racing clubs in ni, one just starting up and one runs racing in antrim, why dont you ask them people for advise. when you say take it up on the day,how when you dont have to take your dog with you to pay you could enter anything and the organisor wont want to know he wouldnt even give a rerun last year when the lure broke. 2 clubs i thought ther was only 1 is this another club to cause tension among the whippet people or is it 1 for the people that cant win at the other club or cant get ther own way just my thought on it totally agree longstone lad, the proper sporting whippet club is the only one as far as i know. the other is some idgit trying to start his own so that he can win all the time with his 'kc reg' whippet. why does this person not attend the sporting whippet club and offer opinions in it for a seperate papers only whippet race as well as open racing??? possibly coz they never win anything? and yet they 'represent' the whippet community apparently? there is no problem with the whippet racing as far as im concerned, while they are no kc reg only racing thats just life, whipeets can come in all different sizes and throwbacks so how can people tell if it is a pure breed or not?? BEEN HUNTER It is clear you don't know me, our you would know It was I and my wife the founded the sporting whippet club It was a spin off from a group (club} Robert Milligan started at the round tower Antrim he then introduced us to the owener at Dunsilly Kennals . In my time at the sporting whippet I tried in vain to have the club run a race for Peds and a race for those of non proven peds As a whippet owener I belive the blood lines and the breeding be kept as pure as possible ,When running non kc there is always the fear of someone pushing the boundries. Putting the event organiser in a no win situation of having to confront a person to get off the start line because there was a concern over the breeding of their dog.And as Janet rightly says whippets come in all shapes and sizes so to determine a ped be eye would be hard , How bad would it be if the owener turned up later in the day with papers for the dog concerned and was wrongly refused to race. The only proof of breeding is KC that is way the kennal club exists And DNA which to be honest I know very little about. So the way I see it it is either under 21 Whippet type {luchers}icluding whippets or kc whippets only . But this only my opinion Which ever way Matt & Co decides I WILL BE running my dogs and hoping for a good weather,And good luck too all that are racing . And well done to those in the master Mcgrath looking forward to what is going to be a good day Thanks to Albert Matt and folk that work so hard to make it all possible see you all there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzam 239 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) There have been non ped pups brought in from England with a fair amount of greyhound blood in them. These pups didn't make anywhere near 23" in height and to be truthful couldn't compete with the dogs that were winning the under 23" racing, sorry if that offends anyone, but its the truth. The owners of these dogs ought to know better than to race them with the whippets, but then again it's an easy rossette. THESE NON PEDS/LURCHERS SHOULDN'T BE RACED WITH THE WHIPPETS. When greyhounds are mated to whippets and non ped whippets the pups can be all sorts of heights and weights. If there were enough dogs maybe its time to have another class for the smaller lurchers. Until there is a class for the small non peds/lurchers the owners with the smaller dogs are up against it racing against bigger and more powerful non peds/lurchers. For me the whippet racing should be full whippets either kc registered or not. It's up to the honesty and integrity of the owners. Edited June 17, 2011 by Dazzam Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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