breeding from a failure

[hedz31 1,308]

Right due to the argumentative topic that most have proberly read, i would like to try and get some honest views on what folks keep in there kennels and what they have bred from,do folks out there think that it is possible to have a terrier never fail, i am finding it really hard to belive that everybody on here has never had a terrier not fail if so honestly how many of ye have bred from dogs that have failed ?? surely if its impossible like some folk like to think that would mean every current terrier in the uk is bred out of stock that has somewhere in its career failed ,surely if a young terrier is entered correctly and built up to a decent working animal by the age of 3 or 4 then worked hard for another few years without a failure is possible,i aint talking dropping a 1 or 2 season dog in a well known hard place and expecting miracles then culling the bugger when it fails either which i am sure folks think thats what i do,so honestly how many folks out there have bred from terriers that have failed and have faults ??

[Dunkanon 380]

  On 13/06/2011 at 08:55, hedz31 said:

Right due to the argumentative topic that most have proberly read, i would like to try and get some honest views on what folks keep in there kennels and what they have bred from,do folks out there think that it is possible to have a terrier never fail, i am finding it really hard to belive that everybody on here has never had a terrier not fail if so honestly how many of ye have bred from dogs that have failed ?? surely if its impossible like some folk like to think that would mean every current terrier in the uk is bred out of stock that has somewhere in its career failed ,surely if a young terrier is entered correctly and built up to a decent working animal by the age of 3 or 4 then worked hard for another few years without a failure is possible,i aint talking dropping a 1 or 2 season dog in a well known hard place and expecting miracles then culling the bugger when it fails either which i am sure folks think thats what i do,so honestly how many folks out there have bred from terriers that have failed and have faults ??

 

never bred a dog ever, but I do know lads that have bred dogs and have stock off of dogs that in my eyes failed on the job. Their choice but wouldnt be mine.

[hedz31 1,308]

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:13, Dunkanon said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 08:55, hedz31 said:

Right due to the argumentative topic that most have proberly read, i would like to try and get some honest views on what folks keep in there kennels and what they have bred from,do folks out there think that it is possible to have a terrier never fail, i am finding it really hard to belive that everybody on here has never had a terrier not fail if so honestly how many of ye have bred from dogs that have failed ?? surely if its impossible like some folk like to think that would mean every current terrier in the uk is bred out of stock that has somewhere in its career failed ,surely if a young terrier is entered correctly and built up to a decent working animal by the age of 3 or 4 then worked hard for another few years without a failure is possible,i aint talking dropping a 1 or 2 season dog in a well known hard place and expecting miracles then culling the bugger when it fails either which i am sure folks think thats what i do,so honestly how many folks out there have bred from terriers that have failed and have faults ??

 

never bred a dog ever, but I do know lads that have bred dogs and have stock off of dogs that in my eyes failed on the job. Their choice but wouldnt be mine.

Fair comment fella

[fidodido 30]

didnt get chance to breed off the last bitch i had it didnt fail just had to be pts through a paticularly hard fox every 1 has diffrent ideas on what a failure is to me a bayer isnt a failure but a hard dog that jacks is every terriers diffrent

[hedz31 1,308]

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:44, fidodido said:

didnt get chance to breed off the last bitch i had it didnt fail just had to be pts through a paticularly hard fox every 1 has diffrent ideas on what a failure is to me a bayer isnt a failure but a hard dog that jacks is every terriers diffrent

Fair comment now whats ye thoughts on a dog thats never failed ye think myth or possible ??how would ye feel about buying or fetching a dog of someone if they said it had walked, had to have more than 1 hole dug to it, struggled to find ,got bossed about regular,cant get up to some quarry and think it could of tried harder would ye take the pup ???

[fidodido 30]

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:50, hedz31 said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:44, fidodido said:

didnt get chance to breed off the last bitch i had it didnt fail just had to be pts through a paticularly hard fox every 1 has diffrent ideas on what a failure is to me a bayer isnt a failure but a hard dog that jacks is every terriers diffrent

Fair comment now whats ye thoughts on a dog thats never failed ye think myth or possible ??how would ye feel about buying or fetching a dog of someone if they said it had walked, had to have more than 1 hole dug to it, struggled to find ,got bossed about regular,cant get up to some quarry and think it could of tried harder would ye take the pup ???

no mate i wouldnt buy a pup mate but if the dog was a strong an struggled in tight places then thats diffrent long as once up to quarry it didnt walk then yes id take a pup sometimes you need diffrent terriers for diffrent situations and settes

[hedz31 1,308]

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:57, fidodido said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:50, hedz31 said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:44, fidodido said:

didnt get chance to breed off the last bitch i had it didnt fail just had to be pts through a paticularly hard fox every 1 has diffrent ideas on what a failure is to me a bayer isnt a failure but a hard dog that jacks is every terriers diffrent

Fair comment now whats ye thoughts on a dog thats never failed ye think myth or possible ??how would ye feel about buying or fetching a dog of someone if they said it had walked, had to have more than 1 hole dug to it, struggled to find ,got bossed about regular,cant get up to some quarry and think it could of tried harder would ye take the pup ???

no mate i wouldnt buy a pup mate but if the dog was a strong an struggled in tight places then thats diffrent long as once up to quarry it didnt walk then yes id take a pup sometimes you need diffrent terriers for diffrent situations and settes

if the dog is to big and its impossible thats fair enough that aint a fail so long as the dog was trying its goddam best which if ye dig enough times ye know when a dogs trying and when its half hearted a half hearted dog to me is a fail would ye ever breed from a dog thats out and out failed ?

[fidodido 30]

  On 13/06/2011 at 10:02, hedz31 said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:57, fidodido said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:50, hedz31 said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:44, fidodido said:

didnt get chance to breed off the last bitch i had it didnt fail just had to be pts through a paticularly hard fox every 1 has diffrent ideas on what a failure is to me a bayer isnt a failure but a hard dog that jacks is every terriers diffrent

Fair comment now whats ye thoughts on a dog thats never failed ye think myth or possible ??how would ye feel about buying or fetching a dog of someone if they said it had walked, had to have more than 1 hole dug to it, struggled to find ,got bossed about regular,cant get up to some quarry and think it could of tried harder would ye take the pup ???

no mate i wouldnt buy a pup mate but if the dog was a strong an struggled in tight places then thats diffrent long as once up to quarry it didnt walk then yes id take a pup sometimes you need diffrent terriers for diffrent situations and settes

if the dog is to big and its impossible thats fair enough that aint a fail so long as the dog was trying its goddam best which if ye dig enough times ye know when a dogs trying and when its half hearted a half hearted dog to me is a fail would ye ever breed from a dog thats out and out failed ?

nope defo not

[hedz31 1,308]

  On 13/06/2011 at 10:07, fidodido said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 10:02, hedz31 said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:57, fidodido said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:50, hedz31 said:

  On 13/06/2011 at 09:44, fidodido said:

didnt get chance to breed off the last bitch i had it didnt fail just had to be pts through a paticularly hard fox every 1 has diffrent ideas on what a failure is to me a bayer isnt a failure but a hard dog that jacks is every terriers diffrent

Fair comment now whats ye thoughts on a dog thats never failed ye think myth or possible ??how would ye feel about buying or fetching a dog of someone if they said it had walked, had to have more than 1 hole dug to it, struggled to find ,got bossed about regular,cant get up to some quarry and think it could of tried harder would ye take the pup ???

no mate i wouldnt buy a pup mate but if the dog was a strong an struggled in tight places then thats diffrent long as once up to quarry it didnt walk then yes id take a pup sometimes you need diffrent terriers for diffrent situations and settes

if the dog is to big and its impossible thats fair enough that aint a fail so long as the dog was trying its goddam best which if ye dig enough times ye know when a dogs trying and when its half hearted a half hearted dog to me is a fail would ye ever breed from a dog thats out and out failed ?

nope defo not

Thank you and i know lots of folks out there feel the same and have bred of dogs that have not failed thats why i am so confused to why folks think they are a myth to me they aint owned or bred a good dog then just because they aint dont make it untrue

[Butler 396]

There is a big diffrence between failing at a dig and a dog quiting so the short answer is yes i would breed from a dog that has failed. But not from one that has failed to make the grade, many dogs out there are bred from before they have been given enough chances to quit and to me that is the real problem.

[Waz 4,274]

  On 13/06/2011 at 10:30, Butler said:

There is a big diffrence between failing at a dig and a dog quiting so the short answer is yes i would breed from a dog that has failed. But not from one that has failed to make the grade, many dogs out there are bred from before they have been given enough chances to quit and to me that is the real problem.

 

Kinda agree with that. Hearing about lots of dogs being bred from at a year old over here

[TOPPER 1,809]

everybody that breeds will have bred a failure or they havent been breeding long enough, but in todays world i feel a lot of lads are impatient and want miricles but i am afraid it just dont happen and as butler said many dogs are bred from before they get the chance to fail theres lots of reasons for breeding a dog but they should be proven dogs and dogs that have made the grade ,many dog s just don t get out enough if they live for 10 years they proberbly havent seen 10 foxes but then do you blame the dog or the owner it may be a good keen dog that never gets the chance you just have to be honest with yourselve and others as bullshitters are allways found out sooner or later

[PatterJack 11]

Ive never bred a dog myself, but like has been said it depends what you class as failing. I personally think every terrier has its off day. They arnt machines. It wouldnt put me off having a pup from parents that i know had 'failed' once. But if it was a regular thing then in my eyes its a shit terrier and should not be bred off. Its down to each person wether they cull a dog or not for failing, but as for breeding, i believe only terriers that are truely worthy of breeding should be considered! Too many people have an average dog and want to breed from it. Wether that is to start off some sort of line/name for themselves i dont know.

[scent 509]

straight up pal iv never had a bitch that was good enough to breed off ,im my eyes if a bitch aint good enough to breed off then she is obviously not up to scratch work wise so shouldn be kept in the kennell

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Listen sugartits there aint a dog alive that won't fail given enough pressure.

It is 100 percent at the owners discression whether he allows it to hapen or not.

 

If you believe otherwise you have the worst case of black dog syndrome I have seen.

 

Yo may fool the plebs on here but some of us have a brain in our head.

 

Please don't hold a grudge against me and troll about looking for me. Could do without the aggro and have bigger concerns.

 

Over and out.

 

FTB