mangy1983 51 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 http://www.highland-news.co.uk/News/Sleeping-gamekeeper-fined-over-guns-on-table-31052011.htm Quote Link to post
JamesK 2 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 http://www.highland-news.co.uk/News/Sleeping-gamekeeper-fined-over-guns-on-table-31052011.htm Actually i fully agree with the police, if you arn't able to keep firearms with the utmost care and responsibility you shouldn't own them, i bet his kitchen door was unlocked as well, anyone could have saw them through the windows and grabbed them. It's idiots like him who give shooters who follow all the rules to the letter a bad name. Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Had he been awake and the guns in front of him on the table, then fine it would be an overreaction. The fact that he is asleep and they are left on open display with easy access should anyone be walking by is quite frankly unacceptable. Not difficult to put them away is it. Quote Link to post
irishnut 297 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 don't know about yourself, but i don't have police calling by my door much. kitchen table isn't the place for guns, while you snooze. getting lazy with firearms is exactly how incidents occur. Quote Link to post
madmackie 11 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I fully agree i never leave my guns out always clean them the minute i get in then lock them away this should be done as a matter of course by everyone who holds a licence Quote Link to post
mangy1983 51 Posted June 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I suppose if he fell asleep with the intention of falling asleep and left the guns on the table then it is fair do's but l have sat in a chair before after a heavy day at work with the intention of doing something seated (not gun related) and woken up 40 odd minutes later groggy as h311 after falling asleep unintentionally! This is the kind of scenario lm wondering might have happened which if it was is just plain bad luck. Perhaps there is more to the story? cheer Callum Quote Link to post
shepp 2,285 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) In a world of common sence and fairness the copper would have given the bloke a bloody good bollocking and told him the consequences if anything like that ever happened again. Considering the bloke would loose his job and no doubt his home, which wouuld'nt take much working out. Unfortunatly we no longer live in that world and the police are just a bunch of box ticking drones void of common sence or disgression. By the way, I don't even leave my air rifles laying around so don't think I don't agree it was a daft thing to do. Andy Edited June 11, 2011 by shepp Quote Link to post
vitalspark 4 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I fully agree i never leave my guns out always clean them the minute i get in then lock them away this should be done as a matter of course by everyone who holds a licence It's not always possible to do this if you've come in from shooting in cold weather (most of the year in Scotland). The gun needs to be allowed to come back to room temperature (out of sight and action removed of course), before storing, to prevent issues with condensation Quote Link to post
HUnter_zero 58 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Difficult one this. We are all human, we all make silly mistakes but how many of us can honestly say with hand on heart that after a cold wet days shooting, the first thing we do is clean the gun and put it straight back in to a cabinet, my guess is no one! In the first instance, putting a cold gun back in to a warm cabinet is a recipe for disaster at any rate. In the second, most rifle shooters like to let the barrel soak over night. Did the keeper remove the bolt on the rifle? The forend on the shotgun? Are we really seeing all the facts, was it that he had put the guns on the table and cleaned the guns, leaving them to reach room temp before storage. Who knows. Bottom line is that the police had cause for concern, which is sufficient warning to the guilty amongst us. John Quote Link to post
mangy1983 51 Posted June 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I fully agree i never leave my guns out always clean them the minute i get in then lock them away this should be done as a matter of course by everyone who holds a licence It's not always possible to do this if you've come in from shooting in cold weather (most of the year in Scotland). The gun needs to be allowed to come back to room temperature (out of sight and action removed of course), before storing, to prevent issues with condensation Noticed your also from the Western Isles mate Whereabouts do you shoot? cheers Callum Quote Link to post
pestcontrol121 11 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Someone must have reported this to the police as i can't see them walking pass and saying look a bloke asleep with a gun lets walk in and nick him. More to this than meets the eye i think at the end of the day he is still wrong and was breaking the firearms law. Quote Link to post
vitalspark 4 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I fully agree i never leave my guns out always clean them the minute i get in then lock them away this should be done as a matter of course by everyone who holds a licence It's not always possible to do this if you've come in from shooting in cold weather (most of the year in Scotland). The gun needs to be allowed to come back to room temperature (out of sight and action removed of course), before storing, to prevent issues with condensation Noticed your also from the Western Isles mate Whereabouts do you shoot? cheers Callum Hi Callum Just shoot on the croft but it's an interesting and very safe 14 acres or so. Had a serious rabbit problem last year but under control (for now). Bob Quote Link to post
whippeter69 88 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Theres is nothing wrong with what the police have done here. Its a duty for all shotgun/rifle certificate owners to lock up their guns when not in use. If they arnt being used/cleaned or repaired then they must be in the owners safe out of the reach of criminals or thieves. He should have known better! Quote Link to post
COMPO 54 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I will be interested to see what the final outcome is........will he get to keep his certificates and his job etc...? He did wrong but i agree that the circumstances of him falling asleep have a massive bearing..........as stated if he fell off whilst sat contemplating cleaning them thats different to thinking i will have an hour then clean them......if I had been the person (polcie or not) to find him and them like that i would have given hima severe bollocking and made him sort them out..... sadly as has also been stated the police aren't allowed to use discretion anymore and have to report everything.....there was a time in the not so distant past that more rollockings were given and people made to apologise and make right Quote Link to post
scalesntails 118 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I'm in the middle. People doze off it happens but firearms are dangerous in the hands of the wrong people. To be honest I think there's more to this story than we have told. Why were the police there in the first place? Quote Link to post
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