WILF 46,585 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 what do you mean the kids who know nothing of what they stand for What dont you understand mate?? these kids 18-19 havnt a clue about life and IMO are being used, far to young to be going into battle, kids today are a lot less imature, this is no age to make decisions in battle. What about an apprenteship, learn a trade then be at the back untill your competant, i just watch a 19 year old boy shot as the pointing man, aged fooking 19 thats how old my boy is and i wouldnt trust him to paint his fookin room on his own JMO. Oil has a price, young chavvy kids (how much they worth?) ATB D Bulldoug, I may be all the things you say I am, thats no bother, but read your post again and you behave yourself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest john5 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 so i guess while he is on leave he goes round pulling peoples eyes out to get HIS point accross Nope, he gets laid and jumps out of planes he is an inspiration to us all then Which is more than can be said for the armchair commentators undermining our soldiers by suggesting they are anything less than professional men doing the job they were trained to do to the very best of their ability, and doing it to make a real difference on the ground which they see daily. armchair commentators ! and your seated on the town hall flag pole i bet , 18 and 19 year old BOYS doing what they are told ,being lied to about there welfare by senior NCO's and offiers who ambitions seem to be gaining a place in politics at a later date as for them doing a proffesional job nobody is saying anything any different , the whole point is "heart felt sympathy for the poor little sods" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I see whats being said, that shit will make or break a man for sure. My point is, these lads had no trust in messages being sent back, they knew very little difference from a game to reality. If these lads had been gradually show frontline amongst senior soldiers then they would be much better equiped. I HAVE NO DOUBT WE HAVE SOME OF THE FINEST IN THE WORLD, JUST UPSETS ME SEEING OUR YOUNG MEN ON THE FRONT LINE UNPREPARED. you dont have a clue what your talking about. why comment about something so close to the bone to so many people when your entire knowledge comes from a helmet cam that you seen on t.v? So wheres all the posts explaining my questions then mate, apart from the insults from some mouthy cockney wide boy nobody else is filling me with confidence that these boys are being looked after. Your telling me i know nothing?? your as ignorant as that mouthy cockey c**t. ATB DOUGIE you dont have a f****n scooby thats blatantly obvious,if you really want to know join any infantry regiment thats deploying soon and all your questions will be answered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,585 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 "heart felt sympathy for the poor little sods" And I am pretty positive most of them would tell people to shove their sympathy up their arse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest john5 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 "heart felt sympathy for the poor little sods" And I am pretty positive most of them would tell people to shove their sympathy up their arse well i am hoping they are not as ignorant as you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BULLDOUG 199 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I see whats being said, that shit will make or break a man for sure. My point is, these lads had no trust in messages being sent back, they knew very little difference from a game to reality. If these lads had been gradually show frontline amongst senior soldiers then they would be much better equiped. I HAVE NO DOUBT WE HAVE SOME OF THE FINEST IN THE WORLD, JUST UPSETS ME SEEING OUR YOUNG MEN ON THE FRONT LINE UNPREPARED. you dont have a clue what your talking about. why comment about something so close to the bone to so many people when your entire knowledge comes from a helmet cam that you seen on t.v? So wheres all the posts explaining my questions then mate, apart from the insults from some mouthy cockney wide boy nobody else is filling me with confidence that these boys are being looked after. Your telling me i know nothing?? your as ignorant as that mouthy cockey c**t. ATB DOUGIE you dont have a f****n scooby thats blatantly obvious,if you really want to know join any infantry regiment thats deploying soon and all your questions will be answered. And by your post you clearly indicate to me that you have no answer for my questions, so until someone can give me a real answer as to how our boys can have learned enough about combat by the age of 18 to hit the frontline i will stick to my veiws. ATB D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,862 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 just watched it rather them than me, very brave young men .And nobody knows how you will react when you are under (real) fire , and you see a mate hurt or death. It brought it home to me, they might be young lads when go there, but they come back men. I AM 58 and got a son 24, and he as just left Brum Uni, and he as got some jobs lined up . But if he had wanted to be a soldier of today, it would hell of a worry for any parent, thank feck he didnt.!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I see whats being said, that shit will make or break a man for sure. My point is, these lads had no trust in messages being sent back, they knew very little difference from a game to reality. If these lads had been gradually show frontline amongst senior soldiers then they would be much better equiped. I HAVE NO DOUBT WE HAVE SOME OF THE FINEST IN THE WORLD, JUST UPSETS ME SEEING OUR YOUNG MEN ON THE FRONT LINE UNPREPARED. you dont have a clue what your talking about. why comment about something so close to the bone to so many people when your entire knowledge comes from a helmet cam that you seen on t.v? So wheres all the posts explaining my questions then mate, apart from the insults from some mouthy cockney wide boy nobody else is filling me with confidence that these boys are being looked after. Your telling me i know nothing?? your as ignorant as that mouthy cockey c**t. ATB DOUGIE you dont have a f****n scooby thats blatantly obvious,if you really want to know join any infantry regiment thats deploying soon and all your questions will be answered. And by your post you clearly indicate to me that you have no answer for my questions, so until someone can give me a real answer as to how our boys can have learned enough about combat by the age of 18 to hit the frontline i will stick to my veiws. ATB D by practicing drills and skills in the months leading to deployment so they become second nature,no matter how good you are it doesnt change the fact 'no plan survives first contact'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BULLDOUG 199 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I see whats being said, that shit will make or break a man for sure. My point is, these lads had no trust in messages being sent back, they knew very little difference from a game to reality. If these lads had been gradually show frontline amongst senior soldiers then they would be much better equiped. I HAVE NO DOUBT WE HAVE SOME OF THE FINEST IN THE WORLD, JUST UPSETS ME SEEING OUR YOUNG MEN ON THE FRONT LINE UNPREPARED. you dont have a clue what your talking about. why comment about something so close to the bone to so many people when your entire knowledge comes from a helmet cam that you seen on t.v? So wheres all the posts explaining my questions then mate, apart from the insults from some mouthy cockney wide boy nobody else is filling me with confidence that these boys are being looked after. Your telling me i know nothing?? your as ignorant as that mouthy cockey c**t. ATB DOUGIE you dont have a f****n scooby thats blatantly obvious,if you really want to know join any infantry regiment thats deploying soon and all your questions will be answered. And by your post you clearly indicate to me that you have no answer for my questions, so until someone can give me a real answer as to how our boys can have learned enough about combat by the age of 18 to hit the frontline i will stick to my veiws. ATB D by practicing drills and skills in the months leading to deployment so they become second nature,no matter how good you are it doesnt change the fact 'no plan survives first contact'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest john5 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 it would be interesting to know just how many of those young lads joined hoping they would not be deployed to afganistan and to have some other posting also i wonder how many were lied to by the recruting officers we can only hope that no more are killed and injured and that they return safely home Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 it would be interesting to know just how many of those young lads joined hoping they would not be deployed to afganistan and to have some other posting also i wonder how many were lied to by the recruting officers we can only hope that no more are killed and injured and that they return safely home BIZARE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 it would be interesting to know just how many of those young lads joined hoping they would not be deployed to afganistan and to have some other posting also i wonder how many were lied to by the recruting officers we can only hope that no more are killed and injured and that they return safely home Many join up hoping to see action, you come across as a bit deluded. Soldiers really hate your type of sentimentality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest john5 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 it would be interesting to know just how many of those young lads joined hoping they would not be deployed to afganistan and to have some other posting also i wonder how many were lied to by the recruting officers we can only hope that no more are killed and injured and that they return safely home Many join up hoping to see action, you come across as a bit deluded. Soldiers really hate your type of sentimentality. hoping to see action and me being deluded why do so many have post traumatic stress syndrome?, why are so many homeless and cannot fit back in with society ? if sentiment had its proper place then they would not even be there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GET THEM OUT (.)(.) 39 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 very brave men , am 20 years of age, for the last 5 years i have f****d about with life doing some real stupid things to myself and others. . . watching them lads out there doing that put a whole lot of things into perspective for me. atb, G,T,O Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BULLDOUG 199 Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 it would be interesting to know just how many of those young lads joined hoping they would not be deployed to afganistan and to have some other posting also i wonder how many were lied to by the recruting officers we can only hope that no more are killed and injured and that they return safely home Many join up hoping to see action, you come across as a bit deluded. Soldiers really hate your type of sentimentality. hoping to see action and me being deluded why do so many have post traumatic stress syndrome?, why are so many homeless and cannot fit back in with society ? if sentiment had its proper place then they would not even be there I thought the same when i read Birds post, they go boys and come back men. Sad reality is they often come back homeless men with nobody there to tell them to jump, thats if theyve legs left. Still no valid explanation how these boys can be ready for the front line at 18-19 when you cant even join til then 18. Training in fitness, drills, guns stripping servicing, hand combat (there guns have bad reputations of packing up. Another point i would like to make, when the corperal (now searg) went to help the kid who had been shot, he swaped his rifle for the kids heavy machine gun, IMO if the corperal had been in pointing posistion with the heavy machine gun leading his section he may of got all his kids back. They admitted not even having basic first aid training, maybe to busy with all these drills that see them in such good stead. ATB Dougie, (Father of two) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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