Alsone 789 Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) On 22/05/2013 at 20:29, delswal said: rabbits at 15ft shot with a 11.96 ft lb betwen the eyes and it never killed them ???? Moral of the story, air guns are marginal as killing tools for rabbit sized targets at non FAC (your words) heres my words ........." your full of bull " ......try stamp collecting ...."IDIOT" No I'm not full of bull. They were shot from a vehicle in a field and never moved away from the vehicle, hence the close distances involved. As for the injuries, in each case the pointed 30 grain hunting pellet had entered the skull and the rabbit was there alive. In each case I had to get out of the vehicle, reload and shoot it again in the head from point blank. As soon as I realised it wasn't a fluke or bad luck but a genuine issue with the weapon I stopped shooting so as to avoid causing any further suffering to anything. I have no desire to shoot anything in a manner that doesn't cause instant death. The result from each of these shots was totally unexpected as I expected from close range with a heavy pellet death would be instantaneous. I have been shooting myself on and off, for around 30 years albeit this is the 1st time I've taken an air rifle hunting. I hold a SC. My friend who was with me is very experienced - he has a pre-charged air rifle, 3 shot guns, .22LR, .223, .30-06 all on completely open tickets. He also commented on the apparent problems and this in turn triggered me to get the gun chrono'ed at the local gunshop. When it showed 11.9ft lbs at the gunshop, I sold the gun, albeit I now accept the ammo was probably to blame. I can only put it down to lack of velocity due to the pellet weight although you would think the heavier weight would have caused a greater hit from such close range. All in all, I had the gun for less than 1 week because of that as I'm not prepared to cause injury to anything, hence the reason I sold. Given what others have said, I put it down to pellet choice now rather than the gun, albeit a 30 grain hunting pellet seeemed a good choice at the time. Maybe the gun shop should have advised better on pellet choice. Either way, I did the responsible thing. Edited April 25, 2021 by Alsone Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) This was the air rile concerned and despite reported recent problems with these, mine did make 11.9ft lbs on the chrono (it's probably 10 years now since the incident): http://www.johnforsey.co.uk/agwprecharged_gunpower_stealth.html ..and yep the bottle was fully charged so it definately came down to the pellet choice so far as I can tell. Edited May 23, 2013 by Alsone Quote Link to post
Peter Shorrock 5 Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Try R&W Super H pellets. Worked with me. Can be bought at most gun shops or online stores Quote Link to post
Christoph1945 9 Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 23/05/2013 at 10:18, Alsone said: No I'm not full of bull. They were shot from a Rav 4 in a field and never moved away from the vehicle, hence the close distances involved. As for the injuries, in each case the pointed 30 grain hunting pellet had entered the skull and the rabbit was there alive, still stood upright and writhing its head around in agony covered in blood. In each case I had to get out of the vehicle, reload and shoot it again in the head from point blank. After 3 rabbits, I realised it wasn't a fluke or bad luck but a genuine issue with the weapon and stopped shooting so as to avoid causing any further suffering to anything. I have no desire to shoot anything in a manner that doesn't cause instant death. The result from each of these shots was totally unexpected as I expected from close range with a heavy pellet death would be instantaneous. I have been shooting myself on and off, for around 30 years albeit this is the 1st time I've taken an air rifle hunting. I hold a SC. My friend who was with me is very experienced - he has a pre-charged air rifle, 3 shot guns, .22LR, .223, .30-06 all on completely open tickets. He also commented on the apparent problems and this in turn triggered me to get the gun chrono'ed at the local gunshop. When it showed 11.9ft lbs at the gunshop, I sold the gun, albeit I now accept the ammo was probably to blame. I can only put it down to lack of velocity due to the pellet weight. All in all, I had the gun for less than 1 week because of that as I'm not prepared to cause injury to anything, hence the reason I sold. Given what others have said, I put it down to pellet choice now rather than the gun, albeit a 30 grain hunting pellet seeemed a good choice at the time. Quote Link to post
Christoph1945 9 Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 As a relative noob to airgunning, with no hunting experience, I stumbled on to this thread whilst seeking information on soft tissue damage caused by 22 airgun pellets, as against a 177. I have no wish to initiate the old 177 v 22 debate but on reading your post, couldn't help but wonder if shot placement (between the eyes) was more the problem than the gun, or pellet, that you were using. 1 Quote Link to post
BGA 117 Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 23/05/2013 at 10:18, Alsone said: No I'm not full of bull. They were shot from a Rav 4 in a field and never moved away from the vehicle, hence the close distances involved. As for the injuries, in each case the pointed 30 grain hunting pellet had entered the skull and the rabbit was there alive, still stood upright and writhing its head around in agony covered in blood. In each case I had to get out of the vehicle, reload and shoot it again in the head from point blank. After 3 rabbits, I realised it wasn't a fluke or bad luck but a genuine issue with the weapon and stopped shooting so as to avoid causing any further suffering to anything. I have no desire to shoot anything in a manner that doesn't cause instant death. The result from each of these shots was totally unexpected as I expected from close range with a heavy pellet death would be instantaneous. I have been shooting myself on and off, for around 30 years albeit this is the 1st time I've taken an air rifle hunting. I hold a SC. My friend who was with me is very experienced - he has a pre-charged air rifle, 3 shot guns, .22LR, .223, .30-06 all on completely open tickets. He also commented on the apparent problems and this in turn triggered me to get the gun chrono'ed at the local gunshop. When it showed 11.9ft lbs at the gunshop, I sold the gun, albeit I now accept the ammo was probably to blame. I can only put it down to lack of velocity due to the pellet weight. All in all, I had the gun for less than 1 week because of that as I'm not prepared to cause injury to anything, hence the reason I sold. Given what others have said, I put it down to pellet choice now rather than the gun, albeit a 30 grain hunting pellet seeemed a good choice at the time. If the pellet penetrated the head it wasn't the pellet or the gun that was at fault it was your shot placement. you need to hit the brain, or the spinal cord to get an outright kill with a headshot. Not just anywhere in the head. Quote Link to post
Dervburner 2,549 Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 Oh dear, oh dear.......... Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 8 years old thread, no point starting it off again!!!!! 1 Quote Link to post
walshie 2,804 Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 05/10/2021 at 10:06, Deker said: 8 years old thread, no point starting it off again!!!!! You know you're tempted though. Quote Link to post
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