collie/saluki testing time

[millybot 3]

here,s the scene as above with 1/2 whippet added 6 months now 23" tts is ok hunting up but is constantly scanning the scene for other dogs so i,ve got to be on my toes it,s a bitch the times i dont see the other dog she,s off playing with it then when it,s had enough and lies down she barks at it for more will not come back so muggins has to go and seek her and try and get her back on a leash i,ve give her a good smacking then takes the huff cant seem to get through to her i know the collie and saluki is working against me but have no older dog to help me out do you think keeping her on a extenable lead for a while the penny might drop dont feel like letting her off because of the carry on typing this through gritted teeth

millybot

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

here,s the scene as above with 1/2 whippet added 6 months now 23" tts is ok hunting up but is constantly scanning the scene for other dogs so i,ve got to be on my toes it,s a bitch the times i dont see the other dog she,s off playing with it then when it,s had enough and lies down she barks at it for more will not come back so muggins has to go and seek her and try and get her back on a leash i,ve give her a good smacking then takes the huff cant seem to get through to her i know the collie and saluki is working against me but have no older dog to help me out do you think keeping her on a extenable lead for a while the penny might drop dont feel like letting her off because of the carry on typing this through gritted teeth

millybot

 

You wrote that "I've give her a good smacking then takes the huff can't seem to get through to her" and you wonder why she won't come back to you. Think about it?

 

Tell you what mate if you really were typing the above through gritted teeth as you say you were maybe you should sell the dog before it's totally ruined and take up paintballing!!!

[rob190364 2,594]

I've heard people on here speaking about getting a dog to match your personality, especially with salukis and collies....now I know what they meant

[KittleRox 2,147]

here,s the scene as above with 1/2 whippet added 6 months now 23" tts is ok hunting up but is constantly scanning the scene for other dogs so i,ve got to be on my toes it,s a bitch the times i dont see the other dog she,s off playing with it then when it,s had enough and lies down she barks at it for more will not come back so muggins has to go and seek her and try and get her back on a leash i,ve give her a good smacking then takes the huff cant seem to get through to her i know the collie and saluki is working against me but have no older dog to help me out do you think keeping her on a extenable lead for a while the penny might drop dont feel like letting her off because of the carry on typing this through gritted teeth

millybot

 

You wrote that "I've give her a good smacking then takes the huff can't seem to get through to her" and you wonder why she won't come back to you. Think about it?

 

Tell you what mate if you really were typing the above through gritted teeth as you say you were maybe you should sell the dog before it's totally ruined and take up paintballing!!!

As border scot says you can,t expect the dog to have good recall if you,ve lost the head once or twice and made the dog wary, go back to basics and start recall over again.

Find a quiet spot and when the dog does come back act like its the best thing ever, put on the GAY voice lol and praise the dog to the max, roll about and play with dog ,make it a big game, build confidence again,

 

As for when the pup spots another dog be very switched on and when the pup goes to make the move give the command to "come in" to heel, just keep on top of it and as the dog matures it should become less of a problem, good luck

[airbourne 128]

here,s the scene as above with 1/2 whippet added 6 months now 23" tts is ok hunting up but is constantly scanning the scene for other dogs so i,ve got to be on my toes it,s a bitch the times i dont see the other dog she,s off playing with it then when it,s had enough and lies down she barks at it for more will not come back so muggins has to go and seek her and try and get her back on a leash i,ve give her a good smacking then takes the huff cant seem to get through to her i know the collie and saluki is working against me but have no older dog to help me out do you think keeping her on a extenable lead for a while the penny might drop dont feel like letting her off because of the carry on typing this through gritted teeth

millybot

its a no no to smacking her mate, at the end of the day she's a pup thats what pups do, other dogs are more exciting than you, make your self more exciting play with her give her tip bits she will grow out of it, my collie x whippet x grey x bull is still like a pup and she is 2 years old now, but when it comes down to lamping or going out for a mouch she just switches into hunting mode and other dogs don't mean shit to her.

[DottyDoo 500]

if ye know the dog is gonna go play wae other dogs, an ye admitt it annoys ye................

 

 

 

 

why put the dog in a situation its highly likely to fail

[millybot 3]

ok borderscot i see where your coming from gritted teeth was a bit over the top but was trying to get my point across will try a softly softly approach with harsh words only when needed a different a tack i think will step up training in a more remote place so there are no distractions from others/dogs always willing to take advice from more learned dog men thanks

millybot

[stav11 32]

here,s the scene as above with 1/2 whippet added 6 months now 23" tts is ok hunting up but is constantly scanning the scene for other dogs so i,ve got to be on my toes it,s a bitch the times i dont see the other dog she,s off playing with it then when it,s had enough and lies down she barks at it for more will not come back so muggins has to go and seek her and try and get her back on a leash i,ve give her a good smacking then takes the huff cant seem to get through to her i know the collie and saluki is working against me but have no older dog to help me out do you think keeping her on a extenable lead for a while the penny might drop dont feel like letting her off because of the carry on typing this through gritted teeth

millybot

picture this when you where a kid and got into bother ya mother or father would shout ya,knowing fine well you where going to get a clip how long did it take you to build up the courage to go home

[Cold Ethyl 63]

Maybe you need a good smacking? Would you go back to someone who leathers you? Why not try a spray collar worked for Flint when she just thought on it id spray here if she stayed she got a tasty treat if not back on lead and straight home end off.Your the problem here not the dog its young its breeding is that of a highly energetic dog so it will want to play and you need to make some time for that as well as the serious stuff

[millybot 3]

first time i ever heard of a spray collar just googled it would only use as a last resort thanks for the heads up on that

millybot

[skycat 6,174]

FFS it is a puppy. Pups need to play and interact with other dogs. It is part of their education. Dogs are pack animals, they need to be with other dogs. What you should do is find someone with a dog which gets on with yours. Take them out together specifically for the purpose of allowing your pup to be a dog with a mate she gets on with. At 6 months of age it is more important that you help your pup to become a well rounded animal.

 

As for the recall: don't expect your pup to come back to you if there are more fun and exciting things to do elsewhere. Training involves making an unshakeable bond between you and the pup. You have to make yourself exciting, appealing and full of fun if you want the pup to actually want to be with you.

 

Don't ever hit it. Always make sure that you greet the pup with open arms when it comes to you. As DD said, don't also put the pup in a position where a command can be disobeyed. If the pup is playing with another dog, don't shout at it to come to you: it just makes you look like the scary monster instead of protector and leader.

 

There will come a time when you have to assert your authority, but this should be done in a calm, firm way, not by getting stressed out and angry.

 

For the moment, concentrate on letting your pup meet other dogs in a controlled situation. Find other people who also want their dogs under control but still able to play together. Surely there must be some round where you are. When you find someone, agree that you'll meet, with both dogs on leads, approach eachother, let them greet, then let them loose for a few moments playing.

 

When you want your pup to come back to you read its body language. When there's a pause in the playing and it is not totally distracted by the other dog, call your pup, really excited tone of voice, toy, titbit in hand. Praise like mad when the pup gets to you: reward with either food or a tug on the toy. Then turn pup loose again: this is very important: you don't want the pup to see coming to you as the end of freedom and fun.

 

I always call pups to me during a walk, then throw them a ball or give them a fuss. Put on lead for a few yards walking, then turn them loose again. That way they only have pleasurable associations when coming to you.

 

It's a long slow haul with pups: they are like little kids, and want to have fun and explore. You need a lot of patience, and then some. If you just don't like the idea of a dog being an individual and having its own mind, then get a robot instead. We have to work with what is in our dogs' natures, not against it. Try reading some articles on natural dog training: just Google that phrase. There's loads of good stuff on the internet, though nothing is a substitute for experience. Here is one occasion where training classes can be helpful PROVIDING you can find someone enlightened enough not to just want to hammer the dog if it disobeys a direct command.

[millybot 3]

loads of good advice lads must have sounded a right moron from tonight phase two and we,ll see how it goes it,s been a while so thanks again

millybot

[Cold Ethyl 63]

first time i ever heard of a spray collar just googled it would only use as a last resort thanks for the heads up on that

millybot

 

Why would you rather beat the living shit out of it and have a scared dog whos no use then

[scalesntails 118]

I would say to not worry too much about training for a week or two and work on bonding again. If you have hit the dog a couple of times it will be wary so you need to fix that first. Find a nice field with no dogs, people, livestock or easy exits and just play with the dog. Run around call it over praise it up etc. Once you are comfortable with you recall in that situation then move on. If your dog sees another dog and run over to play with it don't call it back. It won't come and the dog is only learning that it can ignore you when it chooses to. Just walk over great the dog with praise and clip its lead on.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

I will give you my personal experience here. I am certainly not a dog trainer and I am currently in the process of training my first lurcher.

 

He is a 9 month old saluki/whippet/greyhound.

 

From day 1 (6 weeks old) I started training, sit, down, recall etc and was getting nowhere. He would try to be a pup and play with me and I would shout at him and hit him for it.

 

By 6 months old he was a nightmare. Zero obedience, zero recall. We could be up the local country park where there are loads of other dogs and he would race off as soon he saw them and I would literally have to round him up. The last straw was when it took me near 40 minutes to get him back.

 

So I came on here and had a look through some threads and changes tactics.

 

I started playing with him, fussing, bonding and forgetting training. If out on a walk he ran to another dog then I would let him, go with him and then after a few minutes just walk away and like a miracle, he came with me.

 

He is now 9 months and I go jogging up the same country park every morning with him off lead. I don't even take a lead with me. He comes out of the back gate, into the car, out of the car when we get there and doesn't leave my side until we get back to the car. Occasionally he will stop to play with another dog if one crosses our path but I dont even have to call him, he just follows me after a few seconds.

 

I plan to start retrieve training this week with a tennis ball to see how we get on. But I certainly think slow and steady is the way. And when you start to get high rate and annoyed call it a day.

 

Good luck.

 

Gaz