UNDERCOVER CARE THE ABUSED EXPOSED

[paulredtop 8]

I only just realised you allready made this topic. them bullys need filling up with expanding foam see how they like a bit of tourcher

[rocky1 942]

all this could have been stopped a year ago ,all them including the suits should go down for it aswell

[Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin]

Very Very sick

 

Cookie

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

How can people treat vulnerable people like that? The abuse was reported 3 times and the authorities didn't do a damn thing about it!

 

Gets the temper boiling this sort of thing does.

[rocky1 942]

fcuking corwards ,42 guests listen antis dial your interferring into this type of crimes rather then wasting goverment money and police resourses on hunting

[stewie 3,387]

cant believe some of the stuff ive just seen imagine how simones mum and dad felt not believing her when she told them what was happening and then seeing all that on tape not alot bothers me but i found all that upsetting if im honest, and agree with you all that wayne is a scum bag that will hopefully get whats deserved to him 1000 times over by men alot bigger and stronger than him the bullying c**t :censored:

[rocky1 942]

100% agree lurcher1

[gnasher16 30,490]

not alot bothers me but i found all that upsetting if im honest,

 

 

Same.....

 

Its worth keeping in mind things like this are the exception not the norm thank god......i have a big interest in a hospice for life limited children locally and the staff are the kindest most decent and sincere people you could ever wish to meet.Very rare quality of person infact.

 

Sadly there is sickos in all walks of life......its up to us all to get rid of them....seek and destroy as they say.

[rocky1 942]

i,m glad my uncle lived with my nanna all her life and no1 but had him in care,my nanna and grandad that both pastaway 2 years ago and my other uncle and rest of the fsmily now looks after him now,he,s mental reatarted and takes fits,i,m realy glad thats he lives with he family and did,nt have 2 go in 1 of these places

[Beano1456 14]

that pussy would run a f*****g mile as soon as anyone who could defend themselves squared up to him if he did that to my family i would find the scumbag and give him a bloody good pasting take him to the middle of Dartmoor and leave him there and never look back makes me sick how we trust our loved ones with these scum and they slip under the radar and take the piss

[scalesntails 118]

My father in law is 87 and can't look after himself. My wifes grandmother is 90 and can't look after herself either. Between brother in law, wife and myself we make sure they are looked after and wouldn't ever dream of putting them in a care home. They both live in the same house and my brother in law has moved in to help look after them. He is working during the day so normally myself or my wife will pop down and do some cleaning and put some washing on etc. The main thing they enjoy is just having someone sit down with a cup of tea and have a chat with them as they don't get out much. It doesn't take much to make the effort. I also make a few meals for them throughout the week so they get some relief from my brother in laws cooking.

[blan89 159]

not alot bothers me but i found all that upsetting if im honest,

 

 

Same.....

 

Its worth keeping in mind things like this are the exception not the norm thank god......i have a big interest in a hospice for life limited children locally and the staff are the kindest most decent and sincere people you could ever wish to meet.Very rare quality of person infact.

 

Sadly there is sickos in all walks of life......its up to us all to get rid of them....seek and destroy as they say.

if only it was that simple,the fact is if you do anything about it you end up in a world of shit labeled a criminal/crazy etc no-one follows your lead and in the long run it makes no real difference.

 

its sad but thats just the way i see life atm

individually we can do nothing.

[poacher3161 1,766]

Thats wat happens thanks to past tory goverments prievatiseing the care for the vunrable so c--ts can make lots of profits fekin disgusting.

[Moll. 1,770]

Please don't think all secure hospitals for people with learning disabilities are like this, they are not. I noticed a comment in the programme that they should be shut down and people cared for in the community, and in an ideal world that would be the very best thing, and all decent staff want his. BUT!......

 

The main problem preventing this is of course...money. And probably one of the reasons for some of the behaviour (Not the abuse) in this documentary.

It is hard for people to imagine the challenging behaviours, the levels and intensity which can be displayed by people with learning disabilities, violence to the extreme and quite frankly behaviours only ever imaginable in horror movies. Someone so violent and so ill, that no, and i mean NO sedatives can calm, they have to be removed to padded seclusion rooms untill their violence subsides. Patients who have to have a medical comatose implemented for several days, only brought out of it to eat and toilet.

 

Imagine for example a fit, strong , 14 stone 6 ft 6" man. This man is extremely violent, no visible antecedents for his behaviour, just sudden outbursts. He has no verbal communication and is at the development stage (mentally) of a 6mth old baby.

To prevent this man from hurting himself or others, to safely restrain him you would need a trained 4 man team, plus you would need a qualified nurse on duty at all times, now times that by 2, one set for day shift one for night shift 7 days per week...etc. And if that man lived with even one other person the same, for safety he would need another 4 man team on duty (quite often one person displaying violent behaviour would cause (like a domino effect) more challenging behaviours from other patients) So for 2 patients that would be 9 people on duty every hour of every day... you don't get that many staff on duty on wards with 20+ violent patients!!!! So one patient explodes, 4 staff restrain, who is looking after the rest of the patients? If a patient refuses to get out of bed, can you spare even one staff to stay with this patient, NO, you have to get this patient up and in the 'common room' with the rest of the patients and staff, that patients rights go out of the window, not because of the staff do not want them to have their rights, but because of safety. Then you have a duty of care, if a patient was not bathed, was allowed to live in their beds 24hrs a day, who is responsible, who is the person accused of abuse and neglect, because if this were to happen, it is actually neglect even if that is what the patient wants...the nurse in charge by letting the patient neglect themselves. So a question for people to ponder what do you do if a patient absolutely refuses to get out of bed, refuses to bathe, how would you deal with it?

 

A fantastic scenario would be for say 2/3 individuals to live in a lovely residential home with enough staff on duty they can safely and effectively nurse these people. Providing care packages suited to the individual, to help minimise the challenging behaviours. These homes should be in a 'normal' community setting. But no area health authority is willing to pay for the care required. And...no one wants them in their community, near their houses, near their kids. Hence units like these, tucked away.

In a hospital setting at least there are other wards you can call upon for assistance, a diverse team always on standby and a mini community setting for these people. Shops, social clubs, library, discos, film shows etc etc, where they can live without ridicule, to experience as normal a life as possible.

 

The home in this documentary had from what i could tell had about 4 staff on duty for all those potentially violent patients, restraint would have had to have been used not as a last resort but to prevent violence from escalating, having said that, i do not think i saw one actual correct control and restraint technique used in this programme. Staff would have to 'sit around' with the patients, what else could they do, they could not take a few off into another room for activities, not enough staff to do so.

Since the days of mental asylums and beyond, violent patients do not have the treatment they require, they are 'managed' they are kept in a secure environment to help minimise danger. The stress levels for staff are exhausting to say the least. can you imagine being mentally always on full alert.

 

Is any of this an excuse to torture and abuse patients, of course it is most definitely not, but even with angels...and there are many more angels than abusers looking after people like this all over the country, the patients are still not having the care they need, nothing to do with the staff trying their very best but with the government. Local area health authorities will not pay for the levels of care and the expertise of staff required......!

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

My father in law is 87 and can't look after himself. My wifes grandmother is 90 and can't look after herself either. Between brother in law, wife and myself we make sure they are looked after and wouldn't ever dream of putting them in a care home. They both live in the same house and my brother in law has moved in to help look after them. He is working during the day so normally myself or my wife will pop down and do some cleaning and put some washing on etc. The main thing they enjoy is just having someone sit down with a cup of tea and have a chat with them as they don't get out much. It doesn't take much to make the effort. I also make a few meals for them throughout the week so they get some relief from my brother in laws cooking.

 

 

If only more people were like you and your family, If you can help then you should IMO. You's are doing a good thing pal .

 

That's not to put anyone down that does have loved ones in care, I know circumstances and all that don't always allow it, But it just seems that so many people these days are that run down with work and trying to pay their way to happiness that they haven't got the time for their loved ones who need them.

 

My Nan and Granddad have not long moved into my Aunt's house who live 2 minutes walk around the corner from me, and for me to take 15 - 20 minutes out of my day a few times a week, just to sit and have a chat with them makes their day, they like to see us Grandkids. Saying that if I spent any more time with them I'd probably ruin their day so I keep it short and sweet .

 

Seriously though, It's important to be there for them as they become older and can't get about as well as they once did, it's nice for them to show you give a shit.