EASY OR A LOT OF MESSING ABOUT ?

[VOON 1,317]

I have gone down the route of breeding steady dogs to hard bitches and visa versa, it didn't work out for me but i wouldn't say it couldn't work as in the breeding of terriers you never know. I would say Hardness in terriers is one of the easy traits to breed for but i don't want that in my terriers, i'm after a dog that just does enough to get the job done but one that won't take kindly to being pushed around itself. It wouldn't do to have every dog in the yard exactly the same, you need a few tools in the cupboard so to speak.

 

The family of dogs i keep produce everything from rock steady to iron hard, the hard thing for me to do is find the one that suites me. I put all three dogs out of one mating down once as all were stupid hard, i was averaging nine days out a season with each one. The last one i put down out of that litter i put to a steady dog and from that litter i produced two dogs and four bitches, the dogs were again stupid hard but all of the bitches were shite, all utter cowards and bullies. Like i said "you pays your money and takes your chance".

With hind sight i wish i'de stuck to my first choise, i used a dog on NS's advise and payed the price, that said who knows what she would of produced to anything different.

 

The one thing i always look for in any mating is the family as a whole behind both parents (warts and all), they must have "drive" and brains and if i had to choose between brains and brawn the brains would come first always.

 

 

Good info, its hard to know what traits are passed down along Bitch or Dog lines, My brother in law had a good family of Pats that came out of England in the eighties. Great drive and hunting ability, but the bitches always came small 10 inches and very slim, these would get pushed about a good bit but produced good stock if you crossed a bigger type of dog (usually hard type which hadnt got very good noses over the ground or kinda lacking games sense a lot of which were around my neck of the woods back then). He has a small bitch at present id say 9 or 10 inches and the next time she comes in season, my pat dog is going be snook in when he goes to work She's 18 months id say, stayed 4 hours on a winter night, having to be dug out twice, because the first time we opened up what i thought was her wasn't...the bitch followed her fox back to ground...self entered on a walk following a trail across 2 fields to come find her earth....yes she's not fully tested (brother only ferrets now will dig if a farmer asked him to) pups wont be sold, but the line is going back to 1987 now so we know the type it throw.

 

Anyone else got any idea's/thoughts on how to breed and best to best is not really an informative answer as what i think is good another lad might not want...........prefer bayers that will keep the pressure on ie dont run away when a fox tries to move....

[VOON 1,317]

Sorry fat man that wasn't meant for you. I'm sick of jokers coming on ruining threads just when they get interesting, i've put MHO on and told a little about dogs i had and got shitty comments about putting them down. Heres a question for you ASS CRACK who would you trust with your pride and joy after twenty odd years of seeing tossers with terriers !!!, if i can find a home for dogs that don't suite me then i pass them on but only when i'm happy with the people who're getting them.

 

 

From what I've read seems to be type most lads go for after a little time in the game...most of us get sense after a while...

[fat man 4,741]

To busterdog's question,i have seen too many dogs sold on and then they travel up and down the country swaping hands for 3.or.4 year till someone finially cops on the dog is shit and does the right thing.As for a good working dog i have never sold a working dog that i held in high esteem.Ibought a black bitch a few year back from a chap that was giving up the game,he told me one thing about her and she proved different.A chap then contacted me looking for a fox bitch and that's where she went.Any dogs we have either work to the standard we want and are kept till old age takes them,or they dont work and tha' end off story.I think if everyone was honest with themselves and took a good look at whats in there yards there would not be half as much shit floating about,but that is just my opinion.

[neil cooney 10,416]

A good post Fat Man and I know that some terriers that weren't good enough for yourself have made other terrier men very happy. Pip springs to mind.

I also know that some top class workers have died of old age on your yard.

[am back 31]

Sorry fat man that wasn't meant for you. I'm sick of jokers coming on ruining threads just when they get interesting, i've put MHO on and told a little about dogs i had and got shitty comments about putting them down. Heres a question for you ASS CRACK who would you trust with your pride and joy after twenty odd years of seeing tossers with terriers !!!, if i can find a home for dogs that don't suite me then i pass them on but only when i'm happy with the people who're getting them.

 

 

From what I've read seems to be type most lads go for after a little time in the game...most of us get sense after a while...

most of us get sense after a while and what?start keeping things with no heart,things that get moved about,things that look nice,things that cant stay .a real worker needs a real hardness about it just to get the job done,and most importantly make it look easy.at the end of the day if more people had seen proper dogs they wouldnt put up with second rate .

[VOON 1,317]

Sorry fat man that wasn't meant for you. I'm sick of jokers coming on ruining threads just when they get interesting, i've put MHO on and told a little about dogs i had and got shitty comments about putting them down. Heres a question for you ASS CRACK who would you trust with your pride and joy after twenty odd years of seeing tossers with terriers !!!, if i can find a home for dogs that don't suite me then i pass them on but only when i'm happy with the people who're getting them.

 

 

From what I've read seems to be type most lads go for after a little time in the game...most of us get sense after a while...

most of us get sense after a while and what?start keeping things with no heart,things that get moved about,things that look nice,things that cant stay .a real worker needs a real hardness about it just to get the job done,and most importantly make it look easy.at the end of the day if more people had seen proper dogs they wouldnt put up with second rate .

 

"most of us get sense after a while and what?start keeping things with no heart"..... Nope start keeping dogs with sense.....dogs that know when to move it up a gear, when to ease off a little.....there's an ebb and flow in everything, whether is terriers, lurchers, boxing, etc....if you try to dominate all the time, you end up wearing yourself out and giving, and you can make them all stop, if you give them enough of it at the wrong time, wrong place, every dog's thats a world beater at 2 not a whole lot of them left at 5......... Seen lots of proper dogs by the way and very few of them keep motoring..... V

[am back 31]

Sorry fat man that wasn't meant for you. I'm sick of jokers coming on ruining threads just when they get interesting, i've put MHO on and told a little about dogs i had and got shitty comments about putting them down. Heres a question for you ASS CRACK who would you trust with your pride and joy after twenty odd years of seeing tossers with terriers !!!, if i can find a home for dogs that don't suite me then i pass them on but only when i'm happy with the people who're getting them.

 

 

From what I've read seems to be type most lads go for after a little time in the game...most of us get sense after a while...

most of us get sense after a while and what?start keeping things with no heart,things that get moved about,things that look nice,things that cant stay .a real worker needs a real hardness about it just to get the job done,and most importantly make it look easy.at the end of the day if more people had seen proper dogs they wouldnt put up with second rate .

 

"most of us get sense after a while and what?start keeping things with no heart"..... Nope start keeping dogs with sense.....dogs that know when to move it up a gear, when to ease off a little.....there's an ebb and flow in everything, whether is terriers, lurchers, boxing, etc....if you try to dominate all the time, you end up wearing yourself out and giving, and you can make them all stop, if you give them enough of it at the wrong time, wrong place, every dog's thats a world beater at 2 not a whole lot of them left at 5......... Seen lots of proper dogs by the way and very few of them keep motoring..... V

i hear what your saying ,but there is a very fine line between a sensible dog and an average dog.at the end of the day everybody has their own idea of what they want out a dog.it would be boring if we all wanted the same.and your right most of them dont last .but i think its more about quality than quantity.i dont see what the problem is with hard dogs,because when you want to put more fire in a pup what dog do you turn to.these dogs go about it in a true honest working fashion ,no messing about,or moving and most importantly thats all they want to do is get on with it.

[VOON 1,317]

Sorry fat man that wasn't meant for you. I'm sick of jokers coming on ruining threads just when they get interesting, i've put MHO on and told a little about dogs i had and got shitty comments about putting them down. Heres a question for you ASS CRACK who would you trust with your pride and joy after twenty odd years of seeing tossers with terriers !!!, if i can find a home for dogs that don't suite me then i pass them on but only when i'm happy with the people who're getting them.

 

 

From what I've read seems to be type most lads go for after a little time in the game...most of us get sense after a while...

most of us get sense after a while and what?start keeping things with no heart,things that get moved about,things that look nice,things that cant stay .a real worker needs a real hardness about it just to get the job done,and most importantly make it look easy.at the end of the day if more people had seen proper dogs they wouldnt put up with second rate .

 

"most of us get sense after a while and what?start keeping things with no heart"..... Nope start keeping dogs with sense.....dogs that know when to move it up a gear, when to ease off a little.....there's an ebb and flow in everything, whether is terriers, lurchers, boxing, etc....if you try to dominate all the time, you end up wearing yourself out and giving, and you can make them all stop, if you give them enough of it at the wrong time, wrong place, every dog's thats a world beater at 2 not a whole lot of them left at 5......... Seen lots of proper dogs by the way and very few of them keep motoring..... V

i hear what your saying ,but there is a very fine line between a sensible dog and an average dog.at the end of the day everybody has their own idea of what they want out a dog.it would be boring if we all wanted the same.and your right most of them dont last .but i think its more about quality than quantity.i dont see what the problem is with hard dogs,because when you want to put more fire in a pup what dog do you turn to.these dogs go about it in a true honest working fashion ,no messing about,or moving and most importantly thats all they want to do is get on with it.

 

Agree with what your saying totally, by the way i have no problem with hard dogs or keeping them, if i had time and space i'd probaly keep 3 lines of dogs and i definetly keep a hard line, as i still think you always need a good base to breed back in, especially if you feck things up with a breeding or lose a couple of good dogs/bitches, and have a average bitch to breed out of, look for a good strong dog normally puts a bit of fire in them, in my experience........ plus in fairness a lot of hardish dogs get a little work shy because of the amount of work they get, if the got left up for a while longer probaly wouldnt stop going..JMO

 

So anyone else got any thoughts on putting there own line together, What had Buck/Breay in mind when they starting breeding black dogs? ....V

[lee micheal kennels 12]

To busterdog's question,i have seen too many dogs sold on and then they travel up and down the country swaping hands for 3.or.4 year till someone finially cops on the dog is shit and does the right thing.As for a good working dog i have never sold a working dog that i held in high esteem.Ibought a black bitch a few year back from a chap that was giving up the game,he told me one thing about her and she proved different.A chap then contacted me looking for a fox bitch and that's where she went.Any dogs we have either work to the standard we want and are kept till old age takes them,or they dont work and tha' end off story.I think if everyone was honest with themselves and took a good look at whats in there yards there would not be half as much shit floating about,but that is just my opinion.

 

 

i agree witn you boss far to many dogs sold on as workers and arent worth petrol money to collect the curs.. but i have to say just imo that you give them a fair chance to show there worth keeping and if the do they will be kept good work for as long as there willin to do there job,,, R.i.p RUSTY THE OLD WARRIOR

Edited June 8, 2011 by lee micheal kennels

[terrierxhound 26]

i would chose a bayer that stays every time over a hard dog .i would rather a dog that can be dug to every time you want it rather than a hard fcuker that needs weeks to heal after each dig but it is nice to see a hard dog work

well said man

[fat man 4,741]

To busterdog's question,i have seen too many dogs sold on and then they travel up and down the country swaping hands for 3.or.4 year till someone finially cops on the dog is shit and does the right thing.As for a good working dog i have never sold a working dog that i held in high esteem.Ibought a black bitch a few year back from a chap that was giving up the game,he told me one thing about her and she proved different.A chap then contacted me looking for a fox bitch and that's where she went.Any dogs we have either work to the standard we want and are kept till old age takes them,or they dont work and tha' end off story.I think if everyone was honest with themselves and took a good look at whats in there yards there would not be half as much shit floating about,but that is just my opinion.

 

 

i agree witn you boss far to many dogs sold on as workers and arent worth petrol money to collect the curs.. but i have to say just imo that you give them a fair chance to show there worth keeping and if the do they will be kept good work for as long as there willin to do there job,,, R.i.p RUSTY THE OLD WARRIOR

I would love to have a kennell full like old rusty,at least he died after he was bred to do,and boy did he do it well.Had no respect for any quarry.

[wipeout 80]

To busterdog's question,i have seen too many dogs sold on and then they travel up and down the country swaping hands for 3.or.4 year till someone finially cops on the dog is shit and does the right thing.As for a good working dog i have never sold a working dog that i held in high esteem.Ibought a black bitch a few year back from a chap that was giving up the game,he told me one thing about her and she proved different.A chap then contacted me looking for a fox bitch and that's where she went.Any dogs we have either work to the standard we want and are kept till old age takes them,or they dont work and tha' end off story.I think if everyone was honest with themselves and took a good look at whats in there yards there would not be half as much shit floating about,but that is just my opinion.

 

 

i agree witn you boss far to many dogs sold on as workers and arent worth petrol money to collect the curs.. but i have to say just imo that you give them a fair chance to show there worth keeping and if the do they will be kept good work for as long as there willin to do there job,,, R.i.p RUSTY THE OLD WARRIOR

I would love to have a kennell full like old rusty,at least he died after he was bred to do,and boy did he do it well.Had no respect for any quarry.

you will be hard pushed to get another of his type never stopped 110 percent all the time r.i.p rusty

[lee micheal kennels 12]

To busterdog's question,i have seen too many dogs sold on and then they travel up and down the country swaping hands for 3.or.4 year till someone finially cops on the dog is shit and does the right thing.As for a good working dog i have never sold a working dog that i held in high esteem.Ibought a black bitch a few year back from a chap that was giving up the game,he told me one thing about her and she proved different.A chap then contacted me looking for a fox bitch and that's where she went.Any dogs we have either work to the standard we want and are kept till old age takes them,or they dont work and tha' end off story.I think if everyone was honest with themselves and took a good look at whats in there yards there would not be half as much shit floating about,but that is just my opinion.

 

 

i agree witn you boss far to many dogs sold on as workers and arent worth petrol money to collect the curs.. but i have to say just imo that you give them a fair chance to show there worth keeping and if the do they will be kept good work for as long as there willin to do there job,,, R.i.p RUSTY THE OLD WARRIOR

I would love to have a kennell full like old rusty,at least he died after he was bred to do,and boy did he do it well.Had no respect for any quarry.

yeah i liked hes style ha id love just one like him meself great oul dog i only seen him close to the end,,but still one of best terriers ive seen work..

Edited June 8, 2011 by lee micheal kennels