whats the problem with plummers ?

[lloyd-holmes 15]

cheers for all the replys lads ,,, wirral countryman i was just asking about plummers not "spouting out stereotypical rubbish" so i dont no where u got that idea from ? cheers folks

[hedz31 1,308]

Whats the problem with plummer's ??? I've spoke about this many times and it is the reason why most plummer websites are rubbish in my opinion,the breed has been overrun with women in charge who have no idea of working a terrier to its natural enemy,middle class ownership in pursuit of money and K C registration,I have never had a plummer that I couldn't dig to or bolt and I'm pleased to say there are at least a small hardcore of lads now who are fully testing them,they,like myself are putting worker to worker in the hope of keeping a small minority working to their full potential,by the way I've kept plummer's since 1980 and kept nuttall,middleton stuff as well,I agree that 95% of plummer's will never see any serious work but don't be kidded that they are all of the same ilk,comments by ill informed people that have never even owned one or some-one that had one that was rubbish,it was rubbish because he's probably bought the first pup he come across and never bothered to find a line that was consistantly worked,they are not for hard bitten terriermen that treat dogs harsh as you will get nothing out of them,but with carefull entering they can make a decent earthdog,most have an excellent nose and are capable of much more than just earthwork,I don't keep anything over 13"tts and my dogs are always easilly spannable,the same goes for the lads that are breeding elsewhere in the country but you won't see many advertised as most are gifted among friends or swapped to improve other lines,so next time you get the urge to spout stereotypical rubbish about plummer's remember there are a small number of us that keep lines that do work and quietly go about our business,wirralman

Any chance of seeing ye dogs work below chap

[gravel 63]

cheers for all the replys lads ,,, wirral countryman i was just asking about plummers not "spouting out stereotypical rubbish" so i dont no where u got that idea from ? cheers folks

wirral countryman was only telling you the truth, lol.

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

Hedz31

 

Youve seen one or two that L.W worked,pepsi,lucy ,bob etc

[JR Yipp 111]

I get the impression from reading plummer posts on here in the past that:

1 - Many folk think Doc Plummer was a lying twat.

2 - Most plummers are used to rat, which some folk think is a pussy's way of hunting.

3 - Many plummer owners want colour breeding and KC reg, which is the bane of working breeds, as we now.

 

I do know that a plummer doesn't actually know he's a plummer, he just knows he has a master to please. When he's a pup, surely he's a 'blank canvas'? If you train him to rat then he'll likely rat, if you train him for show he'll likely enjoy prancing about; if you train him to dig then surely he'll dig? Some dogs are better than others but the dogman doing the training is key, surely?

 

I have a plummer-jack cross as anyone sees if they view my profile. But to me, he is just 'my terrier', i don't care what colour he is, what breed he is or isn't, nor what his parents did, or even what a twat the chap who invented him was. Seems to me the problem with plummers is why some owners do what they do with them, and what other blokes think as a result. The dogs themselves certainly aren't to blame. I hope that makes sense anyway........................

 

 

you still spouting this bullshit!!!

 

lack of knowledge but talking like you know is a dangrous thing.

 

as for plummers, im sure there fine for what they a bred for.

[hedz31 1,308]

Hedz31

 

Youve seen one or two that L.W worked,pepsi,lucy ,bob etc

They were not like the plummers you see now though fella them to me were a different kettle of fish

[Cleanspade 3,322]

you can teach a yorkie to rat. i wish i had a pound for everytime someone spouted this one liner. the thuth of course is that you may be able to teach the odd yorkie to rat. but would it be a top class ratter or just get by. you can teach a cairn or westie to work to ground. but to what standard. the working bred plummer is a first rate ratting terrier and is hard to beat at this job.

 

as for earthwork. some of the workbred plummers do a job below ground. most of the folk that slag them are fanny,s trying to be realdeal terriermen

[dai dogs 1,490]

how many hardcore terrier men would of challenged the guy to a nights ratting ?

[old school 531]

i have him on dvd sayin he has a pack of cavalier king charles spaniels that can rat and dig badgers with the best of them!!!

[HGN 150]

i have him on dvd sayin he has a pack of cavalier king charles spaniels that can rat and dig badgers with the best of them!!!

 

 

D Plummer or other folk? Not sure how truthful that is but folk here on the island are digging to plummers - do they need to 'stroke their egos' by being on here to say it to folk ..... perhaps not......

Edited May 27, 2011 by HGN

[tinytiger 831]

you can teach a yorkie to rat. i wish i had a pound for everytime someone spouted this one liner. the thuth of course is that you may be able to teach the odd yorkie to rat. but would it be a top class ratter or just get by. you can teach a cairn or westie to work to ground. but to what standard. the working bred plummer is a first rate ratting terrier and is hard to beat at this job.

 

as for earthwork. some of the workbred plummers do a job below ground. most of the folk that slag them are fanny,s trying to be realdeal terriermen

 

 

all yorkies are bred off a dog that was a champion in the rat pits-its bound to come out in the odd 1,Ive seen yorkies worked to fox-she was an exception id say-possibly the most evil minded dog ive ever come accross-the terriers i kept as a kid were all bred down off her (there was trialling staff,wire fox terrier,jack russell,glen of imaal in them as well+probably other breeds).Ive a fullbred plummer bitch that im digging to -shes yet to leave a fox alive -maybe i got luckey when i bought her dam or maybe people dont like brian plummers books and think therefore his line of terriers cant be up to much either.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

you can teach a yorkie to rat. i wish i had a pound for everytime someone spouted this one liner. the thuth of course is that you may be able to teach the odd yorkie to rat. but would it be a top class ratter or just get by. you can teach a cairn or westie to work to ground. but to what standard. the working bred plummer is a first rate ratting terrier and is hard to beat at this job.

 

as for earthwork. some of the workbred plummers do a job below ground. most of the folk that slag them are fanny,s trying to be realdeal terriermen

 

 

Cleanspade,its not very often you and I agree but most on here just like to bang the drum,MY dogs do as well as any terrier of any breed,this has been witnessed by many from this site,I'm not saying all plummer's will stand their ground but mine will work as good as any other breed,my dog can be a touch hard and has had a lot of time laid up from injury this season but for a dog of nearly 9yrs he has had a good season this last winter,I think this may have been his last bit of hard work and has earned his retirement in front of the fire,my bitch was lined 5 weeks ago and I pray that the pup I keep will carry the qualities of the dam,when needed,she will not be bossed and has the power to finish off what she started,her head size is as good as any type you can mention and all pups are already gifted to working homes,atb,wirralman

[gravel 63]

you can teach a yorkie to rat. i wish i had a pound for everytime someone spouted this one liner. the thuth of course is that you may be able to teach the odd yorkie to rat. but would it be a top class ratter or just get by. you can teach a cairn or westie to work to ground. but to what standard. the working bred plummer is a first rate ratting terrier and is hard to beat at this job.

 

as for earthwork. some of the workbred plummers do a job below ground. most of the folk that slag them are fanny,s trying to be realdeal terriermen

 

 

Cleanspade,its not very often you and I agree but most on here just like to bang the drum,MY dogs do as well as any terrier of any breed,this has been witnessed by many from this site,I'm not saying all plummer's will stand their ground but mine will work as good as any other breed,my dog can be a touch hard and has had a lot of time laid up from injury this season but for a dog of nearly 9yrs he has had a good season this last winter,I think this may have been his last bit of hard work and has earned his retirement in front of the fire,my bitch was lined 5 weeks ago and I pray that the pup I keep will carry the qualities of the dam,when needed,she will not be bossed and has the power to finish off what she started,her head size is as good as any type you can mention and all pups are already gifted to working homes,atb,wirralman

[Tomm Parr 30]

I get the impression from reading plummer posts on here in the past that:

1 - Many folk think Doc Plummer was a lying twat.

2 - Most plummers are used to rat, which some folk think is a pussy's way of hunting.

3 - Many plummer owners want colour breeding and KC reg, which is the bane of working breeds, as we now.

 

I do know that a plummer doesn't actually know he's a plummer, he just knows he has a master to please. When he's a pup, surely he's a 'blank canvas'? If you train him to rat then he'll likely rat, if you train him for show he'll likely enjoy prancing about; if you train him to dig then surely he'll dig? Some dogs are better than others but the dogman doing the training is key, surely?

 

I have a plummer-jack cross as anyone sees if they view my profile. But to me, he is just 'my terrier', i don't care what colour he is, what breed he is or isn't, nor what his parents did, or even what a twat the chap who invented him was. Seems to me the problem with plummers is why some owners do what they do with them, and what other blokes think as a result. The dogs themselves certainly aren't to blame. I hope that makes sense anyway........................

 

 

you still spouting this bullshit!!!

 

lack of knowledge but talking like you know is a dangrous thing.

 

as for plummers, im sure there fine for what they a bred for.

 

 

Not spouting, just posing a question. Nothing to get worked up over.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

you can teach a yorkie to rat. i wish i had a pound for everytime someone spouted this one liner. the thuth of course is that you may be able to teach the odd yorkie to rat. but would it be a top class ratter or just get by. you can teach a cairn or westie to work to ground. but to what standard. the working bred plummer is a first rate ratting terrier and is hard to beat at this job.

 

as for earthwork. some of the workbred plummers do a job below ground. most of the folk that slag them are fanny,s trying to be realdeal terriermen

 

 

all yorkies are bred off a dog that was a champion in the rat pits-its bound to come out in the odd 1,Ive seen yorkies worked to fox-she was an exception id say-possibly the most evil minded dog ive ever come accross-the terriers i kept as a kid were all bred down off her (there was trialling staff,wire fox terrier,jack russell,glen of imaal in them as well+probably other breeds).Ive a fullbred plummer bitch that im digging to -shes yet to leave a fox alive -maybe i got luckey when i bought her dam or maybe people dont like brian plummers books and think therefore his line of terriers cant be up to much either.

 

how did your pups fair TT be good to get an update