whats the problem with plummers ?

[lloyd-holmes 15]

everywhere you read that plummers are shit , there not hard enough , there too leggy all that sort of stuff ,, they may be softer than other breeds but is this always a bad thing ? . are they really as bad as everyone makes out? or is it that half of the people slating them have never tried one but just slate them anyway because of a disliking to the bloke that developed them ? and before everyone starts moaning and saying that i must own plummers..... well i dont ! just curious about the breed . also even if they arnt as hard as patterdales or lakelands generally , could they still not be used by hunt terrier men or lads that want a bolting or baying dog ?

 

thanks for reading

[Chid 6,537]

one main problem is most plummers are bred for looks and not for work ...

[Chid 6,537]

and forgot to add bred for £££££££££s

[izzyrabbits 1]

iv had a plummer and it had no heart and no ball's and it was the worste terrier iv ever owned mate.they have got niffic on a good patterdale

or a lakeland.

[steveS.Yorks 161]

Never had one or seen one work but the vast majority of comments allways seem to be negative?

 

I think the problem was Plummer tried to take shortcuts and bred them as a bid for immortality rather than to produce the ultimate working terrier,the really ironic thing is the base stock he started with was very capable in the right hands,and when bred on by genuine digging lads they produced some outstanding terriers.

 

In a conversation with a mate who did breed the base stock on sucessfully Plummer said "i added the bull for the skin,not the reason everyone thinks" i think that about sums it up really.

[fidodido 30]

Never had one or seen one work but the vast majority of comments allways seem to be negative?

 

I think the problem was Plummer tried to take shortcuts and bred them as a bid for immortality rather than to produce the ultimate working terrier,the really ironic thing is the base stock he started with was very capable in the right hands,and when bred on by genuine digging lads they produced some outstanding terriers.

 

In a conversation with a mate who did breed the base stock on sucessfully Plummer said "i added the bull for the skin,not the reason everyone thinks" i think that about sums it up really.

bred it for the skin what a load of shit lol lol :laugh: :laugh:

[Tomm Parr 30]

I get the impression from reading plummer posts on here in the past that:

1 - Many folk think Doc Plummer was a lying twat.

2 - Most plummers are used to rat, which some folk think is a pussy's way of hunting.

3 - Many plummer owners want colour breeding and KC reg, which is the bane of working breeds, as we now.

 

I do know that a plummer doesn't actually know he's a plummer, he just knows he has a master to please. When he's a pup, surely he's a 'blank canvas'? If you train him to rat then he'll likely rat, if you train him for show he'll likely enjoy prancing about; if you train him to dig then surely he'll dig? Some dogs are better than others but the dogman doing the training is key, surely?

 

I have a plummer-jack cross as anyone sees if they view my profile. But to me, he is just 'my terrier', i don't care what colour he is, what breed he is or isn't, nor what his parents did, or even what a twat the chap who invented him was. Seems to me the problem with plummers is why some owners do what they do with them, and what other blokes think as a result. The dogs themselves certainly aren't to blame. I hope that makes sense anyway........................

Edited May 26, 2011 by Tomm Parr

[gnipper 6,475]

I get the impression from reading plummer posts on here in the past that:

1 - Many folk think Doc Plummer was a lying twat.

2 - Most plummers are used to rat, which some folk think is a pussy's way of hunting.

3 - Many plummer owners want colour breeding and KC reg, which is the bane of working breeds, as we now.

 

I do know that a plummer doesn't actually know he's a plummer, he just knows he has a master to please. When he's a pup, surely he's a 'blank canvas'? If you train him to rat then he'll likely rat, if you train him for show he'll likely enjoy prancing about; if you train him to dig then surely he'll dig? Some dogs are better than others but the dogman doing the training is key, surely?

 

I have a plummer-jack cross as anyone sees if they view my profile. But to me, he is just 'my terrier', i don't care what colour he is, what breed he is or isn't, nor what his parents did, or even what a twat the chap who invented him was. Seems to me the problem with plummers is why some owners do what they do with them, and what other blokes think as a result. The dogs themselves certainly aren't to blame. I hope that makes sense anyway........................

 

1 Plummer was a lying twat

2 Even yorkies will kill rats, its not a pussy's way of hunting but its not what terriers were bred for.

3 I'll agree with you on that one

[Tomm Parr 30]

I get the impression from reading plummer posts on here in the past that:

1 - Many folk think Doc Plummer was a lying twat.

2 - Most plummers are used to rat, which some folk think is a pussy's way of hunting.

3 - Many plummer owners want colour breeding and KC reg, which is the bane of working breeds, as we now.

 

I do know that a plummer doesn't actually know he's a plummer, he just knows he has a master to please. When he's a pup, surely he's a 'blank canvas'? If you train him to rat then he'll likely rat, if you train him for show he'll likely enjoy prancing about; if you train him to dig then surely he'll dig? Some dogs are better than others but the dogman doing the training is key, surely?

 

I have a plummer-jack cross as anyone sees if they view my profile. But to me, he is just 'my terrier', i don't care what colour he is, what breed he is or isn't, nor what his parents did, or even what a twat the chap who invented him was. Seems to me the problem with plummers is why some owners do what they do with them, and what other blokes think as a result. The dogs themselves certainly aren't to blame. I hope that makes sense anyway........................

 

1 Plummer was a lying twat

2 Even yorkies will kill rats, its not a pussy's way of hunting but its not what terriers were bred for.

3 I'll agree with you on that one

 

 

No I don't think its a pussy's way of hunting at all. I can't wait to get my pup into it!

The problem is that some chaps do think that about plummers, that's half the problem.

[buddylove 6]

fcking ass bitters

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Whats the problem with plummer's ??? I've spoke about this many times and it is the reason why most plummer websites are rubbish in my opinion,the breed has been overrun with women in charge who have no idea of working a terrier to its natural enemy,middle class ownership in pursuit of money and K C registration,I have never had a plummer that I couldn't dig to or bolt and I'm pleased to say there are at least a small hardcore of lads now who are fully testing them,they,like myself are putting worker to worker in the hope of keeping a small minority working to their full potential,by the way I've kept plummer's since 1980 and kept nuttall,middleton stuff as well,I agree that 95% of plummer's will never see any serious work but don't be kidded that they are all of the same ilk,comments by ill informed people that have never even owned one or some-one that had one that was rubbish,it was rubbish because he's probably bought the first pup he come across and never bothered to find a line that was consistantly worked,they are not for hard bitten terriermen that treat dogs harsh as you will get nothing out of them,but with carefull entering they can make a decent earthdog,most have an excellent nose and are capable of much more than just earthwork,I don't keep anything over 13"tts and my dogs are always easilly spannable,the same goes for the lads that are breeding elsewhere in the country but you won't see many advertised as most are gifted among friends or swapped to improve other lines,so next time you get the urge to spout stereotypical rubbish about plummer's remember there are a small number of us that keep lines that do work and quietly go about our business,wirralman

[mickyatch 37]

i carnt understand weather plummer russel patt or lakey fell ... or queen anne legged yorkie .. surely if you take it from a pup and couple it up and it watches dig after dig after dig then surely the dog will know its game ? let me know if you disagree

[gravel 63]

Whats the problem with plummer's ??? I've spoke about this many times and it is the reason why most plummer websites are rubbish in my opinion,the breed has been overrun with women in charge who have no idea of working a terrier to its natural enemy,middle class ownership in pursuit of money and K C registration,I have never had a plummer that I couldn't dig to or bolt and I'm pleased to say there are at least a small hardcore of lads now who are fully testing them,they,like myself are putting worker to worker in the hope of keeping a small minority working to their full potential,by the way I've kept plummer's since 1980 and kept nuttall,middleton stuff as well,I agree that 95% of plummer's will never see any serious work but don't be kidded that they are all of the same ilk,comments by ill informed people that have never even owned one or some-one that had one that was rubbish,it was rubbish because he's probably bought the first pup he come across and never bothered to find a line that was consistantly worked,they are not for hard bitten terriermen that treat dogs harsh as you will get nothing out of them,but with carefull entering they can make a decent earthdog,most have an excellent nose and are capable of much more than just earthwork,I don't keep anything over 13"tts and my dogs are always easilly spannable,the same goes for the lads that are breeding elsewhere in the country but you won't see many advertised as most are gifted among friends or swapped to improve other lines,so next time you get the urge to spout stereotypical rubbish about plummer's remember there are a small number of us that keep lines that do work and quietly go about our business,wirralman

my mates got 2 stunners working lines and thieve just had pups,sushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[gravel 63]

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one main problem is most plummers are bred for looks and not for work ...

pmsl.

[gravel 63]

and forgot to add bred for £££££££££s

Not when you get one for nowt, lol.