Ian Tomlinson

[scothunter 12,609]

What difference is one riot to another......i dont know the police tactics or scales for riot on a 1 - 10 level.........but having just seen what can happen in cities all across the Uk when riots escalate and police stand around corners hiding,i think a shove in the back was a pretty minor thing all things considered....again,we as a society grant police the authority to make judgement calls on situations we as everyday folk are not trained to.........although they will never get it 100% right every time we have to give them that authority and trust their judgement otherwise if we dont we end up with what we experienced the other week......mayhem on a national scale !

 

Also,he might of been walking away.....but come on.....we,ve all seen a smart arse,and nobody likes them........be it at football,outside a nightclub or any other place theres likely to be trouble.....

 

He didnt deserve to die but he definately deserved a shove.

Anyway,interesting subject chaps ...im off.

 

He was a newspaper seller on his way home from work, he had to walk through them streets. . . .he didn't come out to riot, he had been at work that day, how is walking away from someone, with your back to them, hands in pockets, head down, being a smart ass?

 

Just because they are the police is, does not make it ok in my eyes to say, well we have to trust them to make a judgement call etc etc etc. It's typical of them in many situations, they do nothing when there are real criminals or trouble makers to deal with, but become billy big bollocks when they have someone weaker than themselves and an easy target to pick on.

 

Like you said - real riots and they stand around the cornor hiding, a soft target and they come out batons swinging.

They won't do anything because there are to many do gooders who cant wait to jump on the bandwagon and slag them off. There are good and bad in all walks of life and ALL occupations. Squaddies get criticized when they give it some raghead who has been captured, and good on them in my book, but until you have been there, dont judge. Lots of problems with all sorts of S**t in society would be sorted, if people supported the protectors, and didnt slag them off. If a copper was caught snotting an anti, it would probably be followed by loads of cheers by many on here!

 

totally agree,i would also add that they still should be kept in check,and they need to answer to bosses like the rest of us.im sure you will agree not saying give them carte blanche.but clearly in an incident like this.he did not set out to kill that guy.any other day that guy would have walked away and be none the worst for his ordeal.in fact ill bet its not the first time he has bounced his skull of a pavement if his drinking habits are to be believed haha

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What difference is one riot to another......i dont know the police tactics or scales for riot on a 1 - 10 level.........but having just seen what can happen in cities all across the Uk when riots escalate and police stand around corners hiding,i think a shove in the back was a pretty minor thing all things considered....again,we as a society grant police the authority to make judgement calls on situations we as everyday folk are not trained to.........although they will never get it 100% right every time we have to give them that authority and trust their judgement otherwise if we dont we end up with what we experienced the other week......mayhem on a national scale !

 

Also,he might of been walking away.....but come on.....we,ve all seen a smart arse,and nobody likes them........be it at football,outside a nightclub or any other place theres likely to be trouble.....

 

He didnt deserve to die but he definately deserved a shove.

Anyway,interesting subject chaps ...im off.

 

He was a newspaper seller on his way home from work, he had to walk through them streets. . . .he didn't come out to riot, he had been at work that day, how is walking away from someone, with your back to them, hands in pockets, head down, being a smart ass?

 

Just because they are the police is, does not make it ok in my eyes to say, well we have to trust them to make a judgement call etc etc etc. It's typical of them in many situations, they do nothing when there are real criminals or trouble makers to deal with, but become billy big bollocks when they have someone weaker than themselves and an easy target to pick on.

 

Like you said - real riots and they stand around the cornor hiding, a soft target and they come out batons swinging.

They won't do anything because there are to many do gooders who cant wait to jump on the bandwagon and slag them off. There are good and bad in all walks of life and ALL occupations. Squaddies get criticized when they give it some raghead who has been captured, and good on them in my book, but until you have been there, dont judge. Lots of problems with all sorts of S**t in society would be sorted, if people supported the protectors, and didnt slag them off. If a copper was caught snotting an anti, it would probably be followed by loads of cheers by many on here!

 

I know what you are saying mate. . . . .but there is a difference between doing 'something' or doing 'your job' and acting like a bully or a thug. I hate bullies, whatever form they take.

 

R.E the soldiers - i have no issue with them giving a slap to some of those captured, but the incidents of humiliation carried out to prisoners is uneccessary and not on. Regardless of how your enemy may treat you, you need to be the bigger man, other wise how can you criticise him?

 

I don't think having blind faith, or blindly supporting the 'protectors' is the way forward, they MUST be accountable, otherwise we begin the slippery slope toward having a police force that makes it's own rules and does what it likes through force, like in many south american ./ asian countries.

[mackem 26,527]

we begin the slippery slope toward having a police force that makes it's own rules and does what it likes through force, like in many ............asian countries.

Few on this forum can appreciate such a force,I can,I have sort of inherited a relative,really nice guy,got shot in a robbery maybe 18 or 19 years back,got some decent scars,once he got out of hospital the first thing he did was deal with the guy who shot him,google Davao-death squad,I did a back-seat ride-along with them several times,saw salvage on waste ground,smelt it first,as you said this countrys cops have to have traceability and accountability,no room in a civilised society's police force for rogue cops or uniformed bully boys.

[gnasher16 30,121]

Rogue cops,bully boy police officers,batons swinging ......................the bloke was being a pain in the arse and got a little shove in the back............99 times out of a hundred the bloke would have got up gone home and got even more pissed............................a freak occurence happens and we all want to pretend its a Rodney King style battering.........you gotta keep it real !

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we begin the slippery slope toward having a police force that makes it's own rules and does what it likes through force, like in many ............asian countries.

Few on this forum can appreciate such a force,I can,I have sort of inherited a relative,really nice guy,got shot in a robbery maybe 18 or 19 years back,got some decent scars,once he got out of hospital the first thing he did was deal with the guy who shot him,google Davao-death squad,I did a back-seat ride-along with them several times,saw salvage on waste ground,smelt it first,as you said this countrys cops have to have traceability and accountability,no room in a civilised society's police force for rogue cops or uniformed bully boys.

 

DDS - Now there's an interesting group of folk. . . .

[tegater 789]

we begin the slippery slope toward having a police force that makes it's own rules and does what it likes through force, like in many ............asian countries.

Few on this forum can appreciate such a force,I can,I have sort of inherited a relative,really nice guy,got shot in a robbery maybe 18 or 19 years back,got some decent scars,once he got out of hospital the first thing he did was deal with the guy who shot him,google Davao-death squad,I did a back-seat ride-along with them several times,saw salvage on waste ground,smelt it first,as you said this countrys cops have to have traceability and accountability,no room in a civilised society's police force for rogue cops or uniformed bully boys.

Mackem. I sort of get what you are saying on this one, but we are not talking about UK police death squads, we are talking about a member of the public, who has chosen a career that not everybody wants, but is prepared to do it for whatever reason, who gets a load of s**t from some knobber (perhaps... we dont know, we weren't there..) and who says "F8ck of* " and pushes him over. I am not saying that is right but I see worse than that outside the chippy on a Friday night.

The fact that this fella died, is a tragic incident (and I use that word, and not accident) but it was not intentional.

There will be many people on this very forum, that have punched or pushed a gobsh*te, and nothing has happened.

Too many scum in society want to take it out on anybody who wears a uniform.

In Manchester, the Fire Brigade, Ambulance service and police force, all get it in certain areas, and for what reason.....?

The cops will then have to be out on the streets the next day, protecting a load of "foriegn" protesters, from getting assaulted by decent members of the public who are wanting to support our troops.

Get off your high horses everybody and put yourself in our uniformed services shoes!

[Ideation 8,216]

we begin the slippery slope toward having a police force that makes it's own rules and does what it likes through force, like in many ............asian countries.

Few on this forum can appreciate such a force,I can,I have sort of inherited a relative,really nice guy,got shot in a robbery maybe 18 or 19 years back,got some decent scars,once he got out of hospital the first thing he did was deal with the guy who shot him,google Davao-death squad,I did a back-seat ride-along with them several times,saw salvage on waste ground,smelt it first,as you said this countrys cops have to have traceability and accountability,no room in a civilised society's police force for rogue cops or uniformed bully boys.

Mackem. I sort of get what you are saying on this one, but we are not talking about UK police death squads, we are talking about a member of the public, who has chosen a career that not everybody wants, but is prepared to do it for whatever reason, who gets a load of s**t from some knobber (perhaps... we dont know, we weren't there..) and who says "F8ck of* " and pushes him over. I am not saying that is right but I see worse than that outside the chippy on a Friday night.

The fact that this fella died, is a tragic incident (and I use that word, and not accident) but it was not intentional.

There will be many people on this very forum, that have punched or pushed a gobsh*te, and nothing has happened.

Too many scum in society want to take it out on anybody who wears a uniform.

In Manchester, the Fire Brigade, Ambulance service and police force, all get it in certain areas, and for what reason.....?

The cops will then have to be out on the streets the next day, protecting a load of "foriegn" protesters, from getting assaulted by decent members of the public who are wanting to support our troops.

Get off your high horses everybody and put yourself in our uniformed services shoes!

 

You raise an interesting one. I remember living in Scotland, the kids would ambush the fire brigade with bangers, fireworks, bricks etc, could never get that. The fecking fire brigade? Aye the cops can be c**ts, but those boys are ONLY out to save lives!