Ian Tomlinson

[graham4877 1,181]

we cant start sending them off to prison everytime they get it wrong

In the past couple of years cops have been prosecuted for murder,rape,multiple-rape,child-grooming,pedophilia,theft,drug-dealing,fraud,assault,theft,the whole gamut of crimes,they make the krays look like card-carrying members of the good-citizen club,I understand what your saying gnasher,but week-in,week-out cops are prosecuted in this country for crimes,thats fact and just the way it is,the days of old when a uniform demanded respect are long gone,just watch any of the cop shows on TV to see the guys who really serve us nowadays,they are human,no better than you nor I,equally as fallible.

Harwood resigned from the force over a previous anger-related issue then joined as a civvy worker 3 days later,he isnt an angel,justice should be served.

 

well said mate, as for the bit about the shit they have to deal with , yes they have lots of it, but they know what they are getting in to before they join, and can leave anytime they want, our troops have more shit to deal with day in day out!

[gnasher16 30,121]

In the past couple of years cops have been prosecuted for murder,rape,multiple-rape,child-grooming,pedophilia,theft,drug-dealing,fraud,assault,theft,the whole gamut of crimes,they make the krays look like card-carrying members of the good-citizen club,I understand what your saying gnasher,but week-in,week-out cops are prosecuted in this country for crimes,thats fact and just the way it is,the days of old when a uniform demanded respect are long gone,just watch any of the cop shows on TV to see the guys who really serve us nowadays,they are human,no better than you nor I,equally as fallible.

Harwood resigned from the force over a previous anger-related issue then joined as a civvy worker 3 days later,he isnt an angel,justice should be served.

 

You know what im saying though mate......im talking about a human mistake or error of judgement within a mans job ( a very difficult job )........not a pre meditated criminal act..............how do you get punished for a mistake you make while at work,prison ? ( not you personally you understand )..............I say again,society grants police the authority to make judgement calls on situations we are not trained to do.....if its a genuine mistake i dont feel you can cart them off to prison.......that situation was a highly charged volatile atmosphere and the plod was too heavy handed granted.......but he was unlucky the fella died,no different to working a door and being unlucky in a similar situation.....it happens sadly.

Edited October 18, 2011 by gnasher16

[gnasher16 30,121]

well said mate, as for the bit about the shit they have to deal with , yes they have lots of it, but they know what they are getting in to before they join, and can leave anytime they want, our troops have more shit to deal with day in day out!

 

Likewise when a man turns up at a riot he knows what he is getting into and has to accept police are going to be a touch more rough than normal and rightly so..........if you dont accept that dont go to a riot or be anywhere in the vicinity of one.

[scothunter 12,609]

what that cop did was out of rder.but lets be honest here.he didnt mean to kill the guy.unfortunaetly he did die.ok the cops were all buzzing due to the riot.if anyone who has ever been in a situation like that,you will know how your mind works.ive been involved in a few mob scraps doing the door,and tbh when your psyched up like that,you tend to throw digs at anyone who gets in your way.however the guy is dead and there should be an enquiry and if he is found to be guilty then he should be punished,but lets not go overboard here shouting fr the cop to be locked up for a looong time.

as for you blan lol you never fail to amaze me mate lol "to many cops" and "lets arm ourselfs" !!

if you had your way blan,there would be many more deaths in this country.not a good thing tbh

[mackem 26,527]

The IPCC recorded 92 deaths during or following police "Contact" in 2010,thats almost 2 deaths a week involving guys like Harwood.

[mackem 26,527]

The IPCC recorded 92 deaths during or following police "Contact" in 2008/2009,thats almost 1 death a week involving guys like Harwood.

(Edited as my dates and figures were wrong,thats the problem with reading an IPCC pdf-file while eating cheesecake and drinking coffee,apologies).

[scothunter 12,609]

The IPCC recorded 92 deaths during or following police "Contact" in 2008/2009,thats almost 1 death a week involving guys like Harwood.

(Edited as my dates and figures were wrong,thats the problem with reading an IPCC pdf-file while eating cheesecake and drinking coffee,apologies).

 

ah cheesecake MMMM lol

what flavour mate

[mackem 26,527]

Its New York Vanilla,I only meant to have one slice.........

[Lab 10,979]

Wrong place wrong time......a simple push too the ground that led to a death. Basically a mistake!! So what some folk on here are saying is you should be sent to jail for a simple push out the road..f*****g hell the prisons will be filling up pretty quick then....

[scothunter 12,609]

Its New York Vanilla,I only meant to have one slice.........

 

nice lol vanilla is superb

[mackem 26,527]

a simple push too the ground that led to a death

He was struck by a baton THEN pushed to the ground lab

for a simple push out the road

It was a little bit more than that,he died of internal bleeding.

[WILF 46,834]

Modern Britain seems to have an obsession with second guessing the Police or the Army or who ever.......maybe its a hangover from the Blair era?

 

Simple, dont make a c**t of yourself and you wont get hurt!

 

Why do we have to keep saying sorry and bending over backwards to every shithouse with a claim?

 

If we are not looking for ways to put our Airborne in prison for every little thing they may have done in NI, then we are trying to put our cops in prison for doing their job?

 

Are we treating the Iraqis well enough?......lets nick a soldier?............are we paying attention to the pissheads feeling?......lets nick a cozza?

We went to Africa a couple of hundred years ago, sorry about that!.........whats that?........Slavery you say?..........yes, all our fault, very sorry!

 

The local bouncer has had to deal with a charged up 24 year old who is making threats to kill him, got a bit rough...........just not on old boy, make sure that bloke never works again!

 

If the old bill had said to any normal person that day to get the f**k out of the way, then they would have done it quick sharp.......but then again, most normal folk dont wander around pissed in a riot!

[tegater 789]

• The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end triumph of high achievement; and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those scared and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat. (Theodore Roosevelt)
  

Too many timid souls that are happy to sit in front of a screen, without knowing the situation at the time.

[mackem 26,527]

nice lol vanilla is superb

Remember the "Full-moon....Half-moon.....total-exclipse" Jaffa cake advert?This cheesecake is now quarter-moon.

 

[Lab 10,979]

a simple push too the ground that led to a death

He was struck by a baton THEN pushed to the ground lab

for a simple push out the road

It was a little bit more than that,he died of internal bleeding.

Theres clips all over You tube of people getting beaten to f**k with batons and they dont die........you could fall of the kerb tommorow and die with internal bleeding. I just dont think its right that a police officer should get hauled over the coals for basically a push...imo.