I threatened to kill someone!

[cocpops 19]

I`m a bit worried about the police! they`re coming to see me tomorrow about an incident tonight.

I went for my evening walk with my cocker spaniel as usual going round our usual route which takes about 30 mins. We`ve been doing this for about two years and midway along this route there`s a particularly good field Tara loves to go in to chase the rabbits as it has plenty of them. After 5 minutes of getting the run around from them I call her out panting and we head on our way.

This field has two horses and two Shetland ponies, which we regularly feed carrots apples and the occasional loaf of bread too as I take the grand children round this route. The animals know us and come charging up the field when we call them. At no time ever has Tara ever chased or given the animals any cause for concern!

She is a trained working cocker spaniel and I have had far to many compliments about her behaviour to mention on this.

Anyway tonight a black 4 X 4 pulls up with 3 or 4 inside and the window goes down. The driver then proceeds to swear about Tara having being in the field and I tried to mention she was trained etc causing no harm! he was having none of it! and proceeded to rant and rave.

He then drove 20 yrds turned his motor and came back.

This time he said "If I catch her in the field again I`ll Kill it"

My reaction to this was "Kill her and I`ll Kill You! "

 

Still ranting he drove off only to turn and park up on the main road watching us.

I decided to carry on our route,which took us out of site of the 4 x 4 . when we got back onto the main road the motor and an other car were back down the track road seemingly looking for us?

This is a tenant who leases the field to pursue horsey activities, and was doing so at the top of the field when we arrived.Tara never went anywhere near them.

 

I was n`t heated up or argumentative, on reflection Tara is a part of my family and if someone threatens to kill your dog is that not the same as saying I`ll kill your son/daughter. That`s why I responded the way I did.

 

I have heard of farmers shooting dogs that have been pestering live stock etc and can understand that. The truth is I did n`t realise how much she means to us until tonight.

So its a worry the police calling round, I`ve never been in trouble before so not looking forward to being interviewed.

I fully understand farmers who have had to shoot dogs that have attacked or distressed cattle/sheep and they have my sympathy, irresponsible owners should be brought before the courts.

Any comments would be welcome.

Edited May 24, 2011 by cocpops

[Bulldogman 55]

Explain the situation to the police regarding your dog in the field but do NOT admit to threatening to kill him. Ask for them to interview the other party with regards to his threatening behaviour, intimidation and abusive language. If you go down the route of "if your going to pursue me I want him pursued" then they will probably go to NO FURTHER ACTION.

 

I had an incident with a neighbour and when she tried to push for costs to er gate that I "apparently" punched a hole in I stated that I would go to court and plead not guilty, the police then decided a NFA was in order as they had too many other things to deal with.

 

Keep us posted....

[Lab 10,979]

I have a sneaky feeling that they will be coming to ask you if you have permission to be in the field with the dog running around and nothing to do with the threat. If it went exactly how you said and he threatened you first then you'll have nothing to worry about. Wouldn't mention that you said you were going to kill him.....maybe you can change the wording to something like "Aye you'll kill it?".....as you said he has witnesses so they probably heard something.......

[SportingShooter 0]

If the other person even heard the threat, they would have to believe that threat to be viable of being carried out for it to stand and if you said it to me as you describe above, I wouldn't worry.

 

The dog being in the field sounds to me as just trespass which is a civil problem, nothing to do with police or criminal law.

 

If they were that abusive as you say then they have also dropped themselves in it. Bit unreasonable to expect you to be civil when they are no reciprocal.

 

Just let them tell you what they have come to talk to you about first before saying anything.

[craigyboy 1,274]

if the filth turn up,tell em exactly what you've just told us its not against the law to threaten to kill someone,doing it is a different matter

its no different to that stuck up kunt saying he;l kill your dog

Edited May 24, 2011 by craigyboy

[Lab 10,979]

if the filth turn up,tell em exactly what you've just told us its not against the law to threaten to kill someone,doing it is a different matter

Unless the boy has just been found dead.......

[craigyboy 1,274]

if the filth turn up,tell em exactly what you've just told us its not against the law to threaten to kill someone,doing it is a different matter

Unless the boy has just been found dead.......

even so,it was no threat that killed him mate

Edited May 24, 2011 by craigyboy

[Guest Leveller]

I'm not getting into the argument as there are always two sides but I would say in the "horsey peoples" defence you should not be feeding them especialy bread

 

The owners of those horses will I'm sure love them just as much as you love your dog and they lease that ground so the horses have somewhere safe and secure to live at the end of the day, you don't know that they aren't roughing off a serious injury or recovering from a very expensive operation. You make no mention as to wether it's even a public footpath or not and just because your dog isn't chasing the horses around doesn't mean it's not causing them any stress.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot how would you feel if people entered your garden and starting feeding your dog mars bars or kebabs?

[chimp 299]

if you have a shotgun cert or firearms cert be very VERY careful what you say , soon as you admit you may of said those words ' i will kill you' you are in a world of shit and what seemed to be a rant could land you in hot water.

 

your word against his : you had an argument yes , threats made ..... no

[riohog 5,729]

well anyone with half a brain woldnt be telling the world about it .. but you have so hope your lucky!!!.

[ulverston moocher 60]

addmit nothing you had a heated disscusion end of your word against his do not addmit to any threats.

[The Seeker 3,048]

if you have a shotgun cert or firearms cert be very VERY careful what you say , soon as you admit you may of said those words ' i will kill you' you are in a world of shit and what seemed to be a rant could land you in hot water.

 

your word against his : you had an argument yes , threats made ..... no

 

Agree with this any mention of threatening to kill someone if you own fire arms or shotguns and you will end up with your license being revoked.

BE CAREFUL what you say to the plod.

[j j m 6,555]

admit nothing to the police bud,let them try to make a case against you ,good luck bud

[R. Docks 154]

While I understand that this was a bit of an over-reaction from the horse owner, you have been a little stupid.

 

Having tried to keep horses in an area where dog walkers think they can do as they please, I do have some sympathy with them.

 

Firstly, you don't know what else has happened in that area. They may have had problems with other dog walkers that you don't know about. Horses can be very highly strung, and while your dog may not bother them too much, it doesn't take much for a horse (which is very vuluable) to 'spook' and injure themselves (we had one that pulled a tendon and cost around 2k to put right).

 

Secondly, hand feeding someone elses horse is not a good idea. Horses quickly 'imprint', and if they get used to being hand fed they tend to expect it all the time, from everyone that comes near them - the result is a biting horse.

 

Feeding them bread is totally out of order as it can cause colic.

 

The 'occupier' has the right to shoot a dog that they find worrying livestock as a last resort. If they pointed that out to you then they are quite within their rights. If it was me, I would have asked you not to let your dog run in the horse field, and if you had been arsey, followed that up with a reminder of my rights as a livestock keeper.

 

You reacted to a not very diplomatic comment by threatening to kill someone; I'm sure the police will want to discuss that.

 

There are two sides to every story, and I suspect that the horse owner has had problems and could be at their wits end.

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

if the filth turn up,tell em exactly what you've just told us its not against the law to threaten to kill someone,doing it is a different matter

its no different to that stuck up kunt saying he;l kill your dog

 

Craigyboy, it is a little bit against the law mate, it's all about context though and how the other person felt when it was done etc,

 

Threats to kill.

A person who without lawful excuse makes to another a threat, intending that that other would fear it would be carried out, to kill that other or a third person shall be guilty of an offence and liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.

 

As the bloke in the 4x4 has witnesses, you'd hope they'd all be grown up about it.

 

Mr Coc-Pops, you might be best going and finding the bloke in the 4x4 and having a proper chat, it might save you from looking a right mug in front of the grand children when you next go to feed the horses. (also might be an idea to look up the difference between horses and ducks, bread?)

 

All the best.