show us where were going wrong

[millsy44 72]

Seriously tho i have to try and drive to the permissions with him sat next to me!! :sick: god knows how we havent crashed

 

Ad im fancying the range on sat/sunday to familiarise with the rifle, you in??

[Baghdadnights 150]

Only thing I'd add to the fieldcraft bit is silence even when approaching in your car keep the tunes down close the doors and boot by pushing shut not slamming conversations down to a whisper all this before you have set foot in the field bunnies eye sight might not be brilliant but it's hearing is exceptional. Atb Kev

[gurtwurz 792]

like tony says lads, try doing the static hunting and see how that goes, but if you cant resist stalking adam, then i suggest you move much slower and lower mate. watch what the rabbits doing, if its eating like it hasnt a care in the world, then SLOWLY move or crawl towards it using as much cover is available. if its ears come up or it looks like its clocked something(which would be you!) then freeze, wait for it to relax, give it a little while and move forwards again. i cant emphasize enough how slow you need to be going mate, think crippled snail speed and you'll be getting there. try doing it without your rifle and learn rabbit body language rather than just shooting first chance you get and learning nowt from the experience. you'll soon start to spot which rabbits are stalkable and which arent mate. the ears look relaxed when the rabbit is, so you can stay real low to the ground and watch just the top of a rabbits head as youre approaching and get an idea of how wary it is, if its heard or smelt you you'll see the ears pop straight up and start working like mini radar dishes, before it really wants to take a look and sits on its back legs like a dog begging. if you can keep it btween relaxed and half alert youre laughing and should be able to get close enough to take a shot.

 

keep really close to hedges,and stay as low as you possibly can, its no good walking 3 feet out from hedgerows and getting skylined, remember that youre much taller than a rabbit so they'll spot you in front of low bushes even if youre squatting, you need to be on hands and knees to close in, or crawl like a perverted worm(yes, that low!) towards em.

 

 

hope this helps a bit,

 

cheers, wurz

[smoggyadam89 2]

Seriously tho i have to try and drive to the permissions with him sat next to me!! :sick: god knows how we havent crashed

 

Ad im fancying the range on sat/sunday to familiarise with the rifle, you in??

 

I dont know how you dare sounds like a plan mate, sat will be best like

[smoggyadam89 2]

like tony says lads, try doing the static hunting and see how that goes, but if you cant resist stalking adam, then i suggest you move much slower and lower mate. watch what the rabbits doing, if its eating like it hasnt a care in the world, then SLOWLY move or crawl towards it using as much cover is available. if its ears come up or it looks like its clocked something(which would be you!) then freeze, wait for it to relax, give it a little while and move forwards again. i cant emphasize enough how slow you need to be going mate, think crippled snail speed and you'll be getting there. try doing it without your rifle and learn rabbit body language rather than just shooting first chance you get and learning nowt from the experience. you'll soon start to spot which rabbits are stalkable and which arent mate. the ears look relaxed when the rabbit is, so you can stay real low to the ground and watch just the top of a rabbits head as youre approaching and get an idea of how wary it is, if its heard or smelt you you'll see the ears pop straight up and start working like mini radar dishes, before it really wants to take a look and sits on its back legs like a dog begging. if you can keep it btween relaxed and half alert youre laughing and should be able to get close enough to take a shot.

 

keep really close to hedges,and stay as low as you possibly can, its no good walking 3 feet out from hedgerows and getting skylined, remember that youre much taller than a rabbit so they'll spot you in front of low bushes even if youre squatting, you need to be on hands and knees to close in, or crawl like a perverted worm(yes, that low!) towards em.

 

 

hope this helps a bit,

 

cheers, wurz

 

Cheers for the advice, I've never had a problem before coming across this permission but then again everywhere is completely different. Never mind though hopefully just one minor (yet frustrating) glitch and after a few confidence boosting range sessions will be hitting it again with better results

[fry 209]

its all been said really i usually stake out a place 30 yardish from where i know they like to hop out and graze from lyin down and wait. but while doing this i keep a look out through me scope for other hotspots that i am going to stake out next time. down wind allways. its been easy lately the kits out playing lull the adults into a false sense of security. and i am driving past me permissions every day on the way to work so i have a look and see which spots have the most active full grown rabbits in the morning an bag a few on way home, my problem at the mo is a few of the good spots are getting long grass for hay so i cant see the buns for grass. i only seriously stalk with the lamp but theres no need at present. i only ever take 4 at a time though. atb

[pianoman 3,587]

Craig's point about power and field craft holds a lot of truth Peter. A consistent 10 to 11.5 Ft/lbs output makes for a far sweeter accurate shooting rifle than 12 or over, quite regardless of the legal schmeagle. Fieldcraft really is as important as the rifle you shoot with.

 

But, just as importantly I think you both sound like your confidence has taken a bit of a knock. You've got the best kit anyone could buy, sorted, And yet... there are misses at what seems give-away ranges and the rabbits you see are wary as hell and they are off at the merest hint of someone being there.

 

Time for a bit of Boot Camp.

 

1. AT LEAST THRE DAYS TRAJECTORY FAMILIARISATION TRAINING.

You need to spend at least 3 full days well away from the hunting field, wringing out your rifles downrange. I mean absolutely do not go hunting until you have established a working KNOWLEDGE of exactly what your rifles are doing at all ranges and from all changes in position. You need a zero to build your accuracy back upon it. Go for 25 metres and work from there. Shoot a target at five metres distance. I'll bet you anything most guys would think hold-under is used here. Not a hope in hell! You need holdover. because the pellet has not risen into the Point Blank Range field of the scope. Therefore, the shot is going to hit a good inch or more lower than your reticle crosshair.

 

Change the angle or position from which you shoot. and at all ranges from as close as likely, to the furthest long range target. This changes the harmonics of your rifle and you need to see how much this change affects your accuracy from original zero.

 

 

2.RECCE YOUR PERMISSION THOROUGHLY.

Spend a day and night on your permission and observe the rabbits coming and going. Watch the entry and exit points of every field they use. Even note the times you see them appear. Rabbits are sociable creatures of habit. But they are not stupid. Use a day when you are not shooting to tape measure the length of the hunting field edges in 5-metre increments. This will help with fast rangefinding. When one pops out, you'll have a marker of some sort (fencepost, flower bed, stones etc.) to tell you exactly where it is from you. Good fieldcraft means convincing them you are not there and they are perfectly safe while you have their range fully understood and you know where your pellet is going to hit at that distance.

 

That should be enough to getting on with!

 

ATB

 

Simon

[millsy44 72]

Craig's point about power and field craft holds a lot of truth Peter. A consistent 10 to 11.5 Ft/lbs output makes for a far sweeter accurate shooting rifle than 12 or over, quite regardless of the legal schmeagle. Fieldcraft really is as important as the rifle you shoot with.

 

But, just as importantly I think you both sound like your confidence has taken a bit of a knock. You've got the best kit anyone could buy, sorted, And yet... there are misses at what seems give-away ranges and the rabbits you see are wary as hell and they are off at the merest hint of someone being there.

 

Time for a bit of Boot Camp.

 

1. AT LEAST THRE DAYS TRAJECTORY FAMILIARISATION TRAINING.

You need to spend at least 3 full days well away from the hunting field, wringing out your rifles downrange. I mean absolutely do not go hunting until you have established a working KNOWLEDGE of exactly what your rifles are doing at all ranges and from all changes in position. You need a zero to build your accuracy back upon it. Go for 25 metres and work from there. Shoot a target at five metres distance. I'll bet you anything most guys would think hold-under is used here. Not a hope in hell! You need holdover. because the pellet has not risen into the Point Blank Range field of the scope. Therefore, the shot is going to hit a good inch or more lower than your reticle crosshair.

 

Change the angle or position from which you shoot. and at all ranges from as close as likely, to the furthest long range target. This changes the harmonics of your rifle and you need to see how much this change affects your accuracy from original zero.

 

 

2.RECCE YOUR PERMISSION THOROUGHLY.

Spend a day and night on your permission and observe the rabbits coming and going. Watch the entry and exit points of every field they use. Even note the times you see them appear. Rabbits are sociable creatures of habit. But they are not stupid. Use a day when you are not shooting to tape measure the length of the hunting field edges in 5-metre increments. This will help with fast rangefinding. When one pops out, you'll have a marker of some sort (fencepost, flower bed, stones etc.) to tell you exactly where it is from you. Good fieldcraft means convincing them you are not there and they are perfectly safe while you have their range fully understood and you know where your pellet is going to hit at that distance.

 

That should be enough to getting on with!

 

ATB

 

Simon

Excelent reply i think weve just got abit carried away with this new permission, weve had good bags in the past (as my previous posts show) weve been overlooking a few of the basics, the last session brought us back down to earth, time to get to grips with our new bits of kit

 

Cheers simon

[markha 99]

Peter what do you expect from a brummy? ofcourse Buster is blunt, he's like most brummies/yamyams (me included) - we say it how we see it and dont suffer fools, infact I think the only things that seperate us from the Jocks is that we have a better command of the English lanuage and we are nowhere near as tight fisted (sorry to all those North of the Border, you know its not true - just like brummies and yamyams arent all thick)

[moxy 617]

Peter what do you expect from a brummy? ofcourse Buster is blunt, he's like most brummies/yamyams (me included) - we say it how we see it and dont suffer fools, infact I think the only things that seperate us from the Jocks is that we have a better command of the English lanuage and we are nowhere near as tight fisted (sorry to all those North of the Border, you know its not true - just like brummies and yamyams arent all thick)

 

A better command of the english language

[stew206 0]

The problem with all this is that he understands feildcraft is what he needs and that's why he is inviting someone along feildcraft as a word isn't gonna help him so why not do an article and tell him how to do this feildcraft you speak of or get out and show him. What type of land is your permission and how close can you get to the rabbits and also are you hunting day or night ?? I will do my best to help you in text pal

[millsy44 72]

The problem with all this is that he understands feildcraft is what he needs and that's why he is inviting someone along feildcraft as a word isn't gonna help him so why not do an article and tell him how to do this feildcraft you speak of or get out and show him. What type of land is your permission and how close can you get to the rabbits and also are you hunting day or night ?? I will do my best to help you in text pal

 

Cheers stew the lands a mixture of crops, valleys, flat fields, woodland (some managed, some wild) spinny woods, heavily bushed areas, a good mix of all really.

 

Weve tried day and night mate, and the rabbits are off at around 60 yards, ive been shooting air rifles for nearly 20 years and ive stalked rabbits to within 15ft on all my other permissions, these are totally different, clever little shits lol

 

Atb peter

[Teddd 84]

expensive rifles my arse. http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y326/ducky44/Photo015_004.jpg

you either have it or you dont http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y326/ducky44/Photo024_002.jpg

[moxy 617]

expensive rifles my arse. http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y326/ducky44/Photo015_004.jpg

you either have it or you dont http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y326/ducky44/Photo024_002.jpg

 

Oooo look at you go, big bags all the way superhero

 

not even sure if they are your pics but nevertheless, You are right, you could have a two grand rifle and it still cant make you shoot any better. Im not sure millsy is gloating at the expense of his kit, far from it. Im not sure as to the content of your comment? are you gloating? do you have it? or you hit the submit button by mistake whilst you were about to write out a great and lengthy, helpfull reply??

 

Millsy your fecked mate, youve not got the onions im afraid

[millsy44 72]

expensive rifles my arse. http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y326/ducky44/Photo015_004.jpg

you either have it or you dont http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y326/ducky44/Photo024_002.jpg

 

Oooo look at you go, big bags all the way superhero

 

not even sure if they are your pics but nevertheless, You are right, you could have a two grand rifle and it still cant make you shoot any better. Im not sure millsy is gloating at the expense of his kit, far from it. Im not sure as to the content of your comment? are you gloating? do you have it? or you hit the submit button by mistake whilst you were about to write out a great and lengthy, helpfull reply??

 

Millsy your fecked mate, youve not got the onions im afraid

Every1 can post big bag photos........ive posted my fair share in the past, and im sure lots of people have I might aswellpack in eh moxy.........lol your right mate, i wasnt gloating at all, im not like that, ive had my share of cheap rifles in the past, just like every1 else, right gun trader here i come

 

Cheers moxy

 

Atb peter