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[rolysmate 49]

technically the whippet x greyhound isn"t a lurcher its a longdog/sighthound

[riohog 5,701]

technically the whippet x greyhound isn"t a lurcher its a longdog/sighthound

 

 

any two sighthounds crossed together are known as longdogs well in the u/k they are anyway

[Guest dances]

Right but you look at say a bull and a grey and tell me they are more similar to say a red and a sika. But on the other hand look at the animals listed as hybrids and nature stops them from breeding agen so perhaps rio is correct.

[riohog 5,701]

Right but you look at say a bull and a grey and tell me they are more similar to say a red and a sika. But on the other hand look at the animals listed as hybrids and nature stops them from breeding agen so perhaps rio is correct.

it makes you think mate doesent it !!!

[Leeview 791]

Another so called expert who has no experience of the decently bred types, he seemed to forget one important point when x,ing two different types,,, Hybrid Vigour

just out of interest i just found this .. concept of hybrid vigor assumes that a crossbred animal (and this term is most often used in discussing dogs) will be healthier than a purebred. In reality, this is often false.

 

In order to be a hybrid, an animal must be the product of two different species: donkey and a horse, offspring is a mule; lion (m) and a tiger (f), offspring is a liger; tiger (m) and lion (f), offspring is a tigon; wolf and domestic dog, offspring is called a wolf hybrid. Remember high school Biology, animal classification: Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species? Each animal in the crosses mentioned share the same Family (Equus, Felis, Canis) but are different species. The offspring are hybrids. Domestic dogs are the same species familiaris. When you cross breed domestic dogs (Canis familiaris ), you are within the same species; therefore, not creating a hybrid.

Outcrossing

Scrub that last comment lol now I,ve thought about it, at the end of the day I think it has been well proven by crossing two sight hounds together the resulting progeny are more constitutionaly sound and with more intelligence than the parents, I,ve not read up on the subject for a few years but you could be right Rio whether it is Technicaly hybrid vigour

my understanding has allways been you only get hybrid vigour on a genuine first /cross of dogs of 2 different breeds . ie .. first cross collie .grey for example ..but i can understand the paragraph above in regards to the fact all canines are the same genus ,, so how can it be hybrid!! interestig !!

 

Interesting riohog regarding hybrid vigour take non ped whippets, salukixgreyhound and colliexgreyhound, they all have greyhound in there but none of them could compete with a straight greyhound imho

the non peds are faster than pure whippets but how many could hold their own against a greyhound? The salukiX widely stated this puts stamina into he greyhound IMHO it puts pace into the saluki Likewise does the colliex puts brains into the greyhound or more pace into the collie?

Y.I.S Leeview

[bunnys 1,228]

hybrid vigour interesting one this ,wellmy thoughts on this are one gets vigour by outcrossing to different lines of the same breed,there does not have to be a cross of dif types . scatter breeding keeps size strength and usually malladies away ,just my thoughts and beleifs .breeding stock of any type weather pure or cross breds of dif types vigour can be got by outcrossing to dif lines of the said breed .atb bunnys.

[bunnys 1,228]

ps when his a whippet a whippet when his a grey agrey when his a gre a grew well seen all three in the same nest .?

[riohog 5,701]

hybrid vigour interesting one this ,wellmy thoughts on this are one gets vigour by outcrossing to different lines of the same breed,there does not have to be a cross of dif types . scatter breeding keeps size strength and usually malladies away ,just my thoughts and beleifs .breeding stock of any type weather pure or cross breds of dif types vigour can be got by outcrossing to dif lines of the said breed .atb bunnys.

 

 

If inbreeding increases homozygosity, crossbreeding is its opposite and maximises heterozygosity. Crossbreeding is the mainstay of most farm animal and plant production - it takes advantage of a phenomenon which is widely talked about but poorly understood: HYBRID VIGOUR (or for the geneticists - HETEROSIS) is the term used to describe the burst of fertility, good health and growth that is seen in the progeny when two unrelated breeds are mated. The longer that these breeds have been separated, and the greater the differences between them, the stronger will be the resulting hybrid vigour.

note . two unrelated breeds!!! but they have to be the same genus you can cross a horse and donkey ,you cant x a horse and cow!!!

Edited May 21, 2011 by riohog

[romany52 313]

hybrid vigour interesting one this ,wellmy thoughts on this are one gets vigour by outcrossing to different lines of the same breed,there does not have to be a cross of dif types . scatter breeding keeps size strength and usually malladies away ,just my thoughts and beleifs .breeding stock of any type weather pure or cross breds of dif types vigour can be got by outcrossing to dif lines of the said breed .atb bunnys.

 

 

If inbreeding increases homozygosity, crossbreeding is its opposite and maximises heterozygosity. Crossbreeding is the mainstay of most farm animal and plant production - it takes advantage of a phenomenon which is widely talked about but poorly understood: HYBRID VIGOUR (or for the geneticists - HETEROSIS) is the term used to describe the burst of fertility, good health and growth that is seen in the progeny when two unrelated breeds are mated. The longer that these breeds have been separated, and the greater the differences between them, the stronger will be the resulting hybrid vigour.

note . two unrelated breeds!!!

Breeds are different branches of the same species, not different species.

[the_stig 6,614]

hybrid vigour interesting one this ,wellmy thoughts on this are one gets vigour by outcrossing to different lines of the same breed,there does not have to be a cross of dif types . scatter breeding keeps size strength and usually malladies away ,just my thoughts and beleifs .breeding stock of any type weather pure or cross breds of dif types vigour can be got by outcrossing to dif lines of the said breed .atb bunnys.

 

 

If inbreeding increases homozygosity, crossbreeding is its opposite and maximises heterozygosity. Crossbreeding is the mainstay of most farm animal and plant production - it takes advantage of a phenomenon which is widely talked about but poorly understood: HYBRID VIGOUR (or for the geneticists - HETEROSIS) is the term used to describe the burst of fertility, good health and growth that is seen in the progeny when two unrelated breeds are mated. The longer that these breeds have been separated, and the greater the differences between them, the stronger will be the resulting hybrid vigour.

note . two unrelated breeds!!! but they have to be the same genus you can cross a horse and donkey ,you cant x a horse and cow!!!

you been busy on google ..

[bunnys 1,228]

hi there rhiog yes i know and understand the hybrid vigour and hetresos in cross bred animals etc .but i think you misunderstood what i was putting across on can obtain vigour from unrelated stock of the same type .perhaps not in the amounts of say a f1 ,but genes dont work and are random seen plenty of f1 hybrids of dif species that the vigour has not come to the fore . cross to pure breds of a family line and one needs to outcross at times and look how they bloom when the outcross has taken place i would call this vigour . at bbunnys .

[riohog 5,701]

correct

hybrid vigour interesting one this ,wellmy thoughts on this are one gets vigour by outcrossing to different lines of the same breed,there does not have to be a cross of dif types . scatter breeding keeps size strength and usually malladies away ,just my thoughts and beleifs .breeding stock of any type weather pure or cross breds of dif types vigour can be got by outcrossing to dif lines of the said breed .atb bunnys.

 

 

If inbreeding increases homozygosity, crossbreeding is its opposite and maximises heterozygosity. Crossbreeding is the mainstay of most farm animal and plant production - it takes advantage of a phenomenon which is widely talked about but poorly understood: HYBRID VIGOUR (or for the geneticists - HETEROSIS) is the term used to describe the burst of fertility, good health and growth that is seen in the progeny when two unrelated breeds are mated. The longer that these breeds have been separated, and the greater the differences between them, the stronger will be the resulting hybrid vigour.

note . two unrelated breeds!!!

Breeds are different branches of the same species, not different species.

yes its possible to cross animals in of the same breed and species . canine to canine , but not canine to feline which is a different species

Edited May 21, 2011 by riohog

[BOLIO1 1,078]

Some of the best game fowl in the world are bred from a crossing of two inbred, but unrelated strains being bred together to produce what is known as a battle cross. No secret!

Terry had lurchers years ago and now runs a pest control business based on birds of prey. I've had this argument with him many times but I wish he had waited till he had some experience of saluki's or whippets before penning an article based upon theories concocted at home. He's a good lad that just allows fantasy to run away with him sometimes.

[tripletree 75]

Another so called expert who has no experience of the decently bred types, he seemed to forget one important point when x,ing two different types,,, Hybrid Vigour

just out of interest i just found this .. concept of hybrid vigor assumes that a crossbred animal (and this term is most often used in discussing dogs) will be healthier than a purebred. In reality, this is often false.

 

In order to be a hybrid, an animal must be the product of two different species: donkey and a horse, offspring is a mule; lion (m) and a tiger (f), offspring is a liger; tiger (m) and lion (f), offspring is a tigon; wolf and domestic dog, offspring is called a wolf hybrid. Remember high school Biology, animal classification: Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species? Each animal in the crosses mentioned share the same Family (Equus, Felis, Canis) but are different species. The offspring are hybrids. Domestic dogs are the same species familiaris. When you cross breed domestic dogs (Canis familiaris ), you are within the same species; therefore, not creating a hybrid.

When you cross two totally seperate species within the same genus the resulting offspring are infertile mules, Ligers , Tigons, although a wolf dog hybrid results in fertile young because they are essentially the same if you bred a horse to a mongolian wild horse the only truly wild horse. Tigers and Lions have slightly different chromosomes which means they can interbreed but the resulting offsring are infertile one of them I think the Liger produces a huge animal twice the size of both parents.

[bunnys 1,228]

Interesting this the newcolour canary we have had for some yrs the red siskin gave us this bird type and good many types and variants have evolved from them fertile hybrid on the f1.atb bunnys.