hancock pup

[johnny boy68 11,726]

was Mat the gamekeeper a big lad with a black collie cross and a white blaze called Sid??

Stoaty

No stoaty I think it was a typo and it meant to say that keeper mate.

[stoaty 171]

lol cheers for that Johnny bach thought it was my mates dog then hes a keeper

Stoaty

Edited May 21, 2011 by stoaty

[Catcher 1 639]

The man admitted he was a hypocrite.A thing iam sure were all guilty off at some time.So at least he was truthful.

[foresterj 1,096]

NEVER HAD A HANCOCK ANIMAL,BEEN DOIN IT 30YEAR THOUGH,MONITORED QUARTERLY TO KEEP A BREEDERS LICENSE YOU GOTTA BE.THAT'L BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FARMS AN COMMERCIAL BREEDERS.THE MAN GETS TREAT AS SOME TYPE OF PEDERAST ON THESE POSTS AN WHY,COS HIS STOCK 'DONT WORK',AS OPPOSED TO ALL THE WORKING?BULL,SALUKI,BEDLINGTON,KELPIE,ACD,DEERHOUND,GSD,MALINOIS,PICARDY,DUTCH SHEPHERDS,WHEATEN TERRIERS,IRISH TERRIERS,KERRY BLUE,SLOUGHI,HUSKY,MALAMUTES AND LORD KNOWS WHAT ELSE APPEAR S AS STUDS OR DAMS SUITABLE FOR WORKING LURCHERS ON HERE.WITHOUT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF THE MAN AND HIS FAMILY OR DOGS PEOPLE WOULD DO BETTER TO KEEP THA BREATH TO COOL THA CHIPS.

[torchey 1,328]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

For a stupid thread,,,you do keep on

[Ideation 8,216]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

For a stupid thread,,,you do keep on

 

 

You're right mate, i still maintain the thread is dumb, but i had no one else to argue with . . . . .

[undisputed 1,664]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

 

Well, 'bright boy', you get to know folk with decent dogs and you go and see the dam work BEFORE she is mated. Not rocket science is it mate.

 

I wasn't knocking the dogs from Hancocks kennels, if you actually read what i posted, it's just that i don't really agree with the way he produces them

 

There are understandable reasons why people buy pups from him and i have also put that in the post i made.

 

It's just not somewhere i would go if i wanted to buy a collie/grey pup.

 

As for Hancock, 'obviously doing something right', what he's doing isn't special, with a bit of land and a small initial investment, any one could produce just as many decent enough collie/grey hounds .

 

 

I never said you were knocking his dogs I only questioned your logic in seeing the parents work...this notion of checking out before the mating....and this notion that you can traverse all around the country looking at dogs before they are mated is seriously flawed....and nobody is saying the dogs are special and you wouldn't go to him and thats your choice just as it is mine and countless others who have bought a dog from him. This notion that homegrown dogs are superior is a pile of POO!

 

As for your last statement wonder why that hasn't happend.

 

Look Undi, we always seem to end up arguing, and i''m not sure why?

 

When you say 'seriously flawed' do you just mean, it's not what you would do?

 

Because in reality it's not that hard, you're going to have the dog for a decade or more, so a year or two spent getting to know folk who run that type of dog and seeing whats about working hard and what you like and what you think you could work with. You will usually come across a good working bitch or two, off which, there are plans to take a future litter.

 

You just need some effort and some patience.

 

What gets me is just peoples blind obsession that those who 'knock' hancock, think all the dogs out of his kennels are shit, and so by holding up a decent hancock dog, you are immediatly exposing their beliefs as total shit. Also they seem to think that EVERYONE but Hancock lies about what is in their dogs breeding??? Which again is total crap.

 

Not all 'homegrown' dogs are superior, you're right, but who suggested that? No one here.

 

Just some folk strive for a pup from a litter that has been thought through to the last detail and created with the best chances of success, rather than a pup off a conveyer belt, even IF the dog has a decent chance of being a good dog.

 

Just for the record, my next pup will (hopefully) be out of a dog of Hancock 'breeding', i.e a 5/8 3/8 grey/collie, bred from a 1/2 and 3/4 that came direct from Hancock, and had been well tested in the field. This bitch in turn has been well tested and will have the best stud dog possible put over her, and if that dog is out of hancocks kennels, that's fine by me.

 

Now chill out

 

 

I'm not arguing merely putting my point across....the flaw in your plan has nothing to do with whether I would or wouldn't do it the simple fact is it's not practicle. I'm willing to bet that not too many people will zig zag across the country week in week out trying to make friends with someone in the hope that they plan to breed their dog and would be willing to sell them a pup. it doesn't work like that.

 

I dont have any blind obsession about Hancock bred dogs...but I do get fed up hearing the same old crap that follows these threads everytime they pop up.

 

Totally Chilled

[Ideation 8,216]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

 

Well, 'bright boy', you get to know folk with decent dogs and you go and see the dam work BEFORE she is mated. Not rocket science is it mate.

 

I wasn't knocking the dogs from Hancocks kennels, if you actually read what i posted, it's just that i don't really agree with the way he produces them

 

There are understandable reasons why people buy pups from him and i have also put that in the post i made.

 

It's just not somewhere i would go if i wanted to buy a collie/grey pup.

 

As for Hancock, 'obviously doing something right', what he's doing isn't special, with a bit of land and a small initial investment, any one could produce just as many decent enough collie/grey hounds .

 

 

I never said you were knocking his dogs I only questioned your logic in seeing the parents work...this notion of checking out before the mating....and this notion that you can traverse all around the country looking at dogs before they are mated is seriously flawed....and nobody is saying the dogs are special and you wouldn't go to him and thats your choice just as it is mine and countless others who have bought a dog from him. This notion that homegrown dogs are superior is a pile of POO!

 

As for your last statement wonder why that hasn't happend.

 

Look Undi, we always seem to end up arguing, and i''m not sure why?

 

When you say 'seriously flawed' do you just mean, it's not what you would do?

 

Because in reality it's not that hard, you're going to have the dog for a decade or more, so a year or two spent getting to know folk who run that type of dog and seeing whats about working hard and what you like and what you think you could work with. You will usually come across a good working bitch or two, off which, there are plans to take a future litter.

 

You just need some effort and some patience.

 

What gets me is just peoples blind obsession that those who 'knock' hancock, think all the dogs out of his kennels are shit, and so by holding up a decent hancock dog, you are immediatly exposing their beliefs as total shit. Also they seem to think that EVERYONE but Hancock lies about what is in their dogs breeding??? Which again is total crap.

 

Not all 'homegrown' dogs are superior, you're right, but who suggested that? No one here.

 

Just some folk strive for a pup from a litter that has been thought through to the last detail and created with the best chances of success, rather than a pup off a conveyer belt, even IF the dog has a decent chance of being a good dog.

 

Just for the record, my next pup will (hopefully) be out of a dog of Hancock 'breeding', i.e a 5/8 3/8 grey/collie, bred from a 1/2 and 3/4 that came direct from Hancock, and had been well tested in the field. This bitch in turn has been well tested and will have the best stud dog possible put over her, and if that dog is out of hancocks kennels, that's fine by me.

 

Now chill out

 

 

I'm not arguing merely putting my point across....the flaw in your plan has nothing to do with whether I would or wouldn't do it the simple fact is it's not practicle. I'm willing to bet that not too many people will zig zag across the country week in week out trying to make friends with someone in the hope that they plan to breed their dog and would be willing to sell them a pup. it doesn't work like that.

 

I dont have any blind obsession about Hancock bred dogs...but I do get fed up hearing the same old crap that follows these threads everytime they pop up.

 

Totally Chilled

 

 

I think you slightly misunderstand.

 

If you decide you fancy a lurcher, it is often due to the fact that you have met folk with them and spent a bit of time out in the field doing it and seeing if it is for you before you rush off for a pup.

 

During this process you would hope to have met some sound folk, with good dogs, of the type you wish to run. After all, how do you know you want a certain x, if you have never seen a good one for up close?

 

Then through these people who you have served your 'apprenticeship' with, you will hopefully end up with the pup you want.

 

But then i suppose you might have to wait a fair while, for the many reasons that have been discussed.

 

I'll admit that if you decided on a whim that tomorrow you were going to go out and buy a collie x, that would probably be one of your only options. But should buying a dog really be that simple anyway?

 

P.s - i wasn't suggesting that you or anyone else has an obsession with the mans dogs, just that many who buy his dogs are 'obsessed' by the idea that those who are knocking him are knocking the quality of his dogs, rather than the quality of his methods.

 

This chilled?

 

[undisputed 1,664]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

 

Well, 'bright boy', you get to know folk with decent dogs and you go and see the dam work BEFORE she is mated. Not rocket science is it mate.

 

I wasn't knocking the dogs from Hancocks kennels, if you actually read what i posted, it's just that i don't really agree with the way he produces them

 

There are understandable reasons why people buy pups from him and i have also put that in the post i made.

 

It's just not somewhere i would go if i wanted to buy a collie/grey pup.

 

As for Hancock, 'obviously doing something right', what he's doing isn't special, with a bit of land and a small initial investment, any one could produce just as many decent enough collie/grey hounds .

 

 

I never said you were knocking his dogs I only questioned your logic in seeing the parents work...this notion of checking out before the mating....and this notion that you can traverse all around the country looking at dogs before they are mated is seriously flawed....and nobody is saying the dogs are special and you wouldn't go to him and thats your choice just as it is mine and countless others who have bought a dog from him. This notion that homegrown dogs are superior is a pile of POO!

 

As for your last statement wonder why that hasn't happend.

 

Look Undi, we always seem to end up arguing, and i''m not sure why?

 

When you say 'seriously flawed' do you just mean, it's not what you would do?

 

Because in reality it's not that hard, you're going to have the dog for a decade or more, so a year or two spent getting to know folk who run that type of dog and seeing whats about working hard and what you like and what you think you could work with. You will usually come across a good working bitch or two, off which, there are plans to take a future litter.

 

You just need some effort and some patience.

 

What gets me is just peoples blind obsession that those who 'knock' hancock, think all the dogs out of his kennels are shit, and so by holding up a decent hancock dog, you are immediatly exposing their beliefs as total shit. Also they seem to think that EVERYONE but Hancock lies about what is in their dogs breeding??? Which again is total crap.

 

Not all 'homegrown' dogs are superior, you're right, but who suggested that? No one here.

 

Just some folk strive for a pup from a litter that has been thought through to the last detail and created with the best chances of success, rather than a pup off a conveyer belt, even IF the dog has a decent chance of being a good dog.

 

Just for the record, my next pup will (hopefully) be out of a dog of Hancock 'breeding', i.e a 5/8 3/8 grey/collie, bred from a 1/2 and 3/4 that came direct from Hancock, and had been well tested in the field. This bitch in turn has been well tested and will have the best stud dog possible put over her, and if that dog is out of hancocks kennels, that's fine by me.

 

Now chill out

 

 

I'm not arguing merely putting my point across....the flaw in your plan has nothing to do with whether I would or wouldn't do it the simple fact is it's not practicle. I'm willing to bet that not too many people will zig zag across the country week in week out trying to make friends with someone in the hope that they plan to breed their dog and would be willing to sell them a pup. it doesn't work like that.

 

I dont have any blind obsession about Hancock bred dogs...but I do get fed up hearing the same old crap that follows these threads everytime they pop up.

 

Totally Chilled

 

 

I think you slightly misunderstand.

 

If you decide you fancy a lurcher, it is often due to the fact that you have met folk with them and spent a bit of time out in the field doing it and seeing if it is for you before you rush off for a pup.

 

During this process you would hope to have met some sound folk, with good dogs, of the type you wish to run. After all, how do you know you want a certain x, if you have never seen a good one for up close?

 

Then through these people who you have served your 'apprenticeship' with, you will hopefully end up with the pup you want.

 

But then i suppose you might have to wait a fair while, for the many reasons that have been discussed.

 

I'll admit that if you decided on a whim that tomorrow you were going to go out and buy a collie x, that would probably be one of your only options. But should buying a dog really be that simple anyway?

 

P.s - i wasn't suggesting that you or anyone else has an obsession with the mans dogs, just that many who buy his dogs are 'obsessed' by the idea that those who are knocking him are knocking the quality of his dogs, rather than the quality of his methods.

 

This chilled?

 

 

I think everyone that gets into running dogs or lurchers all do it for different reasons. The problem arise when they think their way is the best way and the only way and exclude any views or opinions that differ from theirs. I've done my apprenticeship and learned the hard way about listening to so called dog men....jeez I'm old enough to remember when folk thought it was ok to feed bread/milk & eggs to ferrets as their staple diet . A lot of things have changed over the years hunting wise and a lot of young folk getting into the game without having a proper grounding and just want to rack up numbers no respect for quarry or the seasons....anyway I'm rambling now so I'm off for a drink have a good one

[STUNTMAN 552]

a good mate of mine has just ordered a pup from hancocks and to all the hancock knockers heres a prediction .. this pup will end up a real good un .WHY because my mate who is buying it will put the time into it he is out every day with his dogs and lives for his dogs .this pup will be living the life a lurcher was supposed to be for.

First let me say I kept Hancock dogs for twenty years and your mate good luck with the pup. Next is no one breeding, raising or training anything has 100% track record with dogs, chickens, horses or any othe performance animal. Not a knock on your mate but you cant take turd and polish it into a diamond. Keep in mind the % of getting a "good one" out of a litter is slim or every body would have them, some are just happy with what gets them by, in fact im sure right now I have a bunch of culls and dogs that will get me "by" outside right now. My fingers are crossed I might even have a rockstar out there, but time will tell and hopeful;l your mate will put 110% into the pup and with some luck he'll get a good one. -Stunt

[Catcher 1 639]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

 

Well, 'bright boy', you get to know folk with decent dogs and you go and see the dam work BEFORE she is mated. Not rocket science is it mate.

 

I wasn't knocking the dogs from Hancocks kennels, if you actually read what i posted, it's just that i don't really agree with the way he produces them

 

There are understandable reasons why people buy pups from him and i have also put that in the post i made.

 

It's just not somewhere i would go if i wanted to buy a collie/grey pup.

 

As for Hancock, 'obviously doing something right', what he's doing isn't special, with a bit of land and a small initial investment, any one could produce just as many decent enough collie/grey hounds .

 

 

I never said you were knocking his dogs I only questioned your logic in seeing the parents work...this notion of checking out before the mating....and this notion that you can traverse all around the country looking at dogs before they are mated is seriously flawed....and nobody is saying the dogs are special and you wouldn't go to him and thats your choice just as it is mine and countless others who have bought a dog from him. This notion that homegrown dogs are superior is a pile of POO!

 

As for your last statement wonder why that hasn't happend.

 

Look Undi, we always seem to end up arguing, and i''m not sure why?

 

When you say 'seriously flawed' do you just mean, it's not what you would do?

 

Because in reality it's not that hard, you're going to have the dog for a decade or more, so a year or two spent getting to know folk who run that type of dog and seeing whats about working hard and what you like and what you think you could work with. You will usually come across a good working bitch or two, off which, there are plans to take a future litter.

 

You just need some effort and some patience.

 

What gets me is just peoples blind obsession that those who 'knock' hancock, think all the dogs out of his kennels are shit, and so by holding up a decent hancock dog, you are immediatly exposing their beliefs as total shit. Also they seem to think that EVERYONE but Hancock lies about what is in their dogs breeding??? Which again is total crap.

 

Not all 'homegrown' dogs are superior, you're right, but who suggested that? No one here.

 

Just some folk strive for a pup from a litter that has been thought through to the last detail and created with the best chances of success, rather than a pup off a conveyer belt, even IF the dog has a decent chance of being a good dog.

 

Just for the record, my next pup will (hopefully) be out of a dog of Hancock 'breeding', i.e a 5/8 3/8 grey/collie, bred from a 1/2 and 3/4 that came direct from Hancock, and had been well tested in the field. This bitch in turn has been well tested and will have the best stud dog possible put over her, and if that dog is out of hancocks kennels, that's fine by me.

 

Now chill out

 

 

I'm not arguing merely putting my point across....the flaw in your plan has nothing to do with whether I would or wouldn't do it the simple fact is it's not practicle. I'm willing to bet that not too many people will zig zag across the country week in week out trying to make friends with someone in the hope that they plan to breed their dog and would be willing to sell them a pup. it doesn't work like that.

 

I dont have any blind obsession about Hancock bred dogs...but I do get fed up hearing the same old crap that follows these threads everytime they pop up.

 

Totally Chilled

 

 

I think you slightly misunderstand.

 

If you decide you fancy a lurcher, it is often due to the fact that you have met folk with them and spent a bit of time out in the field doing it and seeing if it is for you before you rush off for a pup.

 

During this process you would hope to have met some sound folk, with good dogs, of the type you wish to run. After all, how do you know you want a certain x, if you have never seen a good one for up close?

 

Then through these people who you have served your 'apprenticeship' with, you will hopefully end up with the pup you want.

 

But then i suppose you might have to wait a fair while, for the many reasons that have been discussed.

 

I'll admit that if you decided on a whim that tomorrow you were going to go out and buy a collie x, that would probably be one of your only options. But should buying a dog really be that simple anyway?

 

P.s - i wasn't suggesting that you or anyone else has an obsession with the mans dogs, just that many who buy his dogs are 'obsessed' by the idea that those who are knocking him are knocking the quality of his dogs, rather than the quality of his methods.

 

This chilled?

 

 

I think everyone that gets into running dogs or lurchers all do it for different reasons. The problem arise when they think their way is the best way and the only way and exclude any views or opinions that differ from theirs. I've done my apprenticeship and learned the hard way about listening to so called dog men....jeez I'm old enough to remember when folk thought it was ok to feed bread/milk & eggs to ferrets as their staple diet . A lot of things have changed over the years hunting wise and a lot of young folk getting into the game without having a proper grounding and just want to rack up numbers no respect for quarry or the seasons....anyway I'm rambling now so I'm off for a drink have a good one

 

Good reply Undi.

[Ideation 8,216]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

 

Well, 'bright boy', you get to know folk with decent dogs and you go and see the dam work BEFORE she is mated. Not rocket science is it mate.

 

I wasn't knocking the dogs from Hancocks kennels, if you actually read what i posted, it's just that i don't really agree with the way he produces them

 

There are understandable reasons why people buy pups from him and i have also put that in the post i made.

 

It's just not somewhere i would go if i wanted to buy a collie/grey pup.

 

As for Hancock, 'obviously doing something right', what he's doing isn't special, with a bit of land and a small initial investment, any one could produce just as many decent enough collie/grey hounds .

 

 

I never said you were knocking his dogs I only questioned your logic in seeing the parents work...this notion of checking out before the mating....and this notion that you can traverse all around the country looking at dogs before they are mated is seriously flawed....and nobody is saying the dogs are special and you wouldn't go to him and thats your choice just as it is mine and countless others who have bought a dog from him. This notion that homegrown dogs are superior is a pile of POO!

 

As for your last statement wonder why that hasn't happend.

 

Look Undi, we always seem to end up arguing, and i''m not sure why?

 

When you say 'seriously flawed' do you just mean, it's not what you would do?

 

Because in reality it's not that hard, you're going to have the dog for a decade or more, so a year or two spent getting to know folk who run that type of dog and seeing whats about working hard and what you like and what you think you could work with. You will usually come across a good working bitch or two, off which, there are plans to take a future litter.

 

You just need some effort and some patience.

 

What gets me is just peoples blind obsession that those who 'knock' hancock, think all the dogs out of his kennels are shit, and so by holding up a decent hancock dog, you are immediatly exposing their beliefs as total shit. Also they seem to think that EVERYONE but Hancock lies about what is in their dogs breeding??? Which again is total crap.

 

Not all 'homegrown' dogs are superior, you're right, but who suggested that? No one here.

 

Just some folk strive for a pup from a litter that has been thought through to the last detail and created with the best chances of success, rather than a pup off a conveyer belt, even IF the dog has a decent chance of being a good dog.

 

Just for the record, my next pup will (hopefully) be out of a dog of Hancock 'breeding', i.e a 5/8 3/8 grey/collie, bred from a 1/2 and 3/4 that came direct from Hancock, and had been well tested in the field. This bitch in turn has been well tested and will have the best stud dog possible put over her, and if that dog is out of hancocks kennels, that's fine by me.

 

Now chill out

 

 

I'm not arguing merely putting my point across....the flaw in your plan has nothing to do with whether I would or wouldn't do it the simple fact is it's not practicle. I'm willing to bet that not too many people will zig zag across the country week in week out trying to make friends with someone in the hope that they plan to breed their dog and would be willing to sell them a pup. it doesn't work like that.

 

I dont have any blind obsession about Hancock bred dogs...but I do get fed up hearing the same old crap that follows these threads everytime they pop up.

 

Totally Chilled

 

 

I think you slightly misunderstand.

 

If you decide you fancy a lurcher, it is often due to the fact that you have met folk with them and spent a bit of time out in the field doing it and seeing if it is for you before you rush off for a pup.

 

During this process you would hope to have met some sound folk, with good dogs, of the type you wish to run. After all, how do you know you want a certain x, if you have never seen a good one for up close?

 

Then through these people who you have served your 'apprenticeship' with, you will hopefully end up with the pup you want.

 

But then i suppose you might have to wait a fair while, for the many reasons that have been discussed.

 

I'll admit that if you decided on a whim that tomorrow you were going to go out and buy a collie x, that would probably be one of your only options. But should buying a dog really be that simple anyway?

 

P.s - i wasn't suggesting that you or anyone else has an obsession with the mans dogs, just that many who buy his dogs are 'obsessed' by the idea that those who are knocking him are knocking the quality of his dogs, rather than the quality of his methods.

 

This chilled?

 

 

I think everyone that gets into running dogs or lurchers all do it for different reasons. The problem arise when they think their way is the best way and the only way and exclude any views or opinions that differ from theirs. I've done my apprenticeship and learned the hard way about listening to so called dog men....jeez I'm old enough to remember when folk thought it was ok to feed bread/milk & eggs to ferrets as their staple diet . A lot of things have changed over the years hunting wise and a lot of young folk getting into the game without having a proper grounding and just want to rack up numbers no respect for quarry or the seasons....anyway I'm rambling now so I'm off for a drink have a good one

 

[billy bronk 76]

hope it goes well for him.with a good master behind it,it should come good

[poacher3161 1,766]

Wat made lads go to hancock in the early days [bANNED TEXT] most lurchers were bred from workers by people breeding not for profit .

[blue moon 2]

a good mate of mine has just ordered a pup from hancocks and to all the hancock knockers heres a prediction .. this pup will end up a real good un .WHY because my mate who is buying it will put the time into it he is out every day with his dogs and lives for his dogs .this pup will be living the life a lurcher was supposed to be for.

how can u say that looked at some of your coments on here thought you were clever man but u have surely lost plot