hancock pup

[toby1066 413]

hancock mainly uses ex track greyhound dams to collie or collie/grey sires so there should be no excuses for the sires not working

Edited May 21, 2011 by toby1066

[undisputed 1,664]

a good mate of mine has just ordered a pup from hancocks and to all the hancock knockers heres a prediction .. this pup will end up a real good un .WHY because my mate who is buying it will put the time into it he is out every day with his dogs and lives for his dogs .this pup will be living the life a lurcher was supposed to be for.

 

Can you tell me tomorrow winning lottery numbers too? I predict that anybody who thinks its fine to churn out pups for profit from dogs that never see a lamp/ferret or outside of a yard for that matter is not the sort of person whos thoughts mirror my own...........

 

I find it really disconcerting that on another post on another THL subform someone asked the owner of a bull x if he'd used the dog on Pakis yet?!?1 Yeah that's right "have you used it on Pakis yet" sets a great example eh? Totally shocking that!!!! What's even more unsettling is that it brought no howls of displeasure, derision or other anti-racist comments. And even though reported as offensive and unacceptable it's stil there. But yet a man making a living - which lets face it he's perfectly entitled to do and let's doubly face it, he's pretty good at as he's been doing it for almost 30 years - get a serious amount of shit on a weekly basis. f*****g good job he doesn't descend from the Asian Continent!!!

 

THL is a funny old place when it comes to Hancock Threads.

[undisputed 1,664]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

OOhhh get you..........got up a bit grumpy this morning, meals on wheels late with your breakfast? :tongue2:

 

I'm still in bed you fanny

[whippet 99 2,613]

blah blah, dum mothers, if you dont agree with what hancock does dont go, end of. the mans doing something right, these threads are just arguments , not debates . personally ive heard more good dogs than bad, i think with his breeding they wont be far wrong as rabbiting dogs, hes found a market that works same as mike brown . if he could work them like mb all the better. at the end of the day its all money oreintated.

[TOMO 26,252]

a good mate of mine has just ordered a pup from hancocks and to all the hancock knockers heres a prediction .. this pup will end up a real good un .WHY because my mate who is buying it will put the time into it he is out every day with his dogs and lives for his dogs .this pup will be living the life a lurcher was supposed to be for.

 

I PREDICT,, that if this dog turns out good we will hear about it on here in the future of you.

 

i also predict if it turns out shit,,, we wont here another thing

[boyo 1,398]

tomo you obviously dont know me or my mate you will hear whichever way it turns out no problem at all.but no matter if it was top class the anti hancock brigade would still be giving it big no nos. but whichever way it turns out it will be there with his other workers untill it dies of old age .

[stewie 3,387]

wish I had a crystal ball that could predict every pup from a kennel was going to be great just because the owner put the time in will it still be great if it has behaviour problems or yapps its tits off chasing a bunny or applys the abs on a winter big rabbit. whos fault will it be then? by your theory it must be the owner's if its the man behind the dog that makes the dog and nothing else. right?

WOW where the f**k did that come from :icon_eek: good post toby

[Ideation 8,216]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

 

Well, 'bright boy', you get to know folk with decent dogs and you go and see the dam work BEFORE she is mated. Not rocket science is it mate.

 

I wasn't knocking the dogs from Hancocks kennels, if you actually read what i posted, it's just that i don't really agree with the way he produces them

 

There are understandable reasons why people buy pups from him and i have also put that in the post i made.

 

It's just not somewhere i would go if i wanted to buy a collie/grey pup.

 

As for Hancock, 'obviously doing something right', what he's doing isn't special, with a bit of land and a small initial investment, any one could produce just as many decent enough collie/grey hounds .

 

[undisputed 1,664]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

 

Well, 'bright boy', you get to know folk with decent dogs and you go and see the dam work BEFORE she is mated. Not rocket science is it mate.

 

I wasn't knocking the dogs from Hancocks kennels, if you actually read what i posted, it's just that i don't really agree with the way he produces them

 

There are understandable reasons why people buy pups from him and i have also put that in the post i made.

 

It's just not somewhere i would go if i wanted to buy a collie/grey pup.

 

As for Hancock, 'obviously doing something right', what he's doing isn't special, with a bit of land and a small initial investment, any one could produce just as many decent enough collie/grey hounds .

 

 

I never said you were knocking his dogs I only questioned your logic in seeing the parents work...this notion of checking out before the mating....and this notion that you can traverse all around the country looking at dogs before they are mated is seriously flawed....and nobody is saying the dogs are special and you wouldn't go to him and thats your choice just as it is mine and countless others who have bought a dog from him. This notion that homegrown dogs are superior is a pile of POO!

 

As for your last statement wonder why that hasn't happend.

[Ideation 8,216]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

 

Well, 'bright boy', you get to know folk with decent dogs and you go and see the dam work BEFORE she is mated. Not rocket science is it mate.

 

I wasn't knocking the dogs from Hancocks kennels, if you actually read what i posted, it's just that i don't really agree with the way he produces them

 

There are understandable reasons why people buy pups from him and i have also put that in the post i made.

 

It's just not somewhere i would go if i wanted to buy a collie/grey pup.

 

As for Hancock, 'obviously doing something right', what he's doing isn't special, with a bit of land and a small initial investment, any one could produce just as many decent enough collie/grey hounds .

 

 

I never said you were knocking his dogs I only questioned your logic in seeing the parents work...this notion of checking out before the mating....and this notion that you can traverse all around the country looking at dogs before they are mated is seriously flawed....and nobody is saying the dogs are special and you wouldn't go to him and thats your choice just as it is mine and countless others who have bought a dog from him. This notion that homegrown dogs are superior is a pile of POO!

 

As for your last statement wonder why that hasn't happend.

 

Look Undi, we always seem to end up arguing, and i''m not sure why?

 

When you say 'seriously flawed' do you just mean, it's not what you would do?

 

Because in reality it's not that hard, you're going to have the dog for a decade or more, so a year or two spent getting to know folk who run that type of dog and seeing whats about working hard and what you like and what you think you could work with. You will usually come across a good working bitch or two, off which, there are plans to take a future litter.

 

You just need some effort and some patience.

 

What gets me is just peoples blind obsession that those who 'knock' hancock, think all the dogs out of his kennels are shit, and so by holding up a decent hancock dog, you are immediatly exposing their beliefs as total shit. Also they seem to think that EVERYONE but Hancock lies about what is in their dogs breeding??? Which again is total crap.

 

Not all 'homegrown' dogs are superior, you're right, but who suggested that? No one here.

 

Just some folk strive for a pup from a litter that has been thought through to the last detail and created with the best chances of success, rather than a pup off a conveyer belt, even IF the dog has a decent chance of being a good dog.

 

Just for the record, my next pup will (hopefully) be out of a dog of Hancock 'breeding', i.e a 5/8 3/8 grey/collie, bred from a 1/2 and 3/4 that came direct from Hancock, and had been well tested in the field. This bitch in turn has been well tested and will have the best stud dog possible put over her, and if that dog is out of hancocks kennels, that's fine by me.

 

Now chill out

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

 

Well, 'bright boy', you get to know folk with decent dogs and you go and see the dam work BEFORE she is mated. Not rocket science is it mate.

 

I wasn't knocking the dogs from Hancocks kennels, if you actually read what i posted, it's just that i don't really agree with the way he produces them

 

There are understandable reasons why people buy pups from him and i have also put that in the post i made.

 

It's just not somewhere i would go if i wanted to buy a collie/grey pup.

 

As for Hancock, 'obviously doing something right', what he's doing isn't special, with a bit of land and a small initial investment, any one could produce just as many decent enough collie/grey hounds .

 

 

I never said you were knocking his dogs I only questioned your logic in seeing the parents work...this notion of checking out before the mating....and this notion that you can traverse all around the country looking at dogs before they are mated is seriously flawed....and nobody is saying the dogs are special and you wouldn't go to him and thats your choice just as it is mine and countless others who have bought a dog from him. This notion that homegrown dogs are superior is a pile of POO!

 

As for your last statement wonder why that hasn't happend.

 

One guy put on a post about three weeks ago looking for a litter of 3/4 collie greyhounds and he had no replies whatsoever. There's thousands of members on this site from all parts of the country and no one was able to give him a leg up on his search to find a pup. So my thinking is that there's either not many littlers of collie greyhounds out there or they're all sold as soon to local friends and contacts? I think that's part of the reason that Hancock is as busy year in year out.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Its ok everybody saying get a dog from workers but where are these litters to?You don't see well bred litters of collie/greys advertised like I said in a post earlier most litters are spoken for before they hit the ground.

 

@ Ideation,Jai its all well and good saying look for a litter off workers IF I wasn't lining my bitch where would you go to source a pup?Litters of collie/greys ain't bred as willy-nilly as some other breeds........its hard enough finding a good proven stud let alone a good proven litter as you know.

 

I wouldn't really know what the pups coming from hancocks are like at this time as I've not had or worked any from there for a good few years now.........I was lucky my mate had 2 hancock dogs that were tried and tested and then lined to produce the litter my bitch came from.I'm hoping to breed her now to a 3/4 then keep a pup back and carry on with working stock.

[Ideation 8,216]

Its ok everybody saying get a dog from workers but where are these litters to?You don't see well bred litters of collie/greys advertised like I said in a post earlier most litters are spoken for before they hit the ground.

 

@ Ideation,Jai its all well and good saying look for a litter off workers IF I wasn't lining my bitch where would you go to source a pup?Litters of collie/greys ain't bred as willy-nilly as some other breeds........its hard enough finding a good proven stud let alone a good proven litter as you know.

 

I wouldn't really know what the pups coming from hancocks are like at this time as I've not had or worked any from there for a good few years now.........I was lucky my mate had 2 hancock dogs that were tried and tested and then lined to produce the litter my bitch came from.I'm hoping to breed her now to a 3/4 then keep a pup back and carry on with working stock.

 

 

That IS true, it's a bit of a Catch 22, if your new to it and don't know any one, your a bit screwed, or at least it takes a lot longer.

 

Simple answer is, if you were not lining Gem, it'd take a lot longer for me to find the pup i wanted, but i'm sure with enough feelers out for long enough, something good would come up, it usually does (Can't beat optimism). Just might have to put in some time and miles.

 

Think about that guy we met at the show with the collie/greys, or that Keeper mat, with one? Or the guy with that stud dog? They are out there, and your right, they are kept quiet, and pups are usually spoken for before they hit the deck, but if your a sound, sensible bloke (who, me???) and you put the time and effort into getting to know folk, then people will usually see you right???

 

But thank f**k you are is all i can say!

 

P.S - Borderscot - he found one though, didn't he!

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

Its ok everybody saying get a dog from workers but where are these litters to?You don't see well bred litters of collie/greys advertised like I said in a post earlier most litters are spoken for before they hit the ground.

 

@ Ideation,Jai its all well and good saying look for a litter off workers IF I wasn't lining my bitch where would you go to source a pup?Litters of collie/greys ain't bred as willy-nilly as some other breeds........its hard enough finding a good proven stud let alone a good proven litter as you know.

 

I wouldn't really know what the pups coming from hancocks are like at this time as I've not had or worked any from there for a good few years now.........I was lucky my mate had 2 hancock dogs that were tried and tested and then lined to produce the litter my bitch came from.I'm hoping to breed her now to a 3/4 then keep a pup back and carry on with working stock.

 

 

That IS true, it's a bit of a Catch 22, if your new to it and don't know any one, your a bit screwed, or at least it takes a lot longer.

 

Simple answer is, if you were not lining Gem, it'd take a lot longer for me to find the pup i wanted, but i'm sure with enough feelers out for long enough, something good would come up, it usually does (Can't beat optimism). Just might have to put in some time and miles.

 

Think about that guy we met at the show with the collie/greys, or that Keeper mat, with one? Or the guy with that stud dog? They are out there, and your right, they are kept quiet, and pups are usually spoken for before they hit the deck, but if your a sound, sensible bloke (who, me???) and you put the time and effort into getting to know folk, then people will usually see you right???

 

But thank f**k you are is all i can say!

 

P.S - Borderscot - he found one though, didn't he!

 

Yeah, fair comment - he found one! He was hardly innundated with offers of what he was looking for though was he? But on the other hand had he been looking for greyhound x'ed deerhound/saluki/bull/beddie or malamute for that matter he'd've been snowed under with allsorts. You very rarely see litters of genuine 1/2 or 3/4 bred c/greys advertised on here or CMW. And if you're not interested in being part of the 'dog scene' and some of the best dogs I've ever seen have belonged to guys who are totally 'non-scene - it's harder to lay your hands on the genuine article.

[stoaty 171]

was Mat the gamekeeper a big lad with a black collie cross and a white blaze called Sid??

Stoaty