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As I have not visited his kennels, those that have please enlightening me, how much work do the stud Dogs, and brood bitches see, how much exercise do they get daily,, and how much socialising do the pups receive?

mate i cant answer on the first two but the pup i got was well socialised it came through the door an was bouncing out of its skin after traveling for a day in the back of a van on the boat. id like nothing better to get the dig into some c**t taking money off me but if i did i would be a liar. theirs idiots breeding litters of pups and they dont even no what way their own dog is bred

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Main motivators for visiting Hancocks for a puppy -   - Don't know many folk in the dog game, or any with any decent collie lurchers.   - Don't trust people in the dog game and assume you will be

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You get plenty of bad dogs from working parents because they haven't been raised and trained correctly   You also get plenty of decent dogs from non working parents because they have had the trainin

The trouble with buying lurchers is you don't really know what your buying, first you've got the liars who will tell you whatever they think you want to here concerning the breeds involved. But what about the genuine lads you might ask, most of them will have bought from liars in the past. Then when crosses get complicated you've got honest mistakes, so all in all it's easy to see why someone might go to the likes of Hancock. It's not easy these days to find lurchers without bull in them somewhere for instance and how many crosses does it take before some of the breeds get dropped just for the sake of convenience. If you are after a certain mix, it's a minefield. Mike.

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Their collie hybreds.In the early days it was rare to read a bad word about them that made some me included more suspiciouse about them.I saw one run out of the first litter to be bred out of hancocks place and realised despite all the tales and bullshit they were no better than any other lurchers being bred that did not get all the publicity.I honestly think anybody who does get a dog of his breeding and makes it into a good dog can honestly say hes a notch above most of the buy em and sellem brigade.

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Their collie hybreds.In the early days it was rare to read a bad word about them that made some me included more suspiciouse about them.I saw one run out of the first litter to be bred out of hancocks place and realised despite all the tales and bullshit they were no better than any other lurchers being bred that did not get all the publicity.I honestly think anybody who does get a dog of his breeding and makes it into a good dog can honestly say hes a notch above most of the buy em and sellem brigade.

his early stuff was decent,but the stuff he breeds now is a gamble,nothing has been out the yard for 20yrs,the dogs are kept in shit conditions and why take the chance on a second rate dog when you can buy off a worker to worker,you lads that had good collie/grey crosses are living in the past and only remember the halcyon days when the dogs where tested properly,I myself owned dogs off fathom,merle,chuckles and tested them to the full on all quarry,but the dogs he breeds now are not in the same class,I'm sorry but its all about money now,wirralman Edited by wirral countryman
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Their collie hybreds.In the early days it was rare to read a bad word about them that made some me included more suspiciouse about them.I saw one run out of the first litter to be bred out of hancocks place and realised despite all the tales and bullshit they were no better than any other lurchers being bred that did not get all the publicity.I honestly think anybody who does get a dog of his breeding and makes it into a good dog can honestly say hes a notch above most of the buy em and sellem brigade.

his early stuff was decent,but the stuff he breeds now is a gamble,nothing has been out the yard for 20yrs,the dogs are kept in shit conditions and why take the chance on a second rate dog when you can buy off a worker to worker,you lads that had good collie/grey crosses are living in the past and only remember the halcyon days when the dogs where tested properly,I myself owned dogs off fathom,merle,chuckles and tested them to the full on all quarry,but the dogs he breeds now are not in the same class,I'm sorry but its all about money now,wirralman

i have to agree, why don't you buy a pup from working parents that's doing a bit ? rather than go by a name !
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Their collie hybreds.In the early days it was rare to read a bad word about them that made some me included more suspiciouse about them.I saw one run out of the first litter to be bred out of hancocks place and realised despite all the tales and bullshit they were no better than any other lurchers being bred that did not get all the publicity.I honestly think anybody who does get a dog of his breeding and makes it into a good dog can honestly say hes a notch above most of the buy em and sellem brigade.

his early stuff was decent,but the stuff he breeds now is a gamble,nothing has been out the yard for 20yrs,the dogs are kept in shit conditions and why take the chance on a second rate dog when you can buy off a worker to worker,you lads that had good collie/grey crosses are living in the past and only remember the halcyon days when the dogs where tested properly,I myself owned dogs off fathom,merle,chuckles and tested them to the full on all quarry,but the dogs he breeds now are not in the same class,I'm sorry but its all about money now,wirralman

The only fault i had in the early days he was peddling his 3 quarter breds as coursing dogs and plummer through his writeings was trying to make out they were some thing special to boost sales.

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Thats true and plummer was full of sh*t :yes:

I have to agree as I met the man on many occassions and also got my first plummer terrier's off him in 1980 and he made it up as he went along,if it could sell books then he included it in,but the early Hancock lurcher's were very good,I had 3/4 crosses and 5/8 and they all punched above their weight,Phil LLoyd (Chalkwarren) lamped with Sally in those day's and tested the stud dogs,but nowaday's its any old stud dog to any failed track dog,you can say it any way you like but the dogs are all second rate,you will still get the odd dog that does well in spite of the breeding but a good worker to worker will always give you a better chance of the right outcome,have a look at the dogs Chalkwarren runs himself these day's and you will see there is no Hancock influence,wake up and stop getting fooled by history,these dogs are not in the same class as his early stuff,atb,wirralman

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Let your mate be careful picking his pup Hancock does produce the odd belter but i have seen some of his dogs that were too big and ungainly to catch anything some of the 3/4 he used to produce were no better than greys he sold a lad one cheap in our village a couple of years back it had a half length tail and couldnt catch a rat in a phonebox useless thing he let the lad have him cheap cos of the tail it should have been pts.

Had a half bed bitch off of him there was about seven litters to choose from at that time i chose her as she was the only one i fancied on the yard he let me take her at 4 and a half weeks as i wasnt going back again she was a decent bitch caught shed loads of rabbits in the five seasons i had her would i have another no i dont think i would theres better lines out there than his but best of luck to your pal if he knows his dogs he should be ok :thumbs:

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a good mate of mine has just ordered a pup from hancocks and to all the hancock knockers heres a prediction .. this pup will end up a real good un .WHY because my mate who is buying it will put the time into it he is out every day with his dogs and lives for his dogs .this pup will be living the life a lurcher was supposed to be for.

the title says prediction...is this some sort of bet hes had trying to say that a good dog man can turn a pup out of none workers into a good dog..maybe he can but how good ..some people might be be happy with an average dog ...but why take that risk .??why not get a well bred lurcher to lurcher that the parents have seen a few seasons under there belts.and maximise his chances instead of minimise them,.seems a bit of an ego trip to me..seems a shame really ..theres genuine people out there thats breeding for a pup for themsevles out of good stuff and your mate decides to got to netto for one ...i suppose its everybody to there own.....not for me iam affraid ..
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What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply :whistling: ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

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What a stupid f*****g thread.

 

Yet you still feel compelled to reply :whistling: ....tell me this bright boy how would you get to see the dam working? If she's not long whelped she will hardly be fit enough to take out for a demo will she.

 

OOhhh get you..........got up a bit grumpy this morning, meals on wheels late with your breakfast? :tongue2: :tongue2:

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