R. Docks 154 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 alright last night after walking my dogs from the local park i come onto my estate and a stray dog follows me then when i go to put one of my dogs in shed and feed her i hear loads ov screaming i go out and a brown lurcher is killin the woman over the roads cat then she asks if they mine i say no the dog follows me so she rings police and say it was my 2 dogs it wasnt my dogs nor where they even the same colour as my dogs take it they didnt no yet how far she wanted to take it they didnt no yet how far she wanted to take it??? does [NO TEXT TALK] no how far she can take it? Cats don't come under the law for damage to property as they are not legally classed as property, whatever the owner might think. The law regarding property and animals dates back to the times when all 'pets' were working animals upon which a value could be put and therefore a loss incurred. However, cats were never working animals, therefore had no working or legal value and are not included in the property laws. The only thing you can be done for is if you allowed an animal (unless a pest or hunted animal) to suffer unnecessarily. Mind you, you can get out of that one by proving it died quickly and without suffering. Remember, the is a law for animal cruelty, not animal killing (unless it is a dog or livestock). Anyway, your dog didn't kill the cat anyway, so case closed. The police have got muggers and villains to catch, they ain't gonna pull your lurcher in for a line up Don't worry about it, have a beer! WRONG! Cats ARE classified as property, and any owner who suffers damage or loss has the legal right to claim compensation. The crime of criminal damage is also committed if any person sets out with the 'intent' to damage another persons property - including cats. The owners of cats however cannot be held liable for any loss or damage they inflict. That is UK LAW. You are quoting US law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomm Parr 30 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 alright last night after walking my dogs from the local park i come onto my estate and a stray dog follows me then when i go to put one of my dogs in shed and feed her i hear loads ov screaming i go out and a brown lurcher is killin the woman over the roads cat then she asks if they mine i say no the dog follows me so she rings police and say it was my 2 dogs it wasnt my dogs nor where they even the same colour as my dogs take it they didnt no yet how far she wanted to take it they didnt no yet how far she wanted to take it??? does [NO TEXT TALK] no how far she can take it? Cats don't come under the law for damage to property as they are not legally classed as property, whatever the owner might think. The law regarding property and animals dates back to the times when all 'pets' were working animals upon which a value could be put and therefore a loss incurred. However, cats were never working animals, therefore had no working or legal value and are not included in the property laws. The only thing you can be done for is if you allowed an animal (unless a pest or hunted animal) to suffer unnecessarily. Mind you, you can get out of that one by proving it died quickly and without suffering. Remember, the is a law for animal cruelty, not animal killing (unless it is a dog or livestock). Anyway, your dog didn't kill the cat anyway, so case closed. The police have got muggers and villains to catch, they ain't gonna pull your lurcher in for a line up Don't worry about it, have a beer! WRONG! Cats ARE classified as property, and any owner who suffers damage or loss has the legal right to claim compensation. The crime of criminal damage is also committed if any person sets out with the 'intent' to damage another persons property - including cats. The owners of cats however cannot be held liable for any loss or damage they inflict. That is UK LAW. You are quoting US law. Well, well well... R.Docks seemed so convinced that i was wrong (the excessively large text... ) that I have just checked up on this..... and found out that R.Docks is correct and i have been thinking the wrong thing for 20 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cats have been considered as property since the 1971 Animal Welfare act. I am pretty shocked as my local Bobby told me that they weren't property when I was a boy and i have thought that (and acted accordingly... ) ever since! You learn something new every day. However, the law only covers the actions/intentions of humans and not the actions/intentions of animals. If your dog did kill a cat that got into your garden/land, then as long as you weren't witnessed to instruct or emcourage the dog, the law on cruelty and criminal damage probably doesn't apply. I think... though i am ready to be corrected if need be.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 alright last night after walking my dogs from the local park i come onto my estate and a stray dog follows me then when i go to put one of my dogs in shed and feed her i hear loads ov screaming i go out and a brown lurcher is killin the woman over the roads cat then she asks if they mine i say no the dog follows me so she rings police and say it was my 2 dogs it wasnt my dogs nor where they even the same colour as my dogs take it they didnt no yet how far she wanted to take it they didnt no yet how far she wanted to take it??? does [NO TEXT TALK] no how far she can take it? Cats don't come under the law for damage to property as they are not legally classed as property, whatever the owner might think. The law regarding property and animals dates back to the times when all 'pets' were working animals upon which a value could be put and therefore a loss incurred. However, cats were never working animals, therefore had no working or legal value and are not included in the property laws. The only thing you can be done for is if you allowed an animal (unless a pest or hunted animal) to suffer unnecessarily. Mind you, you can get out of that one by proving it died quickly and without suffering. Remember, the is a law for animal cruelty, not animal killing (unless it is a dog or livestock). Anyway, your dog didn't kill the cat anyway, so case closed. The police have got muggers and villains to catch, they ain't gonna pull your lurcher in for a line up Don't worry about it, have a beer! WRONG! Cats ARE classified as property, and any owner who suffers damage or loss has the legal right to claim compensation. The crime of criminal damage is also committed if any person sets out with the 'intent' to damage another persons property - including cats. The owners of cats however cannot be held liable for any loss or damage they inflict. That is UK LAW. You are quoting US law. Well, well well... R.Docks seemed so convinced that i was wrong (the excessively large text... ) that I have just checked up on this..... and found out that R.Docks is correct and i have been thinking the wrong thing for 20 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cats have been considered as property since the 1971 Animal Welfare act. I am pretty shocked as my local Bobby told me that they weren't property when I was a boy and i have thought that (and acted accordingly... ) ever since! You learn something new every day. However, the law only covers the actions/intentions of humans and not the actions/intentions of animals. If your dog did kill a cat that got into your garden/land, then as long as you weren't witnessed to instruct or emcourage the dog, the law on cruelty and criminal damage probably doesn't apply. I think... though i am ready to be corrected if need be.... Great posts lads, even makes law interesting, for once,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 i remember a good few years ago,i was racing the greyhounds one night,now normally my mother had nothing to do with the dogs,but i asked her when i was away to feed the two dogs left in the kennel.all she had to do was put thier bowls in.which she did but didnt lock the door properly.result a dog got out and then went for a walk,where it came upon a neighbours cat and proceeded to throw it in the air in front of a group of screaming kids.result one very dead cat.aye but my mum was charged under the dangeerous dog act.she pleaded guilty by letter and if i remmeber right she was fined 40 or 50 quid.she never fed them again lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Well, well well... R.Docks seemed so convinced that i was wrong (the excessively large text... ) that I have just checked up on this..... and found out that R.Docks is correct and i have been thinking the wrong thing for 20 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cats have been considered as property since the 1971 Animal Welfare act. I am pretty shocked as my local Bobby told me that they weren't property when I was a boy and i have thought that (and acted accordingly... ) ever since! You learn something new every day. Thank you for that. However, the law only covers the actions/intentions of humans and not the actions/intentions of animals. If your dog did kill a cat that got into your garden/land, then as long as you weren't witnessed to instruct or emcourage the dog, the law on cruelty and criminal damage probably doesn't apply. I think... though i am ready to be corrected if need be.... You may be right, BUT, other offences (being the owner of a dog dangerously out of control for example) would apply. The bottom line is that cat owners have the protection of the law, whereas dog owners have to be prepared to prove that they have carried out their 'duty of care'. The law is an ass, but it is still the law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 i remember a good few years ago,i was racing the greyhounds one night,now normally my mother had nothing to do with the dogs,but i asked her when i was away to feed the two dogs left in the kennel.all she had to do was put thier bowls in.which she did but didnt lock the door properly.result a dog got out and then went for a walk,where it came upon a neighbours cat and proceeded to throw it in the air in front of a group of screaming kids.result one very dead cat.aye but my mum was charged under the dangeerous dog act.she pleaded guilty by letter and if i remmeber right she was fined 40 or 50 quid.she never fed them again lol didn't they try and get the dog destroyed if she was charged under the dangerous dogs act? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 i remember a good few years ago,i was racing the greyhounds one night,now normally my mother had nothing to do with the dogs,but i asked her when i was away to feed the two dogs left in the kennel.all she had to do was put thier bowls in.which she did but didnt lock the door properly.result a dog got out and then went for a walk,where it came upon a neighbours cat and proceeded to throw it in the air in front of a group of screaming kids.result one very dead cat.aye but my mum was charged under the dangeerous dog act.she pleaded guilty by letter and if i remmeber right she was fined 40 or 50 quid.she never fed them again lol didn't they try and get the dog destroyed if she was charged under the dangerous dogs act? no that was never an issue.dont know if it was because the neighbours didnt push for it or what.but no it was never mentioned about destroying the dog.it was quite obviously an accident and the daft bloody dog started playing with the kids after it killed the cat.lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rocky1 942 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 it does fall under the act of crimial damage i know first hand of this crime some years ago as was only fcuker that used 2 walk their dogs other lurcher lads would just get them out 2 cat killing under the darkness anyway got arrested and interviewed by police and rspca ,dogs took for i.d parade ,the women pick my dog out aswell her acuse was they all look the same anyway i follewed the police when they took the dog for i.d parade at the owners house ,once the police had drop my dog of i approch owner i told and her do their diggin proberly anyway i know own diggin and found out for myself and made the waste of space turn heself in ,anyway he got a catuion for the crime Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomm Parr 30 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Well, well well... R.Docks seemed so convinced that i was wrong (the excessively large text... ) that I have just checked up on this..... and found out that R.Docks is correct and i have been thinking the wrong thing for 20 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cats have been considered as property since the 1971 Animal Welfare act. I am pretty shocked as my local Bobby told me that they weren't property when I was a boy and i have thought that (and acted accordingly... ) ever since! You learn something new every day. Thank you for that. However, the law only covers the actions/intentions of humans and not the actions/intentions of animals. If your dog did kill a cat that got into your garden/land, then as long as you weren't witnessed to instruct or emcourage the dog, the law on cruelty and criminal damage probably doesn't apply. I think... though i am ready to be corrected if need be.... You may be right, BUT, other offences (being the owner of a dog dangerously out of control for example) would apply. The bottom line is that cat owners have the protection of the law, whereas dog owners have to be prepared to prove that they have carried out their 'duty of care'. The law is an ass, but it is still the law. Yep the law is an ass. Sadly suspicion shall always be levelled at the dog owner first. Mainly because of bad press due to a few idiots who don't control their dogs, tarring us all with the same brush. In all seriousness though, I really can't see how you'd be in trouble (if your dog killed a cat in your yard) if no-one saw you encourage or instruct the dog. However, I imagine you'd have plenty of grief, hoops to dive through and hurdles to leap, before it went away. (Not to mention having your kennels/house inspected by RSPCA... ). We'll have to get someone to test these legion theories out for us, to resolve this qeustion once and for all... :clapping: Cheers to R.Docks, I like a good debate: I'm neither a gloater when correct, nor a stubborn sulker when wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomm Parr 30 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 There are 5 users and 15 guests reading this thread... I reckon the antis are sniffing about? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cold Ethyl 63 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 What if the antis are sniffing the guys stated it wasnt his dog.Ive had one of mine kill a cat the dogs now dead at the time i went to the neighbours door with their cat and they were really understanding.I bought them a new kitten and a box of wine to say sorry cos i have cats and even when i didnt i wouldnt allow any dog to rattle a cat but sometimes it happens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cold Ethyl 63 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 You can and people do get charged with having a dangerous dog if it attacks a cat in public.You can be ordered to pay vets costs and comepnsation and also loose your dog or be ordered to keep it muzzled and on a lead.Then theres a court appearance as well.Its not worth it plus you would need to be really gone in the head to be allowing your dog to deliberately savage cats would you be willing for said cat owner to come in a savage your dog or kill it cos they have a gripe with you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cold Ethyl 63 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Not you personally your clearly in the eyes of the law doing everything possible to prevent an accident im talking about those who would do it deliberately.Running around with the pet ambulance 24/7 for a long time now you see a lot and learn a lot.Mainly because alas i have to deal with all sorts as does my dad.I wouldnt trust my black dogs not to weigh in a cat off lead out doors they didnt know but indoors they live happily with them which is a surprise cos my terrier hated cats only took a week or two to change her mind though.Ive turned loads of cat killing lurchers around to live with cats but not all can be fixed.If your dog is off lead in public and does it your done under the dangerous dogs act there are a few more new laws as well been added to the pot for example your dog only has to scare someone sufficiently and your done dogs dead.This can be a dog on lead attacking your dog and your dog ragging it to within an inch of its life and the other owner being terrified.this is why one of mine wears a muzzle cos folk seem to think its ok despite being warned repeatedly not to allow their dogs to bounce up to him as he seems to find it threatening.He doesnt growl though were as my lass will grumble and brak at their face if they annoy her and tell them off takes a lot for her to loose it and shes chased cats but when they stop she stops its a game to her more than anything else.If someone saw it i could be prosecuted Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tattey 7 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 well cheers lads the copper said he would be back on friday night he hasnt been back after he left my house he went to my mothers house because the woman also said the dogs went for the kids blah blah blah i showd the police my dogs they were laid on foloor getting bellie rubbed they said that was al they wanted to see asked if the where working dogs i said no just because i never wanted them to no and they went think its case closed thansk lads Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SLiP tHe DoG ! 129 Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Dont see how thats going to help you tbh.Id ask the police to get a vet of your choice and your entitled to this btw to look at the cat and give an opinion on what type of dog and strength of the dogs jaw and type.If it comes back greyhound and you have bull xs you prove your point or vice versa.Id go speak to her and explain it that you have witnesses it was not your dog and had it been your dog you would have dealt with it properly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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